This podcast gives the listener an opportunity to hear conversations with people from the field of systemic psychotherapy. Host Sezer and Julie, two systemic and family psychotherapists, discuss a wide range of topics, theories, practices and experiences with their guests, giving the listener an insight into this disciplines contribution to social change. Artwork by Arai Drake Creative: http://www.araidrake.com/portfolio/thesystemicway/Music by Rena Paid We are now being supported by the Ass ...
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Addressing Race Based Trauma! With Dr. Jamila Holcomb
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Dr Jamila Holcomb is a marriage and family therapist and supervisior in Florida joins us to discuss racial trauma. Given the current climate and the ongoing wrestle with racism and its impact on communities and individuals this episode offers essential tools for anti racist practice. Jamila takes us through the important area of racial trauma in cl…
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AI, Web3, The Metaverse and Intersections with Mental Health: With Marianne Le Coyte Grinney
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In this episode we speak with Marianne Le Coyte Grinney about mental health and tech. Marianne is the founder of Held Mind an organisation that offers training, support and consultation on mental health, sobriety and recovery on platforms such as web 3 and discord. She takes us through her personal and professional journey with the world of tech an…
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Systemic Lens Ep 3: Unpacking the Magic: A Systemic Analysis of Disney's Encanto
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In this episode of The Systemic Lens, we delve into the enchanting world of Disney's "Encanto" through the lens of systemic psychotherapy. Join us as we explore the complex dynamics of the Madrigal family, analysing how intergenerational trauma, familial roles, and cultural expectations shape their magical and emotional experiences. We examine the …
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Beyond Single Stories of Trauma to Narratives of Survival and Strength: With Nsimire Aimee Bisimwa
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Nsimire Aimee Bisimwa is a Highly Specialist Systemic & Family Psychotherapist, course lead & lecturer at Essex University & Tavistock Centre and visiting lecturer at University College London. Our home is the theme for Refugee Week in 2024. In this special episode, we are dedicating our discussion to exploring and highlighting the crucial work bei…
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Critical Realism and The Philosophy of Open Systems: In Conversation with David Pocock.
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David Pocock , Systemic Family Psychotherapist, Psychoanalytic Psychotherapist, author and lecturer, joins us to discuss his influential paper, "A Philosophy of Practice for Systemic Psychotherapy: The Case for Critical Realism." (2015) In this session, we revisit the paper almost ten years after its initial publication to examine its enduring them…
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Systemic Interventions/Psychotherapy - Two Sides of the Same Coin?: With Umberta Telfener
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In this episode we are joined by EFTA President, Umberta Telfener, as she shares with us her legacy and connection to the development of the systemic field. She talks about her relationships with some of the pioneers in Systemic Family Therapy across the globe. We hear her passionate views on combining systemic interventions and psychotherapy as we…
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Collective Care, "Sumud" and Resistance: With Dr. Yoa'd Ghanadry-Hakim
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In today's episode we have the privilege to speak with Dr. Yoa'd Ghanadry-Hakim who is a clinical psychologist, human rights activist and supervisor and has been active in the field of mental health in Palestine for 25 years. Dr Yoa’d joins us to talk about her experiences of working in Palestine and generously shares her professional journey and t…
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Gender, Sexuality and Adventures Beyond the Binary: In conversation with Amanda Middleton
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Amanda Middleton joins us to talk in depth about her keynote speech/article, Adventures in time, gender and therapeutic practice. Embracing a queer systemic way of working with gender expansive families. Amanda shares with us ways to understand gender and sexuality that are away from binary discourses and we discuss why this matters for inclusive t…
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Social Constructionism - Origins, Development and Future in Systemic Practice: With Kenneth J. Gergen Ph.D
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This episode focuses on social constructionism with one of the leading figures in the field, Kenneth J. Gergen Ph.D. We hear about how radical the ideas were at the time of its conceptiopn and the people who believed in its contribution to psychology and supported its evolution. Ken tells us his personal and professional stories of the history and …
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Integrative Systemic Practice: A Contemporary Framework with Dr Kate Owen and Dr Leonie White
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In this episode we discuss the Queensland Institute of Family Therapy's (QIFT) meta framework for integrative practice. Founders, Kate and Leonie talk about how practitioners are embracing and integrative approach and their experience of developing the framework. Topics covered include: The main elements of the framework How integrative differs fro…
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Trauma, Resilience and Culture - Systemic Work with Refugee Couples and Families: Dr Shadi Shahnavaz
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This episode is about Shadi Shahnavaz’s insightful book “Working systematically with refugee families and couples: exploring trauma, resilience and culture” We discuss areas such as: -Effects of trauma -Seeking therapeutic help -Cross cultural therapy -Refugees lived experiences -Frameworks for engaging & supporting families and couples Shadi guide…
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Becoming and Being: Harry Aponte On The Person Of The Therapist
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In this episode we speak with the much respect Dr Harry Aponte about his career, contributions and process of becoming and being a therapist. He shares with us stories oh how he became interested in systemic practice and his early days in structural systemic family therapy. We take a deep dive with Harry as he discussed the key ideas that informs h…
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Future Directions of JFT and Why Research Matters: In Conversation with Dr Sarah Helps
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Editor of The Journal of Family Therapy (JFT), Sarah Helps joins us to discuss the history, contribution & value of JFT. Sarah shares her passion for research and its important role in the systemic field. She shows how research can support practice through developing knowledge and deepen our understanding of process. She talks us through how to get…
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An Odyssey into Second Order Competencies: With Laura Fruggeri and Francesca Balestra
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In this episode we meet Francesca Balestra and Laura Fruggeri, two of the authors of the book Psychotherapeutic competencies: Techniques, relationships, and epistemology in systemic practice (2002). We have the opportunity to hear about the importance and value of competencies through the exploration of technical, relational, epsitimolgical and soc…
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Culture, Emotions and the Relationships Between: In Conversation with Batja Mesquita
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Batja Mesquita, social psychologist, affective scientist, and pioneer of cultural psychology joins us to talk about her wonderful book Between Us: How Cultures Create Emotions (2022). In this episodes, we dive deep into the key ideas within the book and discuss the interplay with systemic ideas. Batja invites us to reconsider emotions as universal …
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Cultivating Belonging: A Systemic Exploration of Third Culture Kid's (TCK's): In Conversation with Dr. Ruth van Reken
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In this episode, we speak with Dr. Ruth Van Reken who is the co-authour of Third Culture Kids: Growing Up Among Worlds, 3rd ed., and author of Letters Never Sent. We explore Third Culture Kids (TCKs)—which refers to people raised in cultures different from their parents’ and who spent formative years in diverse environments. We delve into the psych…
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Talking Identity and Creating Spaces for Authentic Selves: In conversation with Hendrix Hammond
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In this episode we talk with Hendrix Hammond about identity, the use of self, positioning and emotions in the therapeutic and organisational contexts. We expand on his AFT 2022 keynote speech where Hendrix shares his own journey and how this has informed him and is present in his values and ways of working in practice. Hendrix Hammond bio: Hendrix …
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Making Every Session Count: The Philosophy and Practice of Single Session Therapy with Katy Stephenson, Flavio Cannistra and Jeff Young
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In this episode we talk with Flavio Cannistra, Jeff Young and Katy Stephenson all about Single Session Therapy (SST). They share their professional experience and lived examples of the approach in action. We are introduced to the philosophy, key principles, benefits, challenges and ethics of SST and get an insight to how it can transform practice, …
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"Practice Based Evidence Based Practice" - Therapy as Collaborative Learning: With Robert van Hennik
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In this episode we meet with Robert van Hennik to discuss his professional doctorate titled: Practice Based Evidence Based Practice: Navigating Complexity in Feedback-informed Systemic Therapy. Robert brings his ideas alive by talking us through his approach in a practical way. He eloquently shares how the theory is woven into practice through coll…
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Opening Doors to Stories of Home - EMOTH (Emotional Map of the Home) with Dr. Viola Sallay and Dr. Tamás Martos
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In this episode we speak with Dr. Viola Sallay and Dr. Tamás Martos about EMOTH a therapeutic tool they have created to support therapist in nurturing new ways of having conversations with families. They share the development, application and case examples allowing us to fully experience the possibilities of EMOTH. This expansive tool finds creativ…
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Building Bridges: A Reflective Conversation from AFT Symposium #weareaft
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This episode is a reflective conversation bout the recent AFT symposium "Building Bridges" which took place in Birmingham in July 2023. We are joined by Jennifer Achan, Anokh Goodman, Sybil Qasir and Judy Sutton who share their experiences of the day from their personal and professional positions. If you were unable to make it in person then we hop…
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Diversity, Solidarity and Systemic Change: Talking Diversity Working Party's (DWP) with Parveen Kaur and Amy Urry
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In this episode Parveen Kaur & Amy Urry join us to discuss an initiative by AFT to openly and collaboratively work with members on issues of diversity. They share the intentions of creating the DWPs, provide insights on what they are about and details on how to join. Parveen Kaur works as a Family & Systemic Psychotherapist in Community CAMHS for M…
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Re-embracing the Spirt of Adventure: Pedagogy, Stories and Contemporary Narrative Practice with Dr Travis Heath
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In this episode we talk with Dr Travis Heath and discuss the book “Reimagining Narrative Therapy Through Practice Stories and Autoethnography by Travis Heath, Tom Carlson and David Epston. The heart of the book is a re embracing of the spirits of narrative practice through the teaching and learning of this approach. Travis invites us to explore the…
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The Therapeutic Alliance - Collaboration, feedback and the use of questionnaires. In conversation with Peter Rober.
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Peter Rober returns onto the podcast to talk in detail about his JFT award winning paper ‘One step up, but not there yet’: using client feedback to optimise the therapeutic alliance in family therapy, where he and his co-authours talk about the integral role of collaboration and therapeutic alliance in achieving positive outcomes in therapy. In thi…
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Reclaiming Attachment Theory and the Interplay Between Neuroscience, Developmental Psychology and Systemic Thinking: In conversation with Graham Music
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In this episode we meet with Graham Music, Consultant Child Psychotherapist and former Associate Clinical Director at the Tavistock Clinic in London. We discuss his career, his books as we dive into his ideas on the interplay between systemic thinking, attachment theory, developmental psychology and the new frontiers of neuroscience. We discussed t…
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Systemic Lens Ep.2: Everything Everywhere All At Once: Exploring tales on intergenerational trauma, migration, meaning making and navigating the space and world's between
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Welcome to The Systemic Lens - our podcast where we geek out on systemic ideas and apply them to films, music, literature and pop culture. In this episode we take on the magnificent film, Everything Everywhere All At Once. Enjoy!By Sezer and Julie
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Centering Social Justice in Practice: Vikki Reynolds talks on solidarity, activism and community.
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In this episode we speak with the ever inspiring Vikki Reynolds Phd who talks with us about her ongoing work and process of social justice, direct action and activism. Vikki shares personal and professional insights on her commitment to justice doing, decolonisation and living and working in an ethical way. We hear her dedication to addressing ineq…
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Attachment Narratives and the Art of Therapeutic Playfulness: In conversation with Sabine Vermeire
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In this episode we speak with systemic and narrative psychotherapist, Sabine Vermeire who discusses in detail her approach to working with children, young people and their families and carers using an attachment narrative approach to nurture belonging and open up therapeutic possibilities. We discuss Sabine's wonderful paper "No child is an island:…
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Research, Evidence, Practice: A Decade Review of Effective Systemic Interventions with Dr Andrea Wittenborn and Dr Kendal Holtrop
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In this episode we focus on the special issue in the Journal of Marital and Family Therapy (JMFT) which reviews the efficacy and effectiveness of couple and family therapy from the last decade. We speak with editors of the review Dr Andrea Wittenborn and Dr Kendal Holtrop who share their process and insights into collaborating on the reviews creati…
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Interventions for Working with Separated Parents in Conflict: With Kam Kaur and Claire Field from The Parenting Apart Programme
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In this episode we speak with Kam Kaur (senior social worker/systemic practitioner) and Claire Field (social care consultant and managing director) as they share with us details of The Parenting Apart Programme. We hear about their personal and professional connections in developing the programme and in working with separated parents in conflict. T…
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History and Development of Family Therapy at the Tavistock Clinic: Working from the Margins with Charlotte Burck
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In this episode we talk to systemic psychotherapist, consultant and filmmaker Charlotte Burck about her inspiration and process of making this personal film about the development of systemic family psychotherapy at the Tavistock Clinic, UK. Charlotte shares professional and personal stories about this unique time and the joys and challenges of brin…
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CMM with Vernon Cronen: A life in communications and meaning making.
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In this episode Professor Vernon Cronen shares his journey in developing CMM. Professor Cronen talks about his relationship with Barnet Pearce, introducing the ideas in the UK and the current developments of CMM theory and practice. Vernon weaves his experiences with stories from his life giving us a colourful and intricate walk through his relatio…
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Just Therapy - sacred stories, belonging and social justice as guides for liberating practice: In conversation with Carol Halliwell
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In this episode we meet with Consultant systemic psychotherapist Carol Halliwell as she shares her personal and professional connections with the Just Therapy team at the Family Centre in New Zealand. We explore the Just Therapy approach and hear how the guiding principles that underpin their work has influenced and guided Carol's practice for over…
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Using Genograms: A Systemic Therapeutic Tool. In conversation with Monica McGoldrick
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In this episode we meet with the one and only Monica McGoldrick as she takes us through her career and journey in using family genograms in her clinical work. We hear how Monica has developed her ideas throughout the years and the use of symbols, patterns and the importance of exploring life cycles. This is a unique opportunity of hearing a master …
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The Mother & Daughter Puzzle - Attachment, history mapping and the impact of societal and generational stories: In conversation with Rosjke Hasseldine
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In this episode we discuss the mother and daughter relationship with Rosjke Hasseldine. Rosjke has spent almost 30 years working therapeutically with mothers and daughters and researching the factors that contribute to the complexity of this relationship. Rosjke has trained over1000 therapists and coaches from 20 different countries in her Mother-D…
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Systemic Supervision: Improvisation, Creativity and the use of Metaphors with Karen Partridge
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In this episode we talk with systemic psychotherapist, supervisor and trainer Karen Partridge about the role of creativity and improvisation in systemic supervision. Karen takes us on a journey of metaphors through "swampy lowlands", "constructive awkwardness", "positioning compass" and her "rememberall". Karen shares her ideas of connecting to our…
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AFT conference 2022 - Reflections, appreciations and resonances - Old Wisdoms and New Truths.
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Welcome back after a short summer break. In this episode we reflect on the wonderful AFT 2022 Conference entitled: Transgenerational stories of hope across cultures; old wisdoms and new truths which was host by the West Yorkshire AFT at the Queens Hotel in Leeds. We share our reflections, highlights and the experience of the conference and also spe…
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Stories Lived and Stories Told: Discussing the legacy and documentary film of the KCC
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In this episode we meet with the filmmakers of the documentary film "KCC Stories Lived and Stories Told" which was premiered at the AFT conference 2021. We meet with the creators, Rick Murphy, Helen Mahaffey, Ayesha Aslam, Mark Chidgey and Karen Partridge as they share their reflections on key moments from the film, their thoughts on making the fil…
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Discovering The Mythical Land of Ireland's Fifth Province - With Dr Imelda McCarthy
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Dr Imelda McCarthy PhD. joins us to share the story, development and practice of the Fifth Province. Imelda talk with us about how the Fifth Province evolved within the context of Ireland, the wider systemic community and the connections it has with spirituality. She gives us examples of using the myth in practice and how the model invites space in…
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The Systemic Lens Episode 1: The Wizard of Oz and Systemic Stories of Gender, Power and the Discovery of Self Through Relational Means
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Introducing our new podcast adventure - The Systemic Lens. We are a group of systemic therapist with a love for film, TV, music, literature and theatre and will be using systemic theory to share our reflections, thoughts and resonances on some our our favourites. Through these podcast we hope to expand the bounds of systemic application and offer a…
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The 1.5 Order Position: An exploration of "knowing" and "not-knowing" in therapy with Ged Smith.
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In this episode we talk with Dr Ged Smith about his ideas on taking a 1.5 order position in therapy. Ged introduces us to the meaning of the 1.5 order position and shows us ways to operate within and between first and second order positions from his own experience. In this podcast we discuss the therapeutic conundrums and tensions between the thera…
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Nick Pendry on Embedding Conversations about Race and Racism into our Everyday Practice.
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Nick Pendry is a social worker and family therapist. He is currently employed as the deputy director of children's services at the London Borough of Wandsworth. He identifies as a Brown-Indian man. Nick has worked in various roles in the NHS and local authority children’s services. He is particularly interested in embedding systemic ideas and pract…
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Inga-Britt Krause on the Complexity of Teaching Race and Equity
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In this episode we hear about Inga-Britt Krause's professional life with a focus on race and equity - the importance of teaching it and the nuances that need to be held in mind. The conversation is framed around her paper "Can we teach race and equity? (2022)" and we hope it invites a lens of curiosity and reflection on where we are at with race an…
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Becoming Your Best Therapeutic Self: In Conversation with Dr Victor Yalom
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Dr Victor Yalom, founder of Psychotherapy.net joins the Systemic Way in a conversation about developing your best therapeutic self. We hear about his experiences of becoming a therapist, creating Psychotherapy.net and also tips on developing a more dynamic, authentic self so that you can better connect with and support your clients along their ther…
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Applying Systemic Concepts to Politics: In conversation with Gwyn Daniel
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In this episode, Julie and Sezer speak with Gwyn Daniel about her connection to politics and systemic thinking and how she navigates the two in the systemic community. Gwyn talks about gender, power, class and geography in this rich and insightful episode. Gwyn Daniel is a Systemic Family Therapist, Trainer, Clinical Supervisor and co-founder of th…
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Contextual Equine Therapy - The Experiential Power of Bringing Together Horses, Families and Therapy: In conversation with Hesther Selbeck
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In this episode we explore the personal and professional journey of Hesther Selbeck, a Dutch Systemic Psychotherapist and developer of Contextual Equine Therapy. Hesther takes us on a ride through the development, theory and practice that underpins her model. Contextual Equine Therapy is a form of systemic therapy in which horses are used as co-the…
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COURRAGE - Healing Communities with Narrative Therapy: An interview with Ncazelo Ncube-Mlilo
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In this episode we are honoured to speak with Ncazelo Ncube-Mlilo, where we discuss her work with a focus on the COURRAGE approach that she has developed with women who have experienced trauma. COURRAGE is a collective narrative way of working that privileges the alternative stories of women who have faced significant hardships. It honours the stre…
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In this episode, Julie and Sezer speak with Chiara Santin who is a Systemic and Family Psychotherapist, supervisor, trainer and Director of Rainbow Family Therapy Services and Rainbow Community Projects CIC. Chiara has worked with children and families for more than 30 years, in Italy as a community-based youth worker and in UK as a professional. S…
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The Handbook of Systemic Family Therapy - In conversation with editors Reenee Singh, Mudita Rastogi and Adrian Blow
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In this episode we hear about the ground-breaking Handbook of Systemic Family Therapy (Wampler, 2020) from three contributing editors. We discuss it's creation, the process of its development and get a deeper dive into some of the chapters. This handbook is a magnificent resource for family therapist as its sets to redefine the profession and pract…
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Superhero Therapy Unleashed and Explained: In Conversation with Dr Janina Scarlet
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In this episode we meet with the founder of Superhero Therapy, the amazing Dr Janina Scarlet! We talk about her work, career and the development of Superhero Therapy. As ever, we explore how this approach can be used within systemic therapy and think about ways in which we can incorporate the use of Superheroes in our work with families. Dr. Janina…
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