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1 David French | Friends or Enemies? Overcoming Divides with Justice, Kindness, and Humility in a Polarized America 1:15:36
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In this episode, we welcome back David French, columnist for The New York Times , former constitutional attorney, and author of Divided We Fall . We discuss the current state of American democracy, the challenges of political division, and how we can engage in civil discourse despite deep ideological differences. David also shares a personal update on his family and reflects on the profound trials and growth that come with adversity. 📌 What We Discuss: ✔️ How David and his family navigated the challenges of a serious health crisis. ✔️ The rise of political polarization and the factors driving it. ✔️ Why distinguishing between “unwise, unethical, and unlawful” is crucial in analyzing political actions. ✔️ How consuming different perspectives (even opposing ones) helps in understanding political dynamics. ✔️ The role of Christian values in politics and how they are being redefined. ⏳ Episode Highlights 📍 [00:01:00] – David French’s background and his journey from litigation to journalism. 📍 [00:02:30] – Personal update: David shares his wife Nancy’s battle with cancer and their journey as a family. 📍 [00:06:00] – How to navigate personal trials while maintaining faith and resilience. 📍 [00:10:00] – The danger of political paranoia and the pitfalls of extreme polarization. 📍 [00:18:00] – The "friend-enemy" paradigm in American politics and its influence in Christian fundamentalism. 📍 [00:24:00] – Revisiting Divided We Fall : How America’s divisions have devolved since 2020. 📍 [00:40:00] – The categories and differences of unwise, unethical, and unlawful political actions. 📍 [00:55:00] – The balance between justice, kindness, and humility in political engagement. 📍 [01:00:00] – The After Party initiative: A Christian approach to politics focused on values rather than policy. 💬 Featured Quotes 🔹 "You don't know who you truly are until your values are tested." – David French 🔹 "If we focus on the relational, we can have better conversations even across deep differences." – Corey Nathan 🔹 "Justice, kindness, and humility—if you're missing one, you're doing it wrong." – David French 🔹 "The United States has a history of shifting without repenting. We just move on." – David French 📚 Resources Mentioned David French’s Writing: New York Times David’s Book: Divided We Fall The After Party Initiative – More Info Advisory Opinions Podcast (with Sarah Isgur & David French) – Listen Here 📣 Call to Action If you found this conversation insightful, please: ✅ Subscribe to Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other on your favorite podcast platform. ✅ Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen: ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics ✅ Support the show on Patreon: patreon.com/politicsandreligion ✅ Watch the full conversation and subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/@politicsandreligion 🔗 Connect With Us on Social Media @coreysnathan: Bluesky LinkedIn Instagram Threads Facebook Substack David French: 🔗 Twitter | BlueSky | New York Times Our Sponsors Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com Prolux Autogroup: www.proluxautogroup.com or www.granadahillsairporttransportation.com Let’s keep talking politics and religion—with gentleness and respect. 🎙️💡…
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1 Russia, the US, and the (uncertain) future of “the West” 49:37
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What parallels can be drawn between Russia’s democratic decline and challenges facing the US and other Western democracies? What are the prospects for genuine peace after Putin's invasion of Ukraine? With the US’ shifting priorities, how does Europe’s response to Russian aggression inform Australia’s own security outlook? In this episode, Peter Tesch and Mikhail Zygar join Rory Medcalf for a discussion on the evolving role and influence of Russia in the global order, the impending challenges of the war in Ukraine, and the role that the US and Europe will play in this equation. Mikhail Zygar is a leading journalist, writer, commentator, filmmaker and expert on Russian affairs. He was also the founding editor-in-chief of Russian news channel TV Rain . Peter Tesch is a Distinguished Advisor with the ANU National Security College (NSC) and a leading Australian diplomat and policy official. Professor Rory Medcalf AM is Head of NSC. His professional experience spans more than three decades across diplomacy, intelligence analysis, think tanks, journalism and academia. TRANSCRIPT Show notes NSC academic programs – find out more Beth Sanner podcast : Security in transition: Trump’s America, alliances, and global stability North star: why Australia should look to Finland on resilience and preparedness War and Punishment: Putin, Zelensky, and the Path to Russia's Invasion of Ukraine We'd love to hear from you! Send in your questions, comments, and suggestions to NatSecPod@anu.edu.au. You can tweet us @NSC_ANU and be sure to subscribe so you don’t miss out on future episodes. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…

1 Security in transition: Trump’s America, alliances, and global stability 43:09
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How is the shift in foreign policy under Donald Trump reshaping US alliances, and what does this mean for global security? To what extent is the US still a force for global stability? Could the new direction in US foreign policy under Donald Trump succeed in pulling Russia away from its partnership with China? In this episode, Beth Sanner joins Rory Medcalf to explore the Trump administration's approach to global issues – particularly in Europe and the Indo-Pacific, the evolving dynamics of US alliances, and the broader threat environment. Beth Sanner is a Distinguished Advisor at the ANU National Security College (NSC). She is a former US Deputy Director of National Intelligence for Mission Integration and was Director of the President's Daily Brief during Donald Trump’s first stint as President. Professor Rory Medcalf AM is Head of NSC. His professional experience spans more than three decades across diplomacy, intelligence analysis, think tanks, journalism and academia. TRANSCRIPT Show notes · NSC academic programs – find out more · Australia confronts the new world disorder We'd love to hear from you! Send in your questions, comments, and suggestions to NatSecPod@anu.edu.au. You can tweet us @NSC_ANU and be sure to subscribe so you don’t miss out on future episodes. The National Security Podcast is available on Acast, Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever you get your podcasts. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…

1 Who decides? Courts, citizenship, and national security 43:09
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How does the exercise of judicial power shape national security law and policymaking in Australia? What legal safeguards exist to balance civil liberties and national security? Why do the principles of citizenship matter in Australia’s legal system and national security decisions? In this episode, Rebecca Ananian-Welsh and Sangeetha Pillai join Danielle Ireland-Piper to explore the separation of powers in national security law in Australia, the role of courts, and the challenges surrounding citizenship laws. Associate Professor Rebecca Ananian-Welsh is a constitutional law scholar and Editor of the University of Queensland Law Journal at the TC Beirne School of Law, The University of Queensland. Dr Sangeetha Pillai is a constitutional lawyer and writer, and an expert on Australian citizenship, migration and refugee law. Associate Professor Danielle-Ireland Piper is Academic Director at the ANU National Security College (NSC). TRANSCRIPT Show notes · NSC academic programs – find out more · Reassessing national security law for modern threats · Why national security law is “more than the sum of its parts” We'd love to hear from you! Send in your questions, comments, and suggestions to NatSecPod@anu.edu.au. You can tweet us @NSC_ANU and be sure to subscribe so you don’t miss out on future episodes. The National Security Podcast is available on Acast, Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever you get your podcasts. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…

1 Contest for the High North: Greenland and Arctic security 46:18
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Why is everyone suddenly talking about Greenland? How will Arctic security be impacted by rising great power competition? How have US neighbours and allies responded? In this episode, Iselin Németh Winther and Heather Exner-Pirot join David Andrews to explore the evolving significance of Arctic security, the uncertainties for Greenland under Donald Trump, and the potential impact of Arctic power dynamics on global governance. Iselin Németh Winther is a researcher at the Fridtjof Nansen Institute in Oslo. She specialises in the geopolitics and security dynamics of the Arctic. Dr Heather Exner-Pirot is a Senior Fellow and Director of Energy, Natural Resources and Environment at the Macdonald-Laurier Institute in Ottawa and Managing Editor of The Arctic Yearbook . David Andrews is a Senior Policy Advisor at the ANU National Security College (NSC). TRANSCRIPT Show notes · NSC academic programs – find out more · We Went to Greenland to Ask About a Trump Takeover · Why Donald Trump wants Greenland · The long struggle for Greenland We'd love to hear from you! Send in your questions, comments, and suggestions to NatSecPod@anu.edu.au. You can tweet us @NSC_ANU and be sure to subscribe so you don’t miss out on future episodes. The National Security Podcast is available on Acast, Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever you get your podcasts. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…

1 BRICS and the global order: shifting tides or a club of convenience? 46:44
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Is BRICS primarily a challenge to Western-led institutions, or does it serve a broader purpose in global governance? How effective has BRICS been at pursuing its objectives? Does BRICS membership provide newer states with greater strategic influence through engagement with major economies like China, India, and Russia? In this episode, Flavia Zimmermann and Fitriani join David Andrews to explore the evolving role of BRICS, its effectiveness, and its potential influence on global governance and power dynamics. Dr Flavia Bellieni Zimmermann is a Lecturer in Public Policy in the school of Social and Political Sciences at the University of Melbourne and an international political analyst. Dr Fitriani is a senior analyst with the Australian Strategic Policy Institute's Cyber, Technology and Security program, specialising in hybrid threats in the Indo-Pacific, as well as foreign policy and non-traditional security issues. David Andrews is a Senior Policy Advisor at the ANU National Security College (NSC). TRANSCRIPT Show notes NSC academic programs – find out more Joining BRICS, Indonesia sticks with multi-alignment strategy BRICS 2025 2025 UNFCCC COP 30 We'd love to hear from you! Send in your questions, comments, and suggestions to NatSecPod@anu.edu.au. You can tweet us @NSC_ANU and be sure to subscribe so you don’t miss out on future episodes. The National Security Podcast is available on Acast, Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever you get your podcasts. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…

1 Africa: Australia’s Indo-Pacific “blind spot” 47:21
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How should Australia strengthen engagement with Africa? How do perceptions of Africa influence Australia’s approach to bilateral and regional partnerships, and what opportunities might we be overlooking? How do African nations view China? And how does China shape the dynamics of African geopolitics? In this episode, Babatunde Obamamoye, Matthew Neuhaus and Lisa Filipetto join David Andrews and Melissa Permezel to discuss opportunities and barriers to Africa–Australia relations and the role of perception in engagement. Dr Babatunde Obamamoye is a sessional lecturer in the Department of International Relations at the Australian National University (ANU). Matthew Neuhaus is an Honorary Professor at the ANU College of Law. Lisa Filipetto AM is a former United Nations Assistant Secretary General, leading the UN Peace Operations Support Mission in Somalia from 2018 to 2023. David Andrews is a Senior Policy Advisor at the ANU National Security College (NSC). Dr Melissa Permezel is an Advisor at NSC’s Futures Hub and the convenor of NSC’s Africa Working Group. TRANSCRIPT Show notes NSC academic programs – find out more Matthew Neuhaus: Australia needs to take Africa seriously – really, this time Ibrahim Index of African Governance We'd love to hear from you! Send in your questions, comments, and suggestions to NatSecPod@anu.edu.au. You can tweet us @NSC_ANU and be sure to subscribe so you don’t miss out on future episodes. The National Security Podcast is available on Acast, Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever you get your podcasts. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…

1 The power of fiction and storytelling in understanding national security 42:34
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How can fiction and storytelling effectively engage the public with the complex challenges of national security? How does storytelling bridge gaps in historical narratives and deepen our understanding of contemporary conflicts? How can fiction help project future scenarios and explore potential outcomes? In this episode, Misha Zelinsky and Mick Ryan join David Andrews to explore the intersection of fiction and national security – sharing personal experiences on how storytelling can shape public perceptions, and inspire action in the realm. Misha Zelinsky is an Expert Associate with the ANU National Security College. He is a leading authority on the rise of global authoritarianism, a Fulbright Scholar, economist, lawyer, and author. Major General (Retd) Mick Ryan AM is a Senior Fellow for Military Studies in the Lowy Institute’s International Security Program. He spent 35 years in the Australian Army and had the honour of commanding soldiers at multiple levels. David Andrews is a Senior Policy Advisor at NSC. TRANSCRIPT Show notes: NSC academic programs – find out more The Sun Will Rise by Misha Zelinsky White Sun War: The Campaign for Taiwan by Mick Ryan Zero Day (Taiwanese TV show) We'd love to hear from you! Send in your questions, comments, and suggestions to NatSecPod@anu.edu.au. You can tweet us @NSC_ANU and be sure to subscribe so you don’t miss out on future episodes. The National Security Podcast is available on Acast, Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever you get your podcasts. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…

1 Think you can identify misinformation online? Research shows you probably can’t 41:45
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Only three percent of Australian adults were able to demonstrate the ability to verify information online, in a recent study. How can media literacy help inoculate citizens against mis- and disinformation? Why are critical thinking and media skills essential in a thriving democracy? And how can best-practice examples from around the globe and leading domestic research help shape the recently announced National Media Literacy Strategy? In this episode, Tanya Notley and Sora Park join Tim Wilford to discuss Australian media habits, media literacy, and how people can better equip themselves to identify mis/disinformation. Professor Sora Park is a Professor of Communication and a Professorial Research Fellow at the University of Canberra's News and Media Research Centre. Associate Professor Tanya Notley is an Associate Professor at Western Sydney University's Institute for Culture and Society. Tim Wilford is Senior Manager, Policy and Engagement at the ANU National Security College. TRANSCRIPT Show notes: NSC academic programs Digital news report: Australia Adult media literacy in 2024 News and young Australians Towards a national media literacy strategy Online misinformation in Australia News media assistance program Media literacy and education in Finland The full list of materials on media literacy can be found here . We'd love to hear from you! Send in your questions, comments, and suggestions to NatSecPod@anu.edu.au. You can tweet us @NSC_ANU and be sure to subscribe so you don’t miss out on future episodes. The National Security Podcast is available on Acast, Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever you get your podcasts. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…

1 Pat Conroy on defending Australia and Pacific partnerships 57:35
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How can Australia continue to champion the rules-based order, while balancing its strategic relationships and defence priorities? How is the government modernising the Australian Defence Force to address evolving challenges? What is Australia doing to ensure it remains the partner of choice in the Pacific? And how does the NRL deal with PNG impact security in the region? In this episode, Pat Conroy joins Rory Medcalf to discuss his strategic worldview, Australia’s ties with the Pacific and the Albanese Government’s continued push to invest more in the Australian Defence Force. The Hon Pat Conroy MP is the Minister for Defence Industry and Capability Delivery and the Minister for International Development and the Pacific. Professor Rory Medcalf AM is Head of the ANU National Security College (NSC). His professional experience spans more than three decades across diplomacy, intelligence analysis, think tanks, journalism and academia. TRANSCRIPT Show notes: NSC academic programs – find out more Address to the National Press Club by the Hon Pat Conroy MP Defence Strategic Review 2023 Address to the Hunter Defence Conference Gala Dinner by the Hon Pat Conroy MP We'd love to hear from you! Send in your questions, comments, and suggestions to NatSecPod@anu.edu.au. You can tweet us @NSC_ANU and be sure to subscribe so you don’t miss out on future episodes. The National Security Podcast is available on Acast, Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever you get your podcasts. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…

1 Andrew Hastie on social cohesion, defence, and strategic challenges 39:57
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As the notion of a single ‘global theatre of struggle’ gains traction, what are the major challenges that Australia currently faces? How has Australia’s defence investment evolved over the years, and is the nation equipped to address today’s pressing challenges? What steps can Australia take to strengthen social cohesion while navigating political compromise and disruptive forces? In this episode, Andrew Hastie joins Rory Medcalf to discuss his formative influences, strategic worldviews, and Australia’s defence challenges. The Hon Andrew Hastie MP is the Shadow Minister for Defence, Shadow Minister for Defence Industry, and Shadow Minister for Defence Personnel. Professor Rory Medcalf AM is Head of the ANU National Security College (NSC). His professional experience spans more than three decades across diplomacy, intelligence analysis, think tanks, journalism and academia. TRANSCRIPT Show notes: NSC academic programs – find out more The Hon Andrew Hastie MP’s speech at Securing our Future What are the most underappreciated threats to Australia’s security? We'd love to hear from you! Send in your questions, comments, and suggestions to NatSecPod@anu.edu.au. You can tweet us @NSC_ANU and be sure to subscribe so you don’t miss out on future episodes. The National Security Podcast is available on Acast, Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever you get your podcasts. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…

1 ‘I have concepts of a plan’: what to expect from Trump 2.0 49:27
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How does the United States' presidential transition process work, and how does it compare to the Australian electoral system? How might the election of Donald Trump impact US foreign and security policies? How can Australia best engage with a new Trump administration on critical issues like AUKUS, defence strategy, and tariffs? In this episode, Charles Edel joins Bianca Birdsall to discuss the election of Donald Trump to the US presidency, his proposed cabinet and staff nominees, and the security and foreign policy implications of a new administration for Australia and its region. Dr Charles Edel is a Senior Advisor and inaugural Australia Chair at the Centre for Strategic and International Studies. Bianca Birdsall is a Senior Advisor at the ANU National Security College (NSC). TRANSCRIPT Show notes: Listener survey: The National Security Podcast NSC academic programs – find out more Inflation Reduction Act | U.S. Department of the Treasury We'd love to hear from you! Send in your questions, comments, and suggestions to NatSecPod@anu.edu.au. You can tweet us @NSC_ANU and be sure to subscribe so you don’t miss out on future episodes. The National Security Podcast is available on Acast, Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever you get your podcasts. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…

1 Trust and leadership in intelligence and national security: Women in National Security 58:25
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How does our strategic environment inform leadership in intelligence and national security? How do partnerships assist intel collection in an increasingly complex world? What are the foundations of trust in a leader? This episode is a panel discussion, hosted by Meg Tapia at the 2024 Women in National Security LIVE, features Kerri Hartland, Heather Smith, and Heather Cook. They explore leadership in a complex strategic environment, being a 'first,' and the importance of relationships in national security. Kerri Hartland is the Director-General of the Australian Secret Intelligence Service. Dr Heather Smith PSM FAIIA is the National President of the Australian Institute of International Affairs. Heather Cook is the Chief Executive Officer of the Australian Criminal Intelligence Commission. Meg Tapia is an Expert Associate at the ANU National Security College. TRANSCRIPT Show notes NSC academic programs – find out more 2024 Independent Intelligence Review overview Australian Institute of International Affairs Australian Criminal Intelligence Commission Australian Secret Intelligence Service We'd love to hear from you! Send in your questions, comments, and suggestions to NatSecPod@anu.edu.au .You can tweet us @NSC_ANU and be sure to subscribe so you don’t miss out on future episodes. The National Security Podcast is available on Acast, Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever you get your podcasts. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…

1 George Brandis on how politics and national security intersect 36:22
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What is the relationship between national security and politics? How does national security policymaking differ from other areas of public policy? And how might the decline of major parties in Australia impact the national security policymaking process? In this episode, George Brandis – Australia's former Attorney-General and High Commissioner to the United kingdom – joins David Andrews to discuss the politics of national security policymaking. Professor The Honourable George Brandis KC is a Professor in the Practice of National Security in a joint appoint to the ANU National Security College (NSC) and the ANU College of Law. David Andrews is a Senior Policy Advisor at NSC. TRANSCRIPT Show notes: Listener survey: The National Security Podcast NSC academic programs – find out more We'd love to hear from you! Send in your questions, comments, and suggestions to NatSecPod@anu.edu.au . You can tweet us @NSC_ANU and be sure to subscribe so you don’t miss out on future episodes. The National Security Podcast is available on Acast, Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever you get your podcasts. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…

1 In conversation with Chief of Army, Lieutenant General Simon Stuart 52:37
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What is the role of the Army in an era shaped by strategic competition? How is the Army adapting for wars of the future? Why is it important to build trust between the Army and Australian society? In this episode, Simon Stuart joins Rory Medcalf discuss the changing nature of warfare, and how the Australian Army is positioned to succeed in facing future challenges. Lieutenant General Simon Stuart AO DSC is Chief of the Australian Army. Professor Rory Medcalf AM is Head of the ANU National Security College (NSC). His professional experience spans more than three decades across diplomacy, intelligence analysis, think tanks, journalism and academia. TRANSCRIPT Show notes · Listener survey: The Nation Security Podcast · NSC academic programs – find out more · Defence Strategic Review 2023 · National Defence Strategy 2024 · A2/AD systems We'd love to hear from you! Send in your questions, comments, and suggestions to NatSecPod@anu.edu.au . You can tweet us @NSC_ANU and be sure to subscribe so you don’t miss out on future episodes. The National Security Podcast is available on Acast, Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever you get your podcasts. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…

1 Killer robots and unpredictability: the new face of weapons regulation 37:27
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How will automated systems and artificial intelligence change the nature of weaponry? What ethical issues are at play when we discuss lethal autonomous weapons? Can weapons be programmed to follow the laws of armed conflict? How does public literacy influence perceptions of weapons systems? In this episode, Zena Assaad and Lauren Sanders join Danielle Ireland-Piper to discuss weapons regulation, and how artificial intelligence and autonomous systems changes the arms landscape. Dr Zena Assaad is a Senior Research Fellow with the School of Engineering at the Australian National University (ANU). Dr Lauren Sanders is a Senior Research Fellow with the TC Beirne School of Law at the University of Queensland, in the Law and Future of War Project. Dr Danielle-Ireland Piper is Academic Director and Associate Professor at the ANU National Security College (NSC). TRANSCRIPT Show notes Listener survey: The Nation Security Podcast NSC academic programs – find out more UN Report on Governing AI EU AI Act Responsible AI in the Military Summit Legal review of autonomous weapons systems We'd love to hear from you! Send in your questions, comments, and suggestions to NatSecPod@anu.edu.au . You can tweet us @NSC_ANU and be sure to subscribe so you don’t miss out on future episodes. The National Security Podcast is available on Acast, Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever you get your podcasts. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…
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