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Welcome to Between Two Hires, where we uncover the untold stories of hiring triumphs and tribulations in the world of startup tech companies. We know that an amazing new addition to the team can completely change the trajectory of your company. But get it wrong and it can cripple your growth, be time-consuming and costly, to say the least. So join Tom and his guests to learn how to avoid costly hiring mistakes and propel your business to success!
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The Pro-Noctis Performance Podcast (P3) is the place to be if you are interested in topics such as Mindset, Coaching, Personal Development, Elite Performance, and Leadership Development. Whether you’d like to get better or be better, we are sure the content of our Podcasts will enlighten and inspire you to supercharge your personal development journey. We will be hearing from Olympic Champions, Industry Leaders, and more importantly, ordinary folk like you and I who have an amazing story to ...
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Episode 7 of @Between Two Hires (The Subtle Art of Not F#*cking Up Your Team) is LIVE right now. Join David Cook and Tom Wilkinson as they dive into David's incredible journey with Samsara. Starting as the first SDR manager in 2017, David has seen the company grow from 220 employees to over 3,000 and has played a critical role as a part of the sale…
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Episode 6 of Between Two Hires (The Subtle Art of Not F#*cking Up Your Team) is here! In this episode, Tom Wilkinson is joined by Greg Costigan who has hired over 35 salespeople (BDRs, AEs, Ops, Enablement, and Managers) at companies like Zuora, Zenefits, and Box. Together, they discuss the importance of leadership’s personal brand for recruiting, …
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In episode 5 of Between Two Hires (The Subtle Art of Not F#*ckin Up Your Team), Misha McPherson, a sales enablement expert, and Tom Wilkinson discuss the importance of hiring for sales teams to include the need for a focused hiring process, strong communication between sales and recruiting teams, effective pre-boarding and onboarding, and asking in…
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In episode 4 of Between Two Hires (The Subtle Art of Not F#*ckin Up Your Team), Todd Busler, co-founder of Champify, and Tom Wilkinson discuss hiring and interviewing strategies for scaling SaaS companies, his weirdest interviews, and the importance of aligning on hiring criteria (Looking beyond direct experience, and understanding candidates' inte…
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In episode 3 of Between Two Hires (The Subtle Art of Not F#*ckin Up Your Team), Nellie Aube and Tom Wilkonson discuss Nellie's experience in hiring and managing sales teams, hiring ‘nightmares,’ unconventional interview questions, and advice on hiring for ‘hunger’ over ‘skill.’By Tom Wilkinson, Hirewell
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In episode 2 of Between Two Hires (The Subtle Art of Not F#*ckin Up Your Team), Matt Cameron and Tom Wilkinson talk about Matt’s stories of his best and worst hires, the importance of diversity in reference checking, secret recruiting tactics, unconventional interview questions, and the most important wisdom he wishes he knew earlier in his career.…
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In episode 1 of Between Two Hires (The Subtle Art of Not F#*ckin Up Your Team), Liam Mulcahy and Tom Wilkinson discuss the importance of back channels in hiring, the value of persistence and adaptability in candidates, the need for a structured onboarding process, and the significance of actual performance data from references compared to theoretic…
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Topics Discussed: Peter’s career history, how it relates to what he is doing now, and the reason why he and Phil haven’t spoken in so long. Peter’s youth, the troubles in Ireland when he grew up, and how he developed a love for flying. How Peter’s love for lying led to his pursuit in the military field. The details of Peter’s early military career …
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Topics Discussed: How Andy and Phil met during their time working together in the RAF. The birth of Father_Son_Golf, and how it started as a diary to document Riley’s progress and his golf journey. Andy’s history as a fringe golf player for the RAF, and how he threw his own content onto the Instagram account in the hopes of getting some tips and ad…
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Topics Discussed: Cherie’s racing career and how it influenced her professional career. How Covid affected Cherie’s previous team ‘Vitus Pro Cycling’, and how Covid led to a lack of sponsorship which led to the team having to close down. The psychology behind this decision, and how it affected Cherie emotionally. How, even if Covid hadn't happened,…
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Topics Discussed: Lisa’s diagnosis of epilepsy at the age of 14, and how it was caused by a benign tumour in her brain, which they wouldn’t be able to get out. Lisa’s acceptance of it for the majority of her life although her epilepsy was getting worse. The advice Lisa received from her neurologist to try and get the tumour out, and the shock that …
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Topics Discussed: Amy’s Rugby career up to this point, how she ended up playing for Harlequins and the great culture there is at the club. The funding players receive at Harlequins, and how generally Female Rugby players don’t receive this. Amy’s move to New Zealand when she was young, and how that transition was for her compared to the rest of her…
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Topics Discussed: Brother UK during Covid-19, and Phil Jones approach towards his staff during this difficult period Phil Jones’ rise to becoming the MD at Brother UK, and his humble beginnings Phil Jones aspiration to make Brother UK a compassionate company, and that the staff all feel seen, appreciated and valued The integral role of leadership i…
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Topics Discussed: Greg’s experience during 2020 and the challenges he faced both personally and professionally. The lessons that Greg has taken away from 2020. Greg’s realisation that a lot of people are not living a healthy lifestyle, and his aspirations to address these people and help them live in a healthy way. The socio-economic impact of heal…
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Topics Discussed: Martin’s 10-try game, and how unbelievable it seems to him looking back How creating a legendary moment in sport is what builds a legacy How Martin was always striving to be the best he could be, and how the adversity he faced inspired him to prove people wrong The importance of legacy for Martin, and how he wasn’t happy until he …
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Topics Discussed: Ed’s presence on the previous episode, and his new role as the rolling co-host of the P3 Podcast! The advice Ed would give himself as a youngster if he could; how it’s important not to focus too much on material pursuits and accolades, and focus instead on being happy, humble and good to those around you. The Olympics and sports b…
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Topics Discussed: Geraint’s upbringing in Cardiff and his unlikely fall into cycling, and how his love for it and the people he met is what made him stick with it. The importance of play as a child, how it’s good to hold on to that as an adult, and how Geraint has found this key in having a lengthy, prosperous career. Ed and Geraint’s time living c…
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Topics Discussed: Craig's childhood, his natural adventurousness, and his experience of playing rugby as a young adult. Craig's love for being outdoors and how it brought him to the Marines. Craig's first Marine interview and how he was turned away so he could explore other avenues. What it is like to train to be Marines at such a young age and the…
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Topics Discussed: What Alice's training has looked like during Lockdown. How clubfoot played a role in Alice taking on swimming as a sport early on. Alice's lack of desire to race when she was young. How Alice's career quickly progressed and how her family supported her in her development as a swimmer. Alice's brief break from the sport after Rio, …
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Topics Discussed: Scott's from personal coaching to becoming the Head Coach of the Paracanoe Programme, and the injuries he got that took him down this path. Setting goals and sticking to them can help us overcome the difficulties in our lives. Goal setting can help us a lot at the moment as we deal with Covid. Scott's experience in the Invictus Ga…
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Topics Discussed: Rhodri's upbringing, background, and how he went on to get signed for Manchester United at a young age. If you always have to push yourself to do something and be disciplined with it you should question whether you should be doing it. How sacrifices don’t feel like sacrifices when you are really committed to something. How everyon…
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Topics Discussed: Dan's background and the road he took to eventually becoming Operations Director at Serve On. What it’s like to be an Emergency Rescuer, and what kind of people this job attracts. The positive impact of being an Emergency can have on a person who is unsure of what to do with their life. How Serve On is helping out with the COVID P…
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Topics Discussed: The strangeness of early Lockdown, and how the streets seem so empty. How people in careers such as Phil and Nath are more used to working from home, and how those used to the morning commute must be struggling more. How Lockdown is bringing people closer to their families. The importance of making sure you get time alone. Tactics…
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Topics Discussed: Lockdown and how it has affected work and life for all of us, namely by forcing us to change our routines. The difficulty in resisting temptation during Lockdown. How Lockdown has businesses questioning who is essential and non-essential to the workplace. Discipline is a key attribute to working from home successfully. The lengthy…
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Topic's Discussed: Jazz's training during Lockdown, and how it has helped her mental health during these times. The importance of rest and recovery and listening to your body. Jazz's good and bad experiences with her coaches, and how they helped her in her career. Jazz's young career, and how her family helped her develop and eventually go pro. The…
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Topics Discussed: Lutalo's training regime during Lockdown. The importance of consistency when wanting to excel in what you do. Being honest with yourself regarding your fears in order to maintain a positive attitude. The link between success and maintaining a good relationship and using the team around you. The two T’s, being Technical and being T…
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Topics discussed: Rob's hat trick record. Phil and Rob's 24 year-long friendship and their time as Youth Footballers. Rob's childhood in Zambia and move to Wales at the age of 9. Rob's transition from the Youth Team to the First Team. The mental and physical challenges of being a Pro Footballer. The aspects of Rob's personality which helped him thr…
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