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Christopher and Maggie are spiritual directors that like talking about spiritual things. Spiritual direction is a listening ministry that creates a sacred space for you to listen to God, see where God is at work in your life, and grow in awareness of who you were created to be. We would love to hear from you! Email Christopher and Maggie at SDTASinfo@gmail.com. Check out their ministries: Christopher: SteppingStonesLife.com and Maggie: RavachMinistries.org.
 
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In this episode, Christopher and Maggie talk to Dr. Obery M. Hendricks about his book Christians Against Christianity: How Right-Wing Evangelicals Are Destroying Our Nation and Our Faith. This conversation was wide-ranging. We talked about everything from what Jesus said is the root of the gospel, abortion, gun rights, and Donald Trump and the Janu…
 
In this episode, Christopher and Maggie talk with Victoria Loorz about the Wild Church movement and her new book Church of the Wild: How Nature Invites us Into the Sacred. We talk about how in the Bible, whenever God wanted to speak to people, he often called them out into the wilderness. We also discuss what a wild church is like and how you can g…
 
In this episode, I speak with one of my favorite authors, speakers, and thinkers-Brian McLaren. Brian D. McLaren is an author, speaker, activist, and public theologian. A former college English teacher and pastor, he is a passionate advocate for “a new kind of Christianity” – just, generous, and working with people of all faiths for the common good…
 
In this episode, Co-host, Ashley Robbins, and I talk to Macey Berry about her experience growing up in purity culture and the devastating impact it had on her life. You can connect with Macey on Facebook. Macey mentions the Your Favorite Heretics Facebook group during this conversation. This group was started by our friends, Derek and Rachel Myers.…
 
In this episode, Maggie has a conversation with Rick Wilkerson and Desi Raines of the Agreed Podcast. Maggie, Rick, and Desi cover tons of ground in this episode, hence the name: Every possible topic ever! We hope you enjoy this conversation. Christopher and Maggie are spiritual directors that like talking about spiritual things. Spiritual directio…
 
In this episode, Christopher and Maggie talk with Kellie Keylon about being an ally for the transgender community. Kellie talks with us about her journey of embracing her identity as a transgender woman and finding acceptance in the church. Christopher and Maggie are spiritual directors that like talking about spiritual things. Spiritual direction …
 
In this episode, Christopher and Maggie talk to Abigail Davis. In this conversation, we talk about finding the beauty in other world religions. In Christianity, we are often taught that the only reason to learn about other religions is to be able to refute them and convert their adherants to Christianity. But there is so much beauty and so many imp…
 
In this episode, I'm joined by my friend James Early. James is a Bible teacher, speaker, blogger, and podcaster. He grew up in Amarillo, TX, and received his BA from Vanderbilt University. He gives talks and conducts workshops on the Bible covering a wide range of topics to churches and groups as well as online. Since October 2008, James has conduc…
 
My good friend, Karl Forehand, had a stroke in January 2022. A month later, he and his wife, Laura, joined me for a conversation about the stroke, Karl's recovery, ongoing therapy, hopes for the future, and Karl's first ever fiction book which is releasing March 22, 2022. If you are able, please help Karl and Laura as they navigate this difficult s…
 
I'm joined on this episode by two of our favorite apostates, Matthew J. Distefano and Keith Giles. We discuss the recent criticism of deconstruction by many within evangelicalism. Are any of their criticisms fair? How should we respond when we feel unfairly attacked? Matthew J. Distefano is an author, podcaster, and Patheos columnist. His latest bo…
 
In this episode, Christopher and Maggie talk to Todd Vick, the author of The Reconstructing of Your Mind, and The Renewing of Your Mind. Todd also has a podcast called The Reconstruction Rebel. We talk to Todd about deconstruction and reconstruction, what it means, and why it is an important part of the faith journey. Christopher and Maggie are spi…
 
In this episode co-hosted by Ashley Robbins, we discuss the hurt caused by toxic church institutions and a possible way forward taking the best of church community but leaving behind the many destructive aspects that have wounded so many. Ashley Robbins is an ex evangelical trying her best to honor real gospel. She is a purity culture insurgent. Sh…
 
In this episode, Christopher and Maggie talk with Susanna Muntz about indigenization of theology. What do the teachings of Jesus look like in specific cultures, times, and geographies? How can we let theology grow out of the soil and people of a place instead of mass-producing a Christianity and exporting it everywhere? These are topics we discuss …
 
In this conversation, we speak with activist and former pastor Joshua Lawson about his compelling work with people who struggle with substance use disorder. We dive into the roots of addiction, the hidden cost of the "war on drugs" and how each of us can make a difference in this fight. Joshua's excellent book, The Face of Addiction, is available h…
 
In this episode, Christopher and Maggie sit down with Ashley Robbins and hear about her fundamentalist upbringing and how she broke free from that. We discuss religious trauma, purity culture, and Ashley's more expansive view of God. Warning: we get into some heavy stuff, so we just wanted to let you know if you have little ears around. Christopher…
 
We're kicking off season three today with a special introduction by our friend, Ashley Robbins! My guest this week is prolific author and podcaster, Keith Giles! In this conversation, we discuss our cultural addiction to violence and what we can do to break the cycle of violence in our context. Keith's latest book is Jesus Unarmed: How the Prince o…
 
In this episode, Christopher sits down with two of his friends, Jason Elam and Derek Myers, to talk parenting, specifically being a dad, through deconstruction. How do we teach our children about our faith while our own beliefs are constanting changing? How do our discipline techniques change? We talk about these questions and many others in this e…
 
In this conversation, I talk to my friend, Todd Vick, about his continuing spiritual journey and how we set about reconstructing our mind after deconstruction. Todd Vick is an author, podcaster, and former pastor. His latest book is entitled "The Reconstructing of Your Mind" and it was published by Quoir. You can connect with Todd on Facebook, Twit…
 
This is a continuation of the conversation from Episode 28. In this episode, Christopher and Maggie sit down with Chrystal Brown, Chris Battle, and Mary Terry. Their bios are below. We discuss Chrystal's and Chris's experiences being Black in America and in the church, in particular. This is the second part of a two-part conversation. We also recor…
 
In this episode, Christopher and Maggie sit down with Chrystal Brown, Chris Battle, and Mary Terry. Their bios are below. We discuss Chrystal's and Chris's experiences being Black in America and in the church, in particular. We cover alot of ground in this episode, so this is the first part of a two-part conversation. We also recorded this video, s…
 
Recently, I had a beautiful and life giving conversation with my friend, Joe Machuta. In this conversation, we discuss Joe’s eclectic spiritual journey as well as his stubborn love for Jesus. It really is worth an hour of your time and I sincerely hope you will check it out! I know that this conversation will stretch many of us theologically, but t…
 
In this episode, Christopher and Maggie talk to Jason Elam, who hosts a podcast called Messy Spirituality, and is an author and good friend of Christopher's. We discuss Jason's faith journey, deconstruction, why the church is so opposed to (actually afraid of) deconstruction, and what is faith? We hope you enjoy the episode. Christopher and Maggie …
 
In this episode, Christopher and Maggie talked with two of Christopher's long-time friends, Jan and Ernest Taylor, about their experience walking the Camino de Santiago across Spain. Christopher and Maggie are spiritual directors that like talking about spiritual things. Spiritual direction is a listening ministry that creates a sacred space for yo…
 
In this episode, Christopher and Maggie discuss talk to Kevin Baldesare about his faith journey, how his faith is so important in his life, and a bit about what his life is like as a gay Christian. Christopher and Maggie are spiritual directors that like talking about spiritual things. Spiritual direction is a listening ministry that creates a sacr…
 
Welcome back to Season 2 of Spiritual Directors Talking About Stuff. We're so glad you're here! We have so many great episodes lined up for you. Today, we have Dr. Thomas J. Oord who will talk to us about open and relational theology and the uncontrolling love of God. This conversation was so live-giving and brings so much hope to a world where we …
 
In this brand new episode, I talk to my good friends, Jon and Nat Turney, about God, church, spiritual evolution, and their new podcast, This is Not Church. This is a fun conversation that I think you're really going to enjoy so be sure to check it out. Don't miss Jon and Nat's podcast, This is Not Church. You can follow Jon and Nat and their podca…
 
In this episode, Christopher and Maggie speak to Sara Martin who describes herself as an exvangelical. In this episode, Sara describes her faith journey that led her down the path of deconstructing her evangelical upbringing to where she is now. This is our final episode of Season 1. We hope you enjoy it and will return with us in the Fall for Seas…
 
We're back! I really missed podcasting so my retirement was short-lived. In this brand new episode, we talk to author Karl Forehand about making the transition from "doing" to "being" and from "reacting" to "responding". I'll be joining the conversation over on Karl and Laura's podcast, The Desert Sanctuary, on a monthly basis starting this month. …
 
In this episode, Christopher and Maggie speak to Jenn McMillian. Jenn is the family ministry director at Buckhead Church (https://buckheadchurch.org/) in Atlanta, Georgia. We talk about Jenn’s journey as a woman in ministry. Christopher and Maggie are spiritual directors that like talking about spiritual things. Spiritual direction is a listening m…
 
In this brief uncut message, Jason talks about the myth of safety and how to look for signs of health in our relationships and communities. Books referenced in this episode: "Being: A Journey Toward Presence and Authenticity" by Karl Forehand "Before You Lose Your Mind: Deconstructing Bad Theology in the Church" edited by Keith Giles Check out the …
 
In this episode, Christopher and Maggie discuss Marcus Borg's book Reading the Bible Again for the First Time: Taking the Bible Seriously, but Not Literally. Christopher and Maggie are spiritual directors that like talking about spiritual things. Spiritual direction is a listening ministry that creates a sacred space for you to listen to God, see w…
 
In this episode, Christopher and Maggie discuss Marcus Borg's book Reading the Bible Again for the First Time: Taking the Bible Seriously, but Not Literally. Christopher and Maggie are spiritual directors that like talking about spiritual things. Spiritual direction is a listening ministry that creates a sacred space for you to listen to God, see w…
 
In this episode, Christopher and Maggie speak to Jacob Theunisz about the clergy and laity divide within the church. Jacob tells us about the original Greek words and what they meant, how the writers of the New Testament meant for them to play out in the church, and how the system the church eventually built up around clergy may be harmful to the s…
 
In this finale episode, I ask bestselling author Keith Giles some of the questions that I've heard most often from folks who are deconstructing. Why did Jesus have to die? What happened on the cross? What do I do with the resurrection? Where did this monster version of God come from? What does it mean to be born again? And many other questions. Nea…
 
In this episode, we talk about spiral dynamics. What is it? How does it help frame spirituality and evolution of consciousness? We discuss the stages of the spiral, their characteristics, and how we see this playing out in the world. Christopher and Maggie are spiritual directors that like talking about spiritual things. Spiritual direction is a li…
 
In this episode, Christopher and Maggie talk to Karl Forehand. Karl is a former pastor, author of 2 (soon to be 3) books, and podcast host of The Desert Sanctuary Podcast. We talk about "being who you are, and being where you are," as Karl says. We also talk about focusing and shadow work. Christopher was recently a guest on Karl's podcast episode …
 
In this episode, we speak with author Anita Grace Brown about how her practice of yoga has deepened her connection with Jesus and the world around her. Anita helps prepare hearts and minds for a loving relationship with Mother/Father/God/Creator by facilitating practices like yoga, prayerful meditation, and chants. Her strength in moving toward hum…
 
In this episode, Maggie and Christopher wrap up talking about the Enneagram. We talk about how the enneagram can be used for transformation, offer some next steps, and dive a little deeper into a different approach to the enneagram. Christopher and Maggie are spiritual directors that like talking about spiritual things. Spiritual direction is a lis…
 
In this episode, I talk to two of my favorite voices on social media, Derek and Rachel Myers from "Your Favorite Heretics". We have an open and heartfelt conversation about walking away from toxic faith and finding healing. To engage more with Rachel, Derek, and their work, you can follow Your Favorite Heretics on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and …
 
We kick off season two with a beautiful conversation with author, speaker, and podcaster Jonathan Puddle. Jonathan Puddle is an award-winning writer, speaker, husband and father who hosts the popular interview show, The Puddcast. Having traveled the world and lived in many nations, Jonathan teaches from a culturally rich & spiritually inclusive fra…
 
In this episode, Maggie and Christopher continue talking about the Enneagram. We talk about the feelings (2, 3, & 4) and the head (5, 6, & 7) triads. Christopher and Maggie are spiritual directors that like talking about spiritual things. Spiritual direction is a listening ministry that creates a sacred space for you to listen to God, see where God…
 
In this episode, Maggie and Christopher begin talking about the Enneagram. We talk about its history, the triads, and the gut center. Stay tuned for Part 2 of the enneagram in two weeks. Christopher and Maggie are spiritual directors that like talking about spiritual things. Spiritual direction is a listening ministry that creates a sacred space fo…
 
Christopher and Maggie are spiritual directors that like talking about spiritual things. Spiritual direction is a listening ministry that creates a sacred space for you to listen to God, see where God is at work in your life, and grow in awareness of who you were created to be. We would love to hear from you! Email Christopher and Maggie at SDTASin…
 
Christopher and Maggie are spiritual directors that like talking about spiritual things. Spiritual direction is a listening ministry that creates a sacred space for you to listen to God, see where God is at work in your life, and grow in awareness of who you were created to be. We would love to hear from you! Email Christopher and Maggie at SDTASin…
 
Christopher and Maggie are spiritual directors that like talking about spiritual things. Spiritual direction is a listening ministry that creates a sacred space for you to listen to God, see where God is at work in your life, and grow in awareness of who you were created to be. We would love to hear from you! Email Christopher and Maggie at SDTASin…
 
My guest for this "Messy Conversations" BONUS episode is Matthew J. Distefano. Matthew is a brilliant writer, theologian, musician, podcaster, social worker, and Patheos contributor. He is one of four co-hosts of the insanely popular Heretic Happy Hour podcast and also hosts a solo podcast called "Apostates Anonymous". He is the author of the Amazo…
 
Christopher and Maggie are spiritual directors that like talking about spiritual things. Spiritual direction is a listening ministry that creates a sacred space for you to listen to God, see where God is at work in your life, and grow in awareness of who you were created to be. We would love to hear from you! Email Christopher and Maggie at SDTASin…
 
In this episode, we welcome our good friends, Karl and Laura Forehand, as we explore practical ways to keep our peace in chaotic times. This conversation was real and raw and I think you'll really enjoy it. Laura Forehand is an educator, author, podcaster, mom, grandmother, and so much more. Her podcast is "The Whole Brain Teaching Podcast".Karl Fo…
 
In this heartfelt and moving conversation, author Keith Giles and I discuss his transition from holding a view of eternal conscious torment (burning forever in hell) to annihilationism and then to his current view of patristic universalism. We also discuss common objections to ultimate redemption. Keith is one of four co-hosts of the insanely popul…
 
Christopher and Maggie are spiritual directors that like talking about spiritual things. Spiritual direction is a listening ministry that creates a sacred space for you to listen to God, see where God is at work in your life, and grow in awareness of who you were created to be. We would love to hear from you! Email Christopher and Maggie at SDTASin…
 
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