Had enough of the noise? The finger-pointing? The nonstop blame game? Airborne is a political podcast that shares the different perspectives of the American political parties in order to include and engage all. A new issue is discussed in every episode, along with solutions offered from all sides of the political spectrum in order to show the nuance and variety of all kinds of ideas and ideologies so that YOU can decide what's best. First understand, then refute.
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115 - Design System Sources of Truth: Transparency and Collaboration with Dropbox’s Mark Shuster
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It’s all just opinions, man! In this episode of the Design Systems Podcast, Mark Shuster talks about the shift away from enforcing strict guidelines through design systems towards enabling good design and production practices in a more transparent and collaborative way. Chris and Mark discuss different sources of truth within a design system, flexi…
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114 - Design Systems and Ways of Working: Nick Hahn on Collaboration, Adoption, and AI
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This week we are joined by Nick Hahn to explore how designers, engineers, product managers, and entire organizations have changed the way they think about and work with design systems. Nick shares insight from his experiences at IBM, InVision, Meta, and Bill.com to highlight the importance of collaboration, governance, education, and cultural adopt…
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113 - Config 2024: Highlights and Hot Takes with Jina Anne and Adekunle Oduye
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Recording during Config 2024, this bonus episode of The Design Systems Podcast features long-time friends of the Pod, Jina Anne and Adekunle Oduye. They share their fresh takes on the latest Figma keynote, including the buzz around AI-generated designs and the revamped Figma UI. The conversation explores the future of design systems, deeper code in…
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112 - Creating Effective Design Systems for Small and Mid-Size Companies: Apiture’s Journey
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Today’s episode features Ashley Willard and Sarah Kimball (Skim) from Apiture, a smallish fintech company with big enterprise ambitions for its design system. Host Christ Strahl chats with Ashley and Skim about the challenges and opportunities their small team faces trying to navigate the complexities of building a design system that unifies the lo…
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111 - How AI is Revolutionizing Design Systems and Customer Experiences with Dave Calleja
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Chris Strahl welcomes Dave Calleja back to the podcast to discuss the changing nature of design systems, integrating AI into the human creative process, and how to use behavior data for real-time design adaptations. Dave shares his views on the importance of design systems to customer experiences and how modern tools help scale personalized experie…
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110 - The Evolution of ServiceNow's Design System with Meredith Van Lier
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Today on the podcast, we talk to Meredith Van Lier, the director of product management at ServiceNow. Chris and Meredith discuss the unique evolution of ServiceNow's design system and its shift towards a more flexible and user-centric design approach, emphasizing collaboration, automation, and accessibility. Learn about the strategic vision, collab…
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109. Making Design Systems Inclusive with Accessibility Specialist Daniel Henderson-Ede
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Welcome to another episode of The Design Systems Podcast! In honor of Global Accessibility Awareness Day, we're thrilled to have Daniel Henderson-Ede, an accessibility specialist, here to discuss the need for and challenges of making inclusive design experiences for those with disabilities, and how design systems can help. Daniel shares why and how…
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108. U.S. Bank’s Beau Ulrey on Building Trust Through Design Systems
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On this episode of the Design Systems Podcast, we're thrilled to have Beau Ulrey, the Design System Manager at U.S. Bank, join host Chris Strahl live at the Kiln space in Portland. Today’s episode deep dives into the intricate world where design meets development. Beau will share his fascinating journey from a design and photography background to b…
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107. The Evolution of IBM's Carbon Design System with Scott Strubberg
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Join host Chris Strahl as he welcomes our guest Scott Strubberg to the Design Systems Podcast. Scott is a product manager and a key figure behind IBM's Carbon Design System. Today’s conversation unravels the complexities and innovations of integrating brand consistency across digital and physical realms. Chris and Scott explore how feedback and com…
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106. Brad Frost on Adaptable Design Systems
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We sit down with Brad Frost, a leading voice in design systems. Together, we explore the critical intersection between adaptable design systems and brand identities, unveiling the secrets to creating components that not only function seamlessly across platforms but also resonate with diverse brand aesthetics. Listen in as we discuss the layers of a…
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105. Ranjeet Tayi from Informatica: AI-Driven Design
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Informatica's design and AI director, Ranjeet Tayi doing us on the Design Systems Podcast to discuss AI's transformative impact on design systems, elucidating the shift from static products to dynamic, personalized AI-driven experiences. Chris and Ranjeet navigate through the intricacies of AI's influence on crafting hyper-personalized interfaces, …
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104. Shawn Cheris from Adobe: Spectrum 2 Design System and AI’s Role in the Future of Design
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Chris and Shawn explore how design tools shape final products, emphasizing the crucial role of managing elements like forms and tables. Shawn shares insights on uniting Adobe departments for greater cohesion and how Spectrum 2 reflects organizational change. They discuss AI integration in design interfaces, drawing parallels with Apple's iPhone des…
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103. Nate Baldwin from Intuit: Multi-Brand Theming in Complex Organizations
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In this episode of the Design Systems Podcast, we explore the intricate world of theme management in complex design systems at Intuit. Nate Baldwin, Principal Designer at Intuit, shares a revolutionary framework for design tokens, enhancing governance and accessibility. We learn about Figma's role in color swapping and Intuit's theming engine for g…
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102. David Müller: Intentional Breakpoints and AI Insights
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In this episode of the Design Systems Podcast, we invite you to join us as we engage in a conversation with David Müller, a product designer and design systems lead at one of the world’s top financial institutions. Together, we dive deep into the intricate landscape of banking systems, exploring the complexities of equipping problem solvers with th…
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101. PJ Onori of Pinterest/Disney: Design Systems Shifting the Productivity Paradigm
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PJ Onori, a design systems veteran since 2011 and a driving force behind Pinterest's Gestalt system, talks about the transformative impact of design systems on product development, potentially reshaping the job landscape in design and engineering. In this episode, PJ recounts a pivotal experience at Disney, highlighting the delicate balance between…
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100. Brian Dorsey on Design and Engineering Synergy at Mastercard
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Join us for a milestone episode of The Design Systems Podcast, featuring Brian Dorsey, a key contributor to Mastercard's groundbreaking design system MADE. Explore how integrating designers into infrastructure teams has revolutionized collaboration. Discover how Mastercard leverages its design system to drive business forward with insights on acces…
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99. Jackie Lai, Lead UX Designer at OPIS Dow Jones, on Creating Future-Proof Systems
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On this episode of DSP, we welcome guest Jackie Lai, a lead UX designer at OPIS, a Dow Jones company, with a rich background in interactive and product design. Explore Jackie's diverse design journey from web to physical products and the transformation of design tools. Discover the importance of cross-functional collaboration and the perpetual evol…
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98. Exploring Alexandrian Patterns in Design Systems with Kevin Muldoon at Dow Jones
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In this episode of The Design Systems Podcast, we’re joined by guest Kevin Muldoon, Lead Design Technologist/Design Systems at Dow Jones, to discuss the concepts of alexandrian patterns and their application in design systems. We explore the idea of themes as reusable objects to solve specific design problems, discussing the challenges and potentia…
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97. Curt Schreiber, CCO at VSA, on Building Global Design Systems for Scale
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Curt Schreiber, Chief Creative Officer at VSA Partners, joins us for a compelling conversation on the multifaceted nature of design systems. We explore how these intricate frameworks must cater to a diverse array of users and stakeholders, highlighting the need for design systems to personify the organization's character. Curt shares his insights o…
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96. Jina Anne and Adekunle Oduye: Navigating Career Pathways in Design Systems
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Jina Anne and Adekunle Oduye join host Chris Strahl in a candid conversation that explores career pathways within the evolving realm of design systems amidst the latest market conditions. They share valuable insights on how the key to thriving in uncertain times is through understanding the nuanced dance between business language and design practic…
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95. Matt Weinberg, Sr. Product Designer at Angi: Empathy-First Approach to Evolving Design Systems
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In this episode of the Design Systems Podcast, we discuss the evolution of design systems with special guest Matt Weinberg, Senior Product Designer at Angi. Matt has a passion for empathy-driven design solutions and shares his unconventional career path that led him to tackle the challenge of refining and improving the design systems at Angi. He re…
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94. Josh Clark, Founder of Big Medium: Scaling Digital Strategy Within Complex Organizations
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Josh Clark and Chris Strahl dive into an in-depth discussion about navigating the digital landscape amidst economic unpredictability. They discuss the intricacies of building and maintaining design systems in large organizations, addressing the challenges of scaling, and emphasizing the strategic value of digital investments. Josh, an advocate for …
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93. Nathan Curtis, Co-founder of EightShapes: Balancing reuse and customization in UI Design
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Chris Strahl sits with Nathan Curtis as he explores the delicate balance between reusing existing components and creating customized solutions in UI design. They unpack the complexities of design systems, touching on everything from color selection to ensuring functional and aesthetic harmony, providing insights on principled design choices in a wo…
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Ep 92. Lisa Apers Independent Designer and Researcher: Tailoring UIs with brainwaves for personalized user experiences
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Join Chris Strahl as he sits with Lisa Apers, a visionary in UI design, as she presents her innovative research on brainwave-responsive user interfaces. Explore how EEG sensors integrated into UIs can revolutionize our digital experiences, creating interfaces that dynamically adapt to individual cognitive states and daily activities. View the trans…
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91. Designing diversity: Crafting tiered systems for a global market with Tim Banker at Slalom Consulting
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Join Chris Strahl and Tim Banker on an exciting dive into the world of innovative design systems. They explore the creation of tailored solutions for a diverse range of global markets, showcasing how a 'system of systems' approach can meet various needs, from marketing to transactional experiences. Get ready to transcend the one-size-fits-all model…
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90. The innovation triad: Needs, coverage and adoption with Alex Wilson and Jon Reidy at T. Rowe Price
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Join Chris Strahl as he sits with Alex Wilson and Jon Reidy as they discuss their approach to evolving with community demands at T. Rowe Price. Dive into the dynamic process of identifying what drives your customers, crafting solutions that resonate, and ensuring widespread adoption of these innovations. View the transcript of this episode here. Re…
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89. Metrics matter: Harnessing usage data for adoption, coverage, efficiency, and quality with Maya Hampton at REI
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Join Chris Strahl and Maya Hampton as they unpack the power of usage data and its pivotal role in driving adoption, efficiency, and quality. Dive deep, discover the real value of design systems, and see how every component counts! View the transcript of this episode here. Register here for our upcoming webinar, ‘Design System Roadmap & Strategy for…
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88. Beyond isolation: Harmonizing products in a design ecosystem with JJ Rogers at Watermark
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Join Chris Strahl and JJ Rogers, as they explore the challenges and triumphs of harmonizing diverse products at Watermark, highlighting how a harmonized ecosystem elevates user experience and ensures consistent design across all platforms. View the transcript of this episode here. Check out our upcoming events here. Guest JJ Rogers serves as Direct…
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87. Designing success: Crafting principles for passkey adoption with Kevin Goldman and Sierre Wolfkostin at FIDO Alliance
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Join Chris Strahl, Kevin Goldman, and Sierre Wolfkostin as they sit down to explore the Fido Alliance's mission of revolutionizing online authentication by eliminating traditional passwords and replacing them with secure and user-friendly passkeys. Discover how these principles, tested and proven, are set to transform user experiences and incentivi…
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86. From consistency to contribution: How design systems grow trees with Jay Smith at REI
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Chris Strahl sits with Jay Smith as they unravel the secrets of REI's design system consistency. Uncover how their groundbreaking approach to design, colors, and tokens is reshaping standards. With an eco-friendly twist: for every contribution to the system, trees are planted. As the system grows, so does a forest. View the transcript of this episo…
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85. Driving speed and consistency: The power of design systems in startups with Jamie Totten at Klue
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Chris Strahl sits with Jamie Totten from Klue and they unpack the unique challenges and benefits of implementing a design system in a fast-paced startup. Drawing inspiration from Spotify's "guild format", they emphasize the importance of voluntary commitment, maintaining positivity and on making the most with limited resources. View the transcript …
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84. Digital typography: Suggesting, not dictating with Juli Sombat at Spotify and Jason Pamental at Chewy
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Chris Strahl sits with Juli Sombat from Spotify and Jason Pamental from Chewy as they unravel the evolution of digital typography, emphasizing the shift from dictation to suggestion. They explore the dynamic between designers and users and the transformative power of user customization. View the transcript of this episode here. Register here for ou…
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83. Breaking silos and enhancing teamwork in design systems with Tony Pantello and Chris Henke at Accutech
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Chris Strahl sits with Tony Pantello and Chris Henke who tackle the age-old conflict between design and development. They discuss harnessing the power of design systems to streamline collaboration, conquer inefficiency, and unlock the true potential of their teams. View the transcript of this episode here. Register here for our upcoming webinar, ‘W…
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82. Design system revamp: Unpacking Monster's UX odyssey with Billea Breen
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Chris Strahl and Billea Breen explore the essential interaction between design and development to craft a flawless user experience, offering tactics to maintain consistency and enhance workflows. View the transcript of this episode here. Register here for our upcoming webinar, ‘What Really Matters in Design Systems’ on October 25th. Guest Meet Bill…
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81. Embracing change with Mark Reynolds, Design System Consultant: How design and engineering roles are evolving in design systems
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Chris Strahl and Mark Reynolyds navigate the ever-changing world of design systems, exploring the idea that design and engineering roles will become more aligned in the near future. View the transcript of this episode here. Register here for our upcoming webinar, ‘Theming in Complex Ecosystems’ with Donnie D’Amato on August 30th. Guest Mark Reynold…
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80. Bridging Code & Creativity with Kevin Broich at Cisco
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Chris Strahl talks with Kevin Broich about his transition from backend developer to designer at Cisco. Kevin shares insights on creating a crucial CSS-based UI kit for Cisco's major rebranding phase and more. View the transcript of this episode here. Register here for our upcoming webinar, ‘Theming in Complex Ecosystems’ with Donnie D’Amato on Augu…
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79. Inside Pinterest's Gestalt System with Product Designers, Kate Halvorsen and Cintia Romero: A community-centric approach
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Chris Strahl chats with Kate and Cinita on Pinterest's design system, Gestalt. Learn how their team built a system prioritizing documentation, inclusivity and accessibility. A space designed to ensure global and remote activity, encouraging users to easily contribute and communicate effectively. View the transcript of this episode here. Register he…
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78. Bridging the design-code gap at Meta, a multidisciplinary approach with Sriram Ramasubramanian
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Join Chris Strahl as he sits down with Sriram Ramasubramanian from Meta to discuss the intricacies of designing at scale. Dive deep into the world of design systems, Figma plugins, design tokens, and the challenges of interoperability across multiple platforms. View the transcript of this episode here. Register here for our upcoming webinar, ‘Themi…
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77. Robin Cannon, Executive Director and Head of Design System at J.P. Morgan: Creating an environment that encourages and builds trust with design systems
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Chris and Robin discuss creating an environment and ecosystem where people are excited to use design systems; and the importance these systems have when encouraging trust and accountability to assist teams with their work. View the transcript of this episode here. Register here for our upcoming webinar, ‘Theming in Complex Ecosystems’ with Donnie D…
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76. Christophe Coutzoukis Design System Lead: Building Thriving Design System Communities
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Christophe and Chris discuss the art of building thriving design system communities. They share their profound insights and experiences, offering valuable perspectives on fostering vibrant and inclusive communities that flourish with creativity and collaboration. View the transcript of this episode here. Register here for our upcoming webinar, ‘Int…
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75. Adam Sedwick Senior Product Manager: Harnessing the power of design systems to unify your team
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Adam and Chris discuss the power of design systems and their ability to break down barriers between designers and developers. View the transcript of this episode here. Register here for our upcoming webinar, ‘Introducing Knapsack V4: A Powerful Update for a Future-Ready Experience,’ July 26th at 1 pm (ET) and 10 am (PT). Guest Adam Sedwick is a sen…
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74. Richard Banfield, Advisor & Recovering CEO: What does iterative work look like in design systems?
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Richard and Chris discuss iterative work and how integral thinking by doing is when progressing work forward. View the transcript of this episode here. Register here for our upcoming webinar, ‘AI in Design Systems’ on June 28th, 1 pm (ET) and 10 am (PT). Guest Professionally, I express myself through creating new products and businesses, both for m…
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73. Sheryl Cababa Chief Strategy Officer at Substantial: Using system thinking to make informed decisions
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Sheryl and Chris discuss the complexities of the design system space as it involves human behaviours. View the transcript of this episode here. Register here for our upcoming webinar, ‘AI in Design Systems’ on June 28th, 1 pm (ET) and 10 am (PT). Guest Sheryl Cababa is the author of Closing the Loop: Systems Thinking for Designers. She's a design r…
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72. Danielle MacDonald Creative Head, Digital Product Design: Designing to scale
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Danielle and Chris discuss the impact designing at scale will have on ROI. View the transcript of this episode here. Register here for our upcoming webinar, ‘AI in Design Systems’ on June 28th, 1 pm (ET) and 10 am (PT). Guest Danielle MacDonald is a design leader and self-proclaimed design systems geek, with over 15 years of experience in managing …
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71. Chris Deluca Senior Front-End Developer: People are the heart of design systems
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Chris Deluca and Chris discuss the significance of prioritizing people in the process of developing design systems. They explore a central question that consistently arises: Whose lives are you striving to enrich and simplify? View the transcript of this episode here. Guests Chris DeLuca is a senior front end web developer from New Jersey with thir…
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70. Pinata's Kendall Totten interviews Knapsack CEO Chris Strahl: Design with code and AI
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Kendall and Chris discuss how design systems represent the strategic platform for how a company creates product. View the transcript of this episode here. Register for our upcoming ‘Design Systems Buying Guide’ webinar on May 24th, 2 pm (EST), hosted by Chris Strahl and Dan Mall. Guest Kendall Totten began as a graphic designer & frontend web dev a…
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69. The single source of truth mentality: Meta Part Two
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A round table discussion hosted by Chris and Andrew from Knapsack with the Meta Blueprint team, part two. View the transcript of this episode here. Guests Christopher Clare - Director of Product Design Chris Clare is the Head of Foundation Design for FB App responsible for unifying the app through the Blueprint Design System, driving efficiency for…
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68. Driving Consistency Across Systems with Meta Part One
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A round table discussion hosted by Chris and Andrew from Knapsack with the Meta Blueprint team (part one). View the transcript of this episode here. Guests Christopher Clare - Director of Product Design Chris Clare is the Head of Foundation Design for FB App responsible for unifying the app through the Blueprint Design System, driving efficiency fo…
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67. Design Token Takes Part Two: Kaelig Deloumeau-Prigent and Darren Simons
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Kaelig, Darren, and Chris talk tokens and code: “Using a whole different type of brain.” View the transcript of this episode here. Want to hear more? Register for Knapsack’s upcoming talking tokens webinar here. Guests Kaelig Deloumeau-Prigent, Principal Software Engineer at Netlify Founder of the Design Tokens W3C Community Group, providing open s…
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66. Design Token Takes Part One: Amber Stickel and Taylor Cashdan
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Amber, Taylor, and Chris talk tokens; the pros and cons. View the transcript of this episode here. Guests Amber Stickel, Principal Design Technologist at Intuit Front-end designer and developer with a passion for creating modular, reusable, and flexible interfaces and systems. With multidisciplinary knowledge and tools in hand, I’m hoping to improv…
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