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As CEO of JW Financial Group, Jason Waters takes his 20 years of expertise as a certified financial planner to help you navigate the ways to grow your business. On Cash Flow, Jason sits with CEO's, entrepreneurs, and CFO's to discuss their business, industry trends, and tips for cash flow management.
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Rock That Doesn’t Roll looks at how Christian music shaped the world we're living in now by telling individual stories from the peak era of the contemporary Christian music industry. In the 80s, 90s and early 2000s CCM grew into a billion dollar business that affected millions of evangelical young people. Through interviews with artists, industry players and average fans we trace the long-lasting personal, cultural and political impact of sometimes cringe-worthy music. Expect hilarious momen ...
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Jeremy is joined this week by fellow Family Therapy Training Institute alum Katie O’Connor. Katie is a Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist. Registered Art Therapist, and Certified Perinatal Mental Health Clinician. We talk about her journey into those specialty areas and the importance of finding the right therapeutic approach for each individual.…
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Picture this. It's 1986. The Cold War is at a fever pitch. The whole world is locked into a conflict between the Forces of Freedom, and the Commies... at least that's how it felt to 80s kids. But the Cold War wasn't the only threat facing American society. Many feared that a much more sinister enemy lurking in the shadows: the devil himself. During…
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Throw up the horns as Jeremy interviews standup comedian Luke Severeid this week. Luke has been on the road with “Stand Up that’s Metal AF” cracking jokes about metalheads, the perils of being a bald white guy, and his ADHD diagnosis. Jeremy and Luke talk about neurodivergence, the mental health benefits of metal music, and the importance of findin…
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Jeremy is joined this week by the incredibly insightful Dani Falesnik. Jeremy and Dani discuss the importance of understanding neurodivergence in educational and therapeutic settings, emphasizing that traditional systems often fail to accommodate these differences. They highlight the need for more individualized approaches that consider each person…
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How do you make fake Contemporary Christian Music? Creating fictional Christian music that feels authentic without crossing the line into parody or pastiche is a tricky artistic challenge. But we found the creators up to the task. Joseph Stephens, composer for HBO's The Righteous Gemstones, a crime-comedy about a family of musical televangelists, a…
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First nuclear engineer we’ve had on as a guest! This week Jeremy is joined by the incisive Cynane Shay! Cynane discusses her journey through a rigid, evangelical upbringing and how it shaped her worldview, and how QAnon led to a deconstruction of her beliefs. She explores the influence of Christian nationalism and the prevalence of conspiracy theor…
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This week Jeremy is joined by clinical social worker and co-founder of the Reclamation Collective Kayla Felten. Kayla talks about her journey through deconstruction and starting the Collective, and She emphasizes the importance of non-clinical interventions and community care for individuals dealing with religious trauma and spiritual abuse. The Re…
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KUOW's podcast Let The Kids Dance! is the story of Seattle's Teen Dance Ordinance in a seven-part docuseries chronicling an untold chapter of pop-culture history. It’s a story about moral panic, grassroots activism and an unstoppable music community that fought for its freedom, created and hosted by Jonathan Zwickel. The TDO made it impossible for …
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Jeremy is joined this week by journalist Chrissy Stroop to look at the manufactured moral panic targeting trans people. Jeremy and Chrissy discuss her personal experiences with religious trauma, the intertwining of evangelical Christianity with right-wing politics, and the predictable pattern of moral panics. Chrissy highlights the long-term strate…
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Jeremy is joined this week by therapist and end-of-life doula Kathleen Mack. Kathleen describes her lifelong curiosity about people's minds and experiences, stemming from her own mental health struggles and early fascination with human behavior. Kathleen shares how her father’s death influenced her and led her to pursue training as a death doula, w…
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What happened to the kids raised during the peak era of Christian rock? For insight into the state of Christian rock's late 1990s-early aughts evangelicalism you need not look any further than members of DC Talk, the pinnacle of youth group music. Their trajectory as artists and public figures roughly maps on to the trajectories of the millions of …
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Jeremy is joined this week by fellow licensed Marriage & Family Therapist and Sex Therapist, Caitlin Weber. Caitlin Weber discusses her journey into the mental health field and her path to becoming a systems-oriented therapist with a focus on sex therapy. Jeremy and Caitlin discuss the pervasive influence of religious norms on cultural attitudes to…
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Jeremy is joined this week by the dynamic duo of Naoko Ellis & Derek Gladwin from the University of British Columbia where they founded the Systems Beings Lab, a collaborative research collective that tackles the complexity of modern issues. In this episode, Derek and Naoko discuss emerging collaborative spaces in academia to address the climate em…
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Purity culture wasn’t just for youth group “purity girls.” “Purity bros” were also a part of the project! No one knows that more than Joshua Harris, a CCM fan who helped turn purity culture into an extreme sport. Together with his friend, Christian music superstar Rebecca St. James, they created media that inspired a generation of evangelicals to s…
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Our first prescriber on the show! Jeremy is joined this week by Psychiatric Mental Health Nurse Practitioner Rachel Jones, owner of Cup of Tea Psychiatry. Jeremy and Rachel talk about her winding path through nursing school and into the psychiatric side of the field, how the for-profit medical model creates an unhealthy environment for both patient…
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Jeremy is joined this week by artist and mental health advocate Jenna Knapp. Jenna is an artist in residence with the labyrinth at the Lynden Sculpture Garden on the north side of Milwaukee. Jeremy and Jenna talk about her mental health journey prior to creating the labyrinth, how and why labyrinths can be so helpful to mental health, and the commu…
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In 2001, teen singing sensation Nikki Leonti was on her way to a promising Christian music career. She had two hit CCM records, and - as a pop princess who swore to refrain from premarital sex - the support of big evangelical media organizations like James Dobson’s Focus on the Family. But then, at age 18, the “purity girl” Leonti announced she was…
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A blast from the past! Jeremy is joined this week by Rachel Beam, owner of Understand You, LLC. Jeremy and Rachel were in the same cohort at Marquette University way back in the day, and Rachel shares her journey in the field up to now opening her own practice. Jeremy and Rachel discuss some of their memories of what grad school did and did not pre…
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Jeremy is joined this week by the fabulous Emily Vander Velden for a great chat. Emily talks about specializing in EMDR to work with trauma, how being a parent is a juggling act with being a therapist, and shares about getting her recent ADHD diagnosis. Jeremy and Emily talk about self-care, and how holding space for others is such a powerful exper…
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In the 1990s, music critics argue that hip hop was in its golden age. Mainstream Top 40 charts were filled with hits from The Notorious B.I.G, Tupac Shakur, and Dr. Dre. But the Contemporary Christian charts lagged far, far behind. What took so long for holy hip hop to take off? With insight from Dr. Jonathan Calvillo (author of In the Time of Sky-…
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Jeremy is joined this week by Alyssa Zajdel to jump into the world of sports psychology and performance. Jeremy and Alyssa talk about different sports requiring different mindsets, the difference in support that elite athletes can get from club or high school sports, and how it was not fun for student athletes or mental health professionals when CO…
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Jeremy is joined this week by the incredibly insightful Alita Taylor. Jeremy and Alita talk about the shortcomings of the medical model, the secondary trauma of working in a failing system, and Alita shares her expertise about Open Dialogue, a practical and philosophical approach to navigating mental health crises. We also chat about Finnish metal …
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In 1999, ​singer-songwriter Jennifer Knapp was at the top of the Christian music world. Her debut album Kansas was gold-certified, she'd won four Gospel Music Association Dove Awards, and she was on tour with some of the top bands in the business. It seemed like Knapp was destined to be the ultimate ​rockstar poster child for evangelical teens - es…
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Jeremy is joined this week by author, activist, and poet Mark Green to talk about his new book Round We Dance. Jeremy and Mark talk about the need for a book on how to do rituals, why ritual is so important to the human psyche, and how to approach ritual outside of an organized religious setting. It’s a wide-ranging chat that covers a lot, and the …
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In the second season of Rock That Doesn't Roll, hosts Dr. Leah Payne and Andrew Gill look at how Christian music shaped the world we're living in now. Topics covered in season two include hip hop, feminism, purity culture, hair metal and more. Episodes publish every other week starting on April 24. Do you have a Christian rock story to tell? Leave …
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Jeremy is joined for a fascinating conversation by Kelsey Philippi from ERA Wellness. Kelsey shares her journey of becoming a therapist from a background in biology and research before eventually landing in the mental health field, how couples and families exist as their own ecosystems, and how nature helps us to ground, center, and heal. To learn …
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This week Jeremy is joined by the ultra-talented Lane Moore. Lane is a comedian, actor, author, and musician. Moore is the creator of the hit comedy show Tinder Live, bestselling author of How To Be Alone and You Will Find Your People, the frontperson in the band It Was Romance, and host of the podcast I Thought It Was Just Me on Patreon. Jeremy an…
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Jeremy gets the chance to sit down with the delightful Kit Weathers for a neurodivergent chat. We talk about Kit’s journey from pastor’s kid, to missionary, to deconstructing and becoming a sex therapist and religious trauma recovery coach, with some mental health diagnoses sprinkled in. Kit and Jeremy talk about finding the good parts of church ou…
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Jeremy is joined this week by Elise Birch for an open, authentic chat. Elise shares their unique journey into the mental health field, and the niche areas they focus their practice working with. Jeremy and Elise explore the complexities of art therapy, highlighting its benefits in processing trauma and expressing emotions, even in telehealth settin…
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Jeremy is joined this week for a great chat by Dr Gabby Miniscalco. During our talk Dr Gabby shares some insights into the immigrant experience and the pressures of conforming to American culture while grappling with her Polish identity, feeling caught in between worlds but not belonging in either. The conversation delves into the trauma and grief …
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Jeremy is joined this week by the authentic and genuine Becca Ferguson. Becca and Jeremy talk about growing up in conservative households that didn’t talk about mental health, Becca’s horror stories with her own therapy, and getting to a place where she now helps other therapists build the practice of their dreams. It’s a fun chat that covers a lot…
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In this bonus episode, Andrew and Leah talk with Lars Gotrich of NPR Music, the producer who brought Amy Grant to play a Tiny Desk Concert. Lars shares how he went from "judgy Christian punk rocker" to someone good at existing in two worlds at once. To hear the full interview, join our Patreon at https://www.patreon.com/rtdr Find Lars’ playlists an…
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Jeremy is joined this week by the incredibly insightful David Hayden. Jeremy and David talk about growing up with the desire to help others from an early age, the various chapters of growth therapists go through with their clients, and David’s winding path with different modalities that allow for deeper healing with clients. You can learn more abou…
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What happens when one of the country’s most outspoken critics of white male Christian political conservatism sits down with a well-known white male conservative Christian political pundit? Find out, as Kristin Du Mez and David French discuss politics, culture, and the desperate need for hospitality in the digital age on No Small Endeavor with Lee C…
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Jeremy is joined this week by Dr Christine Henry for an authentic conversation about the many facets of Neurodivergence. Jeremy and Christine talk about getting diagnosed later in life while already working in the field, the intersections of being a mental health professional while advocating as a parent, and how Autism and ADHD have a lot of diagn…
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Jeremy is joined this week all the way from North Carolina by the delightful Michelle Moseley. Jeremy and Michelle discuss their own experiences with religious trauma, and the intersection of religion, patriarchy, and capitalism in the workplace. They also touch on issues such as body image concerns and the challenges of reconnecting mind and body …
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Jeremy is joined this week by the fabulous Amber Kerby. Jeremy and Amber talk about plain ol’ ordinary therapy, and how and why we as professionals expand our approaches once we’ve spent more time in the field. Nonordinary therapies Jeremy and Amber discuss are Ketamine Assisted Therapy, Internal Family Systems, and Psychedelic Integration, along w…
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It’s the Wellness with Jenn and Jer episode! Jeremy has the serendipitous chance to sit down with Jenn Sowers for this episode. They talk about what nature informed therapy is and how it helps, the importance of community while working in the mental health field, and ways to reconnect to the natural world in our tech-driven go-go-go society. To lea…
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Jeremy gets the chance to sit down with religious recovery consultant Janice Selbie this week. Janice is a Registered Professional Counselor and is the founder of the Conference on Religious Trauma (CORT), the host of the Divorcing Religion podcast, and runs the Shameless Sexuality workshop series. Janice and Jeremy talk about how leaving fundament…
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In this bonus episode Leah and Andrew interview Jim Cooper, the composer who wrote and recorded the original score for Rock That Doesn't Roll. He talks about growing up in the DC area, getting obsessed with Fugazi and Dischord Records, then throwing away all his secular music. The full hour-long interview is at our Patreon. The conversation goes on…
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This week Jeremy is joined for a wide-ranging chat by the incredibly insightful Emily Lapolice. Jeremy and Emily talk about trauma informed yoga and the Trauma Center Trauma Sensitive Yoga program where she is a mentor, facilitator, and trainer. We talk about intergenerational trauma, religious trauma, and decolonizing mental health spaces. We also…
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Jeremy is joined this week by fellow LMFT Mahrs Schoppman. Jeremy and Mahrs talk about some of the intersectionalities of queerness and religious trauma, why group therapy can be such a powerful tool for healing, and why churches don’t want you to be comfortable in your own skin. For more info about Mahrs’s practice, you can head over to therapywit…
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Jeremy is joined this week by fellow nerdy therapist Greg Schoeneck. Greg and Jeremy talk about walk-and-talk therapy and how it helps with trauma, therapeutic tabletop role playing games (like D&D), and how therapy can look different from the sterile, medical model and meet more people where they’re at in their authentic lives. You can learn more …
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Jeremy is joined this week by founder of the Secular Therapy Project, Dr. Darrel Ray. Jeremy and Darrel talk about the need for secular therapy, how religious groups have changed their approach to therapy over the years, and why activism is so needed to create safe, secular spaces. Dr. Ray talks about some of his previous research on sex and secula…
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‘Tis the season for holiday specials and Andrew Gill (producer, Sound Opinions) and Leah Payne (author, God Gave Rock and Roll to You) of Rock that Doesn’t Roll are bringing you a surprise holiday gift: weirdly specific awards for Contemporary Christian Music Christmas tunes! So come on, ring those bells, grab your Christmas shoes, and get ready to…
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Jeremy is joined this week by author, poet and cryptonaturalist Jarod K Anderson. Jeremy and Jarod talk about the stigmas that still exist today around mental health, Jarod’s journey reconnecting to nature, and how we can connect with the magic of the natural world. Jarod shares some poetry, and talks about his upcoming book Something in the Woods …
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This week Jeremy is joined by the theology therapist, Hannah Brents! Hannah and Jeremy talk about the false dichotomy of religious or atheist, how the deconstruction process looks different the longer you’ve been out of organized religion, and how to build community after leaving the church. Hannah has a great course we talk about, check that out h…
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For 1990s and early aughts youth group alumni, Christian rock is often the source of embarrassment or shame - but does it have to be that way? The season finale of Rock That Doesn't Roll explores the idea that maybe, just maybe, the key to getting over angst about Christian rock isn't rejecting it or avoiding it, but coming to peace with the person…
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Special guest episode! This week Jeremy is joined by one of the co-hosts of the Friendly Atheist Podcast, Jessica Bluemke! Jessica works with the Hanson Center to provide therapeutic horseback riding and related services. Jessica and Jeremy talk about how riding can be so helpful to those with disabilities, how riding a horse mirrors some aspects o…
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Jeremy is joined this week for a fun ADHD conversation by Laura Skinner. Jeremy and Laura talk about trauma and using ketamine to help treatment, how grad school does not prepare therapists for the amount of trauma we see regularly, and how being neurodivergent can show up in the therapy room. To find more from Laura, you can check out her practice…
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