Best Technology Policy Fellows Podcasts (2024)

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Dr. Abdulelah Alhawsawi, MD - CEO, Novo Genomics, Saudi Arabia - Personalized And Safe Healthcare And Wellness 1:07:20

5h ago1:07:20

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Send us a Text Message. Dr. Abdulelah Alhawsawi, MD is the CEO of Novo Genomics ( https://novogenomics.sa/ ), a company located in KSA with a vision of being the regionally trusted, globally recognized biotech leader in the field of genomics & multiomics. Dr. Alhawsawi is the former Founding Director General of the Saudi Patient Safety Center ( SPS…

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Storytelling: A Way to Rebuild Science in the Public Mind 41:46

6h ago41:46

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This special storytelling episode is filled with AAAS STPF fellows sharing personal, funny, enlightening, and science-based stories. The STEAM Team Affinity Group and Sci on the Fly recently co-sponsored a workshop for current AAAS STPF fellows and alumni titled, “Storytelling: A Way to Rebuild Science in the Public Mind”. This event was designed t…

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210: AI Policy and Implications for Enterprises 33:19

2h ago33:19

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In this episode of InTechnology, Camille gets into the latest in AI policy with co-host Taylor Roberts, Director of Global Security Policy at Intel, and guests Jason Lazarski, Head of Sales at Opaque Systems, and Jonathan Ring, Deputy Assistant National Cyber Director for Technology Security at The White House Office of the National Cyber Director.…

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Dr. Vanúsia Nogueira, Ph.D. - Executive Director - The International Coffee Organization - Strengthening The Global Coffee Sector And Promoting Sustainable Expansion 45:23

1d ago45:23

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Send us a Text Message. Dr. Vanúsia Nogueira, Ph.D. is Executive Director of The International Coffee Organization ( ICO - https://icocoffee.org/ ), an organization focused on strengthening the global coffee sector and promoting it’s sustainable expansion in a market-based environment for the benefit of all actors in the Global Coffee Value Chain. …

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Unpacking the Data Dilemma 35:38

2d ago35:38

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As the US pushes for a TikTok ban and the EU leads the way in data privacy regulation, experts warn that overly restrictive policies might inadvertently stifle innovation and economic growth. But how do we strike the right balance? What role does data play in shaping our society? How do we categorize and classify the information we generate daily? …

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Discussing Pre-0.21.0 Bitcoin Core Vulnerability Disclosures 51:16

2d ago51:16

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Brink engineers Gloria Zhao and Niklas Gögge talk through the recently disclosed Bitcoin Core pre-0.21.0 vulnerabilities. (0:00) - Introductions and motivation for disclosures (3:17) - Absolute value of a signed integer leads to rejection of all blocks (13:50) - Too many misbehaving peers leads to DoS (21:17) - Nested loop without deduplication lea…

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Dr. Oren Milstein, PhD - CEO, StemRad - Personal Radiation Protection Solutions For Earth And Space 1:02:06

3d ago1:02:06

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Send us a Text Message. Dr. Oren Milstein, Ph.D. is CEO and Board Member of StemRad ( https://stemrad.com/ ), a world leader in the provision of personal radiation protection solutions and is the first company to offer life-saving protection from penetrating ionizing radiation and is making the lives of first responders, military personnel, utility…

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Dr. Jeffrey DellaVolpe, MD - Methodist Hospital, San Antonio, Texas - Saving Lives With Extracorporeal Membrane Oxygenation (ECMO) Technology 37:37

10d ago37:37

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Send us a Text Message. Dr. Jeffrey DellaVolpe, MD is Medical Director of the Adult Extracorporeal Membrane Oxygenation (ECMO) Program at Methodist Hospital, San Antonio, Texas. He is also the Medical Director of the Cardiovascular Intensive Care Unit at Methodist Healthcare System and the Texas IPS Critical Care Service Line ( https://texasips.com…

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Dr. William Padula, PhD - Assistant Professor, Pharmaceutical & Health Economics and Fellow, Schaeffer Center for Health Policy & Economics, Alfred E. Mann School of Pharmacy & Pharmaceutical Sciences ... 57:42

4d ago57:42

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Send us a Text Message. Dr. William Padula, PhD, MS, MSc, is Assistant Professor, Pharmaceutical & Health Economics and Fellow, Schaeffer Center for Health Policy & Economics, at the Alfred E. Mann School of Pharmacy & Pharmaceutical Sciences, University of Southern California ( https://healthpolicy.usc.edu/author/william-padula-phd/ ). His researc…

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Exposing Sources and Impacts of Election Disinformation Campaigns 42:07

14d ago42:07

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Legendary tech journalist John Markoff (CASBS fellow, 2017-18) chats with 2023-24 CASBS fellow Young Mie Kim on her groundbreaking efforts to identify how shadowy groups use algorithms and targeted disinformation campaigns during presidential election cycles; measure their real-world distorting effects on voter mobilization or suppression; and illu…

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Dr. Raj Yavatkar, Ph.D. - Chief Technology Officer, Juniper Networks - Innovation In Networking with AI, Quantum Security And Energy Efficiency 38:27

7d ago38:27

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Send us a Text Message. Dr. Raj Yavatkar, Ph.D. is Chief Technology Officer at Juniper Networks ( https://www.juniper.net/us/en/the-feed/topics/raj-yavatkar.html ), where he has responsibility for charting the company’s technology strategy, leading and executing the company’s critical innovations and products for intelligent self-driving networks, …

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Busting Tech Myths (with Robert Atkinson and David Moschella) 37:04

16d ago37:04

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Is technology really addictive, or is that just another myth? What hidden benefits of AI are we overlooking? And how will the landscape of innovation shift as lawmakers tighten the reins of regulation? In this episode, Shane interviews Robert Atkinson and David Moschella, co-authors of Technology Fears and Scapegoats: 40 Myths About Privacy, Jobs, …

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#133: Amy Edmondson — Novartis Professor of Leadership and Management at the Harvard Business School, author of “Right Kind of Wrong: The Science of Failing Well” 27:21

26d ago27:21

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For any long time listeners of the podcast, you know we are firm believers in failure being a positive thing. From D1 coaches to cutting edge researchers, great performers and leaders across the board understand the importance of allowing people to fail well. But, how exactly do you do that? Enter today’s guest Amy Edmondson, Novartis Professor of …

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209. Makers, Shapers, and Takers: McKinsey Sr. Partner on the Future of GenAI 30:28

20d ago30:28

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In this episode of InTechnology, Camille gets into generative AI with Lareina Yee, Senior Partner at McKinsey & Company. They talk about why gen AI has exploded in awareness and use, how it can be a great tool for knowledge workers, why humans are still needed, how gen AI is different from other forms of AI, different methods enterprises are taking…

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Cary Claiborne - CEO, Adial Pharmaceuticals - Treatment And Prevention Of Addictions 31:14

22d ago31:14

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Send us a Text Message. Cary Claiborne is CEO of Adial Pharmaceuticals ( https://www.adial.com/ ), a clinical-stage biopharma company focused on developing therapies for the treatment of addiction and related diseases, specifically Alcohol Use Disorder (AUD). In the U.S. alone, an estimated 35 million people suffer from AUD, resulting in significan…

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Dr. Jasneet Bhullar, MD - Cornerstone Medical Group / Ascension - Neuromodulation Technologies For Colorectal Health And Well-Being 36:40

22d ago36:40

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Send us a Text Message. Dr. Jasneet Bhullar, MD, MS, is a colorectal surgeon and member of the general surgery team, Ascension Providence Hospital, Michigan State University College of Human Medicine ( https://healthcare.ascension.org/find-care/provider/1316177876/jasneet-bhullar ), where he provides both surgical and non-surgical treatments for a …

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Reclaiming Heritage as a Mixtec Scholar: A Conversation with Dr. Omar Aguilar 27:30

1M ago27:30

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In this episode, AAAS STPF fellow Jose Hurtado sits down with Dr. Omar Aguilar, a Mixtec archaeologist from Oaxaca, to discuss his innovative approach to science communication through the lens of his film "Sacred Skins." Dr. Aguilar shares his journey of reappropriating Mixtec heritage and language, the challenges of balancing academic research wit…

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Navigating AI Policy and Ethics with Dr. Ravit Dotan 26:09

27d ago26:09

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In this podcast, we explore the rapidly evolving landscape of AI policy and ethics with Dr. Ravit Dotan. With AAAS STPF fellow Jose Hurtado, the two begin by discussing how AI policy has become a major topic in recent headlines, sharing insights on the importance of integrating ethics into AI development and policymaking. They delve into the challe…

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Dr. Valerie Sarisky-Reed, Ph.D. - Director, Bioenergy Technologies Office, Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy, U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) - Bioenergy Innovation For The U.S. Bioeconomy ... 1:06:13

27d ago1:06:13

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Send us a Text Message. Dr. Valerie Sarisky-Reed, Ph.D. ( https://www.energy.gov/eere/person/valerie-sarisky-reed ) is the Director of the Bioenergy Technologies Office (BETO), in the Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy (EERE), at the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE). In this role, she manages efforts to improve performance, lower cos…

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208. From Edge to Core: The Evolution of Fly.io's Developer-Centric Cloud 25:37

27d ago25:37

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In this episode of InTechnology, Camille gets into Fly.io’s developer-focused public cloud with co-host Nick Washburn, Senior Managing Director at Intel Capital, and guest Kurt Mackey, Co-Founder and CEO of Fly.io. They talk about how Fly.io orients their cloud toward developers, the trade-offs of using their cloud, how they keep up with scaling ne…

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What do birding and dinosaurs have to do with privacy compliance? [S5E6] 37:54

1M ago37:54

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Today on the Tech Policy Grind: Our editor, Evan, bids the show farewell for his new role in corporate privacy compliance. He chats with Pedro Pavon, a privacy attorney at Meta, about what it means to be an advocate on the corporate side, how birding can help us maintain a beginners mindset, and how Pedro launched the Data Protection Breakfast Club…

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Prof. Noga Kronfeld-Schor Ph.D. - Chief Scientist, Israeli Ministry Of Environmental Protection; Principal Investigator and Chair, Department of Zoology, Tel Aviv University - Studying The Biological Rhythms ... 1:04:25

1M ago1:04:25

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Send us a Text Message. Prof. Noga Kronfeld-Schor, Ph.D. is Principal Investigator and Chair, Department of Zoology at Tel Aviv University ( https://en-lifesci.tau.ac.il/profile/nogaks ) where her research centers on environmental physiology with a focus on biological rhythms of diverse vertebrate species. Her research asks questions regarding the …

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Securing the Web with Route Origin Authorizations (with Grace Abuhamad and Robert Cannon) 37:59

1M ago37:59

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NTIA is championing Route Origin Authorizations or ROA’s as part of the Biden Administration’s cybersecurity plan to fend off nation-state hackers and cyberattacks. In tandem with this effort, on June 6, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) advanced a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking aimed at strengthening internet security through the implemen…

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Dr. David Boucher, Ph.D. - Director, Infectious Disease Preparedness and Response, ASPR, U.S. HHS - Preparedness, Response & Recovery From Disasters And Public Health Emergencies 58:16

1M ago58:16

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Send us a Text Message. Dr. David Boucher, Ph.D. is Director, Infectious Disease Preparedness and Response, Administration for Strategic Preparedness and Response, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services ( https://aspr.hhs.gov/Pages/Home.aspx ). The HHS Administration for Strategic Preparedness and Response (ASPR) leads the nation's medical an…

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Dr. Eliah Overbey, Ph.D. - Assistant Professor, Bioastronautics, University Of Austin; CSO, BioAstra - Making Humanity A Multi-Planetary Species 41:25

1M ago41:25

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Send us a Text Message. Dr. Eliah Overbey, Ph.D. is Assistant Professor of Bioastronautics at The University of Austin ( UATX - https://www.uaustin.org/people/eliah-overbey ) where she is involved in pioneering research in the field of astronaut health, specializing in spaceflight-induced genomic changes. Her work focuses on mapping changes in the …

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Dr. Xiaorong He, Ph.D., MBA - Senior Vice President, Boehringer Ingelheim Pharmaceuticals - Transformative Innovation, Scientific Excellence & Patient Centricity 42:49

1M ago42:49

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Send us a Text Message. Dr. Xiaorong He, Ph.D., MBA is Senior Vice President, Head of Global Development Sciences and U.S. Site Head of Non-Clinical Development at Boehringer Ingelheim Pharmaceuticals, Inc. ( https://www.boehringer-ingelheim.com/us ), where with over two decades of experience, her leadership focus lies in advancing transformative m…

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The Gold Standard of Economic Historians 1:12:58

2M ago1:12:58

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Stefan Link, a 2023-24 CASBS fellow, chats with Barry Eichengreen, a 1996-97 CASBS fellow and world renowned for his expertise at the nexus of international economics and economic history. They discuss some of Eichengreen's most prominent works — including "The European Economy Since 1945," which emerged from his CASBS experience, and "Golden Fette…

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Maj. Gen. Dr. Paul Friedrichs, MD - Director, Office Of Pandemic Preparedness & Response Policy (OPPR), The White House - Preparing For And Responding To Significant Public Health Related Disruptions 31:25

1M ago31:25

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Send us a Text Message. Maj. Gen. Dr. Paul Friedrichs, MD is the Inaugural Director of the Office of Pandemic Preparedness and Response Policy, at the White House ( OPPR - https://www.whitehouse.gov/oppr/ ), a permanent executive office aimed at leading, coordinating, and implementing actions to prepare for and respond to pathogens that could lead …

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Dr. Priya Basu - Executive Head of the Pandemic Fund, The World Bank - Strengthening Global Pandemic Prevention, Preparedness And Response 44:49

1M ago44:49

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Send us a Text Message. Dr. Priya Basu ( https://www.worldbank.org/en/about/people/p/priya-basu ) is the Executive Head of the Pandemic Fund ( https://www.thepandemicfund.org/ ) at the World Bank ( https://www.worldbank.org/en/programs/financial-intermediary-fund-for-pandemic-prevention-preparedness-and-response-ppr-fif ), which has a focus of fina…

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Tiara Green - President, Accessia Health - Providing A Healthcare Safety Net For Millions Of Needy Americans 41:43

2M ago41:43

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Send us a Text Message. Tiara Green is President of Accessia Health ( https://accessiahealth.org/ ), a national nonprofit 501(c)(3) patient assistance organization that supports individuals living with rare or chronic health conditions. Ms. Green leads the organization through strategic organizational growth that expands the nonprofit’s programs an…

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Dr. Jack Hoppin, CEO & Dr. John Babich, CSO - Ratio Therapeutics - Best-In-Class Targeted Radiotherapeutics For Cancer 1:02:40

2M ago1:02:40

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Send us a Text Message. Dr. Jack Hoppin, Ph.D. is Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Ratio Therapeutics ( https://ratiotx.com/ ), a discovery through early clinical phase pharmaceutical company, employing a suite of innovative technologies to develop best-in-class targeted radiotherapeutics for the treatment of cancers. Dr. Hoppin holds a Ph.D…

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207. Fabric8Labs: Making Waves with Water-Based Additive Manufacturing 24:56

2M ago24:56

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In this episode of InTechnology, Camille gets into electrochemical additive manufacturing with episode co-host Jennifer Ard, Managing Director and Head of Investment Operations at Intel Capital, and guest Ian Winfield, Vice President of Product & Applications at Fabric8Labs. They talk about Fabric8Labs’ unique liquid-based approach to additive manu…

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Dr. Michael Platt, Ph.D. - Wharton Neuroscience Initiative, University Of Pennsylvania - Building Better Business through Brain Science 1:31:12

2M ago1:31:12

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Send us a Text Message. Dr. Michael Platt, Ph.D. ( https://www.drmichaelplatt.com/ ) is the James S. Riepe University Professor, University of Pennsylvania, where he has appointments as Professor of Neuroscience at the Perelman School of Medicine ( https://plattlabs.rocks/our-team/michael-platt ), as Professor of Psychology at the School of Arts an…

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Joseph Ferra, CEO & Dr David Dornan, CSO; Elevation Oncology; Precision Oncology With Antibody Drug Conjugates 34:14

2M ago34:14

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Send us a Text Message. Joseph Ferra is CEO of Elevation Oncology ( https://elevationoncology.com/ ), a clinical stage biopharmaceutical company focused on the development of precision oncology products, specifically antibody-drug-conjugates (ADCs), for patients with genomically defined cancers, where he brings over 20 years of financial, strategic…

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Dr. Masayuki Goto, MD, PhD - Director, Space Medical Accelerator - Keeping People Healthy In Space 27:10

2M ago27:10

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Send us a Text Message. Dr. Masayuki Goto, MD, PhD is Director and President of the Space Medical Accelerator ( https://space-healthcare.jp/ ), an organization founded in 2022 in Japan with a mission to keep people healthy in space and to develop terrestrial medicine by utilizing space technology and research. Dr. Goto is a Medical Doctor, a Neuros…

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Responsible Product Design and AI Red Teaming [S5E5] 32:02

2M ago32:02

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This week, we’re sharing two conversations from State of the Net that discuss the importance of responsible product design and ethical red teaming for AI. First, we chatted with Aishwarya Vardhana. As a full stack product designer, she designs innovative interfaces and experiences with safety, privacy, and other human rights considerations baked in…

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Inside Tech's $2 Trillion Technical Debt (with Ken Silva) 31:53

2M ago31:53

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Outdated systems, sloppy code, and years of quick fixes have created a growing issue of "technical debt" in businesses. This unseen threat poses security risks, slows innovation, and leaves companies running on inefficient systems. Technical debt costs the US an estimated $2.41 trillion annually, with a whopping $1.52 trillion needed just to addres…

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Dr. Kevin Bugin, Ph.D. - Deputy Director of Operations, Office of New Drugs, CDER, U.S. FDA - Clinical Trial Innovation To Improve The Efficiency And Effectiveness Of Drug Development 55:29

2M ago55:29

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Send us a Text Message. Dr. Kevin Bugin, Ph.D. is Deputy Director of Operations in the Office of New Drugs ( OND - https://www.fda.gov/about-fda/center-drug-evaluation-and-research-cder/office-new-drugs ) in FDA’s Center for Drug Evaluation and Research ( CDER - https://www.fda.gov/about-fda/fda-organization/center-drug-evaluation-and-research-cder…

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#132: Kim Reed — Author of “Workhorse: My Sublime and Absurd Years in the New York Restaurant Scene,” Fmr. Executive Assistant for Chef Joe Bastianich 28:02

2M ago28:02

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In recent years, the celebrity chef and restaurant has taken the world by storm. The rise of the ‘chefprenaur’ has created a $10 billion dollar industry encapsulating everything from restaurant chains, branded cookware, cook books, television deals, and social media empires. Despite the glamor, one fact still remains: the restaurant scene is an unf…

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Dr. Diane DiEuliis, Ph.D. - U.S. National Defense University - Preparing National Security Leaders For The Next Generation Of Threats 1:11:11

2M ago1:11:11

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Send us a Text Message. Episode Disclaimer - The views presented in this episode are those of the speaker and do not necessarily represent the views of the United States Department of Defense (DoD) or its components. Dr. Diane DiEuliis, Ph.D. is a Distinguished Research Fellow at National Defense University ( NDU - https://www.ndu.edu/ ), an instit…

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Rita El Zaghloul - Director, High Ambition Coalition for Nature & People Secretariat - Championing A Global Deal For Nature And People 49:07

2M ago49:07

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Send us a Text Message. Ms. Rita El Zaghloul is Director of the High Ambition Coalition for Nature & People Secretariat ( HAC - https://www.hacfornatureandpeople.org/ ), an intergovernmental group of more than 100 countries, co-chaired by Costa Rica and France, and by the United Kingdom as Ocean co-chair, championing a global deal for nature and pe…

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Elizabeth Reynolds, Managing Director, US, Starburst Aerospace; Championing An Aerospace Renaissance 44:56

2M ago44:56

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Send us a Text Message. Elizabeth Reynolds is Managing Director, US of Starburst Aerospace ( https://starburst.aero/ ), a global Aerospace and Defense (A&D) startup accelerator and strategic advisory practice championing today’s aerospace renaissance, aligning early-stage technology innovators with government and commercial stakeholders and investo…

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Dr. Roland Roesch, Ph.D. - Director, Innovation and Technology Centre, International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA) - Innovation For A Sustainable Global Energy Transformation 1:30:02

2M ago1:30:02

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Send us a Text Message. Dr. Roland Roesch, Ph.D. is Director, Innovation and Technology Centre (IITC), of the International Renewable Energy Agency ( IRENA - https://www.irena.org/ ) where he oversees the Agency’s work on advising member countries in the area of technology status and roadmaps, energy planning, cost and markets and innovation policy…

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Prof Isabel Oliver - Director General, Science and Research & CSO, UK Health Security Agency - Scientific Leadership To Protect Public Health And Enhance Health Security 52:43

2M ago52:43

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Send us a Text Message. Prof. Isabel Oliver is the Director General of Science and Research & Chief Scientific Officer, at the UK Health Security Agency ( UKHSA - https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/uk-health-security-agency ). The UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) is a government agency in the United Kingdom, responsible since April 2021 f…

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Dr. Arti Garg, Ph.D. - Head of Technology Strategy & Evaluation, Office of the CTO and HPE Sr. Distinguished Technologist, Hewlett Packard Enterprise - Advancing STEM From The Edge To The Exascale 1:04:21

2M ago1:04:21

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Send us a Text Message. Dr. Arti Garg, Ph.D. is Head of Technology Strategy & Evaluation, Office of the CTO and HPE Sr. Distinguished Technologist, at Hewlett Packard Enterprise ( https://www.hpe.com/us/en/home.html ). Previously Dr. Garg served as Deputy, Global CTO for Data & AI and Lead Sustainability & Edge Innovation Architect, as Chief Strate…

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Jill Pellegrino - CEO, AutoCruitment - Recruiting The Right Patients At The Right Time For Clinical Trials 37:33

2M ago37:33

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Send us a Text Message. Jill Pellegrino is CEO of AutoCruitment ( https://www.autocruitment.com/ ), a company with a focus on identifying, targeting, and qualifying patients for clinical trials with direct-to-patient recruitment, technology, and engagement services and which has to date been involved in randomizing over 12,000 patients into clinica…

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206. Ready for Q-Day? Post-Quantum Cryptography at RSA 2024 29:50

2M ago29:50

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In this episode of InTechnology recorded at RSA Conference 2024, Camille gets into quantum computing and post-quantum cryptography with Dr. Richard Searle, Chief AI Officer at Fortanix; Chris Hickman, Chief Security Officer at Keyfactor; and Andrew Driscoll, Quantum Security Engineer at Accenture. They talk about how quantum computing and post-quan…

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Borderless Banking: How Crypto Cuts Through Red Tape (with Candace Kelly) 30:36

2M ago30:36

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As the world becomes increasingly interconnected economically, blockchain-based financial networks offer new solutions for facilitating seamless international trade, remittances, and humanitarian aid. What specific advantages do blockchain-based financial networks offer over traditional systems? As global economic interconnectivity increases, what …

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Dr. Jonas Hannestad, MD, Ph.D. - Chief Medical Officer, Gain Therapeutics - Transforming The Treatment Of Debilitating Neurodegenerative Diseases 39:41

2M ago39:41

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Send us a Text Message. Dr. Jonas Hannestad, M.D., Ph.D. is Chief Medical Officer of Gain Therapeutics ( https://www.gaintherapeutics.com/ ), a company focused on the discovery and development of groundbreaking medicines that transform lives and provide hope and improved quality of life to people suffering from debilitating neurodegenerative diseas…

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Dr. David Latshaw, Ph.D. - Co-Founder and CEO, BioPhy - Providing Practical AI For Drug Development 53:31

2M ago53:31

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Send us a Text Message. Dr. David Latshaw, Ph.D. is Co-Founder and CEO of BioPhy ( https://www.biophy.ai/ ), a Philadelphia based artificial intelligence company which has developed a set of platforms that provide quantitative metrics to drug company partners about what drugs and clinical trials will ultimately succeed. Dr. Latshaw is a computation…

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