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Episode 527: Return to Reality?
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In This Episode Excitement over new technologies, new capabilities, new business models, and new companies often turns to hype, but what goes up, must come down. We seem to be working through hype cycles faster and faster, but what’s on the other side is rarely a return to the status quo. In this episode, Simon Taylor, Fintech Brainfood, Jim Marous, The Financial Brand and Theo Lau, Unconventional Ventures join hosts Brett King and JP Nicols to share insights and debate what upward and downward forces will most impact fintech and banking in the next 12 months, and what that new reality looks like. Read the entire transcript here. Podcast Content: Chapter 1: [00:00] Welcome and Introduction Brett King and Jason Henricks introduce the episode, set the stage for the 2024 outlook discussion, and highlight the themes of hype cycles and industry realities. Chapter 2: [03:15] Hype Cycles and Disruption J.P. Nichols discusses the acceleration of hype cycles in fintech, the trough of disillusionment, and how technologies like AI are impacting the space. Chapter 3: [10:45] Traditional Banking's Challenges Jim Maroos explores the pressures on traditional banks, deposit flight, and the stark differences in how fintech challengers like Monzo and Nubank are gaining ground globally. Chapter 4: [20:10] Emerging Markets vs. Developed Markets The panel compares fintech growth in emerging markets like Brazil with developed markets, highlighting the unique opportunities and obstacles each faces. Chapter 5: [32:30] AI's Dual-Edged Sword Theo Lau and others delve into the risks and opportunities of AI in financial services, from fraud mitigation to ethical dilemmas like deepfake scams. Chapter 6: [45:20] Generative AI and Regulation Brett King and Simon Taylor discuss the slow progress in generative AI applications for banking, legal challenges, and regulatory frameworks worldwide. Chapter 7: [55:00] Venture Capital and Fintech Evolution The conversation shifts to the fintech funding landscape, the implications of down rounds, and how AI integration presents new opportunities for startups. Chapter 8: [01:07:15] The Wallet as a Super Tool Brett King outlines the rise of the "super wallet," integrating identity, health, and financial data, and its transformative potential for consumer behavior. Chapter 9: [01:20:30] The Future of Personalization in Fintech The panel explores how AI is driving hyper-personalization, reshaping customer experiences, and embedding financial services into everyday life. Chapter 10: [01:30:00] Closing Thoughts and Predictions The hosts summarize key takeaways, speculate on potential black swans in fintech, and discuss how regulation and geopolitics may shape the future. Related Content: Bank-Fintech Partnerships, Open Banking and AI...oh my! Episode 517: Expectations vs. Reality: Latest Global Findings for Financial Services & Digital Identity Episode 109: Breaking Impact - Building Regulation Friendly FinTech in Emerging Markets Episode 534: Space, AI, Climate and Beyond Banking Episode 549: Bringing You The Best https://youtu.be/V-7Mo6x9rpE
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In This Episode Excitement over new technologies, new capabilities, new business models, and new companies often turns to hype, but what goes up, must come down. We seem to be working through hype cycles faster and faster, but what’s on the other side is rarely a return to the status quo. In this episode, Simon Taylor, Fintech Brainfood, Jim Marous, The Financial Brand and Theo Lau, Unconventional Ventures join hosts Brett King and JP Nicols to share insights and debate what upward and downward forces will most impact fintech and banking in the next 12 months, and what that new reality looks like. Read the entire transcript here. Podcast Content: Chapter 1: [00:00] Welcome and Introduction Brett King and Jason Henricks introduce the episode, set the stage for the 2024 outlook discussion, and highlight the themes of hype cycles and industry realities. Chapter 2: [03:15] Hype Cycles and Disruption J.P. Nichols discusses the acceleration of hype cycles in fintech, the trough of disillusionment, and how technologies like AI are impacting the space. Chapter 3: [10:45] Traditional Banking's Challenges Jim Maroos explores the pressures on traditional banks, deposit flight, and the stark differences in how fintech challengers like Monzo and Nubank are gaining ground globally. Chapter 4: [20:10] Emerging Markets vs. Developed Markets The panel compares fintech growth in emerging markets like Brazil with developed markets, highlighting the unique opportunities and obstacles each faces. Chapter 5: [32:30] AI's Dual-Edged Sword Theo Lau and others delve into the risks and opportunities of AI in financial services, from fraud mitigation to ethical dilemmas like deepfake scams. Chapter 6: [45:20] Generative AI and Regulation Brett King and Simon Taylor discuss the slow progress in generative AI applications for banking, legal challenges, and regulatory frameworks worldwide. Chapter 7: [55:00] Venture Capital and Fintech Evolution The conversation shifts to the fintech funding landscape, the implications of down rounds, and how AI integration presents new opportunities for startups. Chapter 8: [01:07:15] The Wallet as a Super Tool Brett King outlines the rise of the "super wallet," integrating identity, health, and financial data, and its transformative potential for consumer behavior. Chapter 9: [01:20:30] The Future of Personalization in Fintech The panel explores how AI is driving hyper-personalization, reshaping customer experiences, and embedding financial services into everyday life. Chapter 10: [01:30:00] Closing Thoughts and Predictions The hosts summarize key takeaways, speculate on potential black swans in fintech, and discuss how regulation and geopolitics may shape the future. Related Content: Bank-Fintech Partnerships, Open Banking and AI...oh my! Episode 517: Expectations vs. Reality: Latest Global Findings for Financial Services & Digital Identity Episode 109: Breaking Impact - Building Regulation Friendly FinTech in Emerging Markets Episode 534: Space, AI, Climate and Beyond Banking Episode 549: Bringing You The Best https://youtu.be/V-7Mo6x9rpE
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×In This Episode This week’s episode of Breaking Banks features host Brett King in a one-on-one discussion with Dave Birch, speaker, author and internationally recognized thought leader in digital identity and digital money. Listen as they explore the future of AI-based payments, money, and the concepts surrounding Agentic AI. Their conversation delves into key areas such as: * KYA (Know-your-Agent, a counterpart to KYC – Know Your Customer) * How we’ll tell if specific agents have the authority to make payments * The utility problem of money in a highly autonomous world This episode is the future of money, identity and payments all wrapped into one, featuring two of the most future-thinking people in the finance space today.…

1 Breaking Banks’ Hot Takes, Live From The Alloy Labs Annual Member Meeting 1:00:47
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In This Episode Today, we bring you a special episode of Breaking Banks , live from the Alloy Labs Annual Member Meeting —a three-day event focused on critical discussions and deep strategy sessions for today’s bank executives. While we can’t disclose what was said behind closed doors, we can share some of the critical (and fiery!) conversations and topics that executives need to be thinking about and discussing, some of which we asked and addressed in this special recording. Host Jason Henrichs brings the sauce and is joined by recognized industry voices and Hot Takes contributors Kia Haslett from Bank Director , Alex Johnson of Fintech Takes , and Chris Nichols, Director of Capital Markets at South State Bank and writer of South State’s Banker to Banker blog. Leave us a comment on LinkedIn about what you liked, and you may just find yourself the winner of one of the limited-edition Hot Takes hot sauces the panelists enjoyed! First come, first served on the sauce (while supplies last). Don’t delay—listen now and join the discussion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr4Y_eTI_O8…

1 Killing It: Nektarios Liolios on Fintech Innovation, Entrepreneurship and Community 46:10
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In This Episode It is 2014, and Breaking Banks host Jason Henrichs is having coffee with Nektarios Liolios, an early leader in financial services innovation. Jason is in London—the uncontested fintech capital of the world at the time—sitting in the shadow of the Tower of London, seeking advice during what feels like the wreckage of his life post-Perkstreet. Nektarios, today’s guest, was on a journey of his own. He joined SWIFT, the global payments messaging service, in 2007 and held various roles, from working with funds to collaborating with startups. He had recently left to co-found Startup Boot Camp Fintech and Rainmaking Innovation, a corporate innovation studio. He stepped away from both five years later for a period of reflection—which you’ll hear about—before co-founding another fintech venture, Radish Credit, which recently wound down. Along the way, he’s gathered an abundance of hard-earned wisdom. For those unfamiliar with Killing It , the name comes from a private joke between Jason and his Perkstreet co-founder. When asked how things were going, they would say, “We’re killing it,” then mutter under their breath, “like putting a knife in it.” Perkstreet, founded in 2008, was one of the first neobanks and one that crash-landed when an acquisition fell through. Listen in as Jason and Nektarios continue the candid conversation they began years ago. Breaking Banks’ Killing It series isn’t just about startup failures; it’s about transitions and changes in identity. It’s about founders who sell successfully, only to see their dream owned by someone else. It’s about entrepreneurs who step away or are forced to. Killing It is about the journey of reinvention. This episode is a masterclass in entrepreneurship from a seasoned fintech founder, ecosystem builder, and mental health advocate.…

1 News From The Fintech Front: AI, Stablecoin Strategy & Fintech M&A 39:09
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In This Episode This week on Breaking Banks , Don Ginsel , host of our sister show Breaking Banks Europe , takes our mic and brings the conversation stateside. Don is joined by Nik Milanović , founder of This Week in Fintech , for a wide-ranging and energizing discussion of the latest forces shaping the fintech landscape. From the evolving role of traditional banks and increasing interest in stablecoins to the current state of fintech M&A , the rise of fraud, and the impact of AI on financial services, Don and Nik cover the topics on everyone’s mind. Whether you’re a founder, investor, or financial exec, this overview of the trends, risks, and opportunities is not to be missed.…

1 What The Future Looks Like in Finance and Fintech: Jo Ann Barefoot, Nick Hughes and Brett King Live From Virgin Unite 41:01
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In This Episode In a rare and inspiring crossover episode, Breaking Banks teams up with Barefoot Innovation to bring you a special dispatch from Necker Island, BVI. Hosted by Brett King and Jo Ann Barefoot, this episode captures the energy and insight of a one-of-a-kind fintech gathering organized by Virgin Unite: an event bringing together innovators from around the world, from a cross section of industry, exploring what the future of finance could (and should) look like. Podcasts hosts and speakers Brett and Jo Ann share their talks and insights from this carbon neutral event, connecting with Dr. Nick Hughes, OBE, father of M-Pesa, co-founder of M-Kopa and now Managing Director 4rdigital.com , the fourth revolution is digital, to cover all things fintech. Listen as these leaders discuss applications of fintech in other markets and all that is possible if we come out of our silos and collaborate — the combination of problem solving perspectives, resources, networks and more can make an impact on some of the world’s toughest challenges. We have the tech to do what we need to do, the potential is enormous! If you’re looking for inspiration and forward-thinking ideas this episode delivers!…

1 Insider Advice From A Serial Entrepreneur, Cokie Hasiotis 35:04
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In This Episode Killing It is back! Jason Henrichs’ series on banking and fintech entrepreneurs returns with Cokie Hasiotis In this episode of Breaking Banks, Jason Henrichs connects with Cokie, serial entrepreneur and exited founder of Twali and drippi. Cokie candidly shares her entrepreneurial journey, providing insights into the emotional challenges and tolls inherent in entrepreneurship, and the stress of pivoting business. She also reflects on how these experiences have shaped her, underscoring the significance of community, the importance of self-awareness and filtering advice from others. Tune in to hear more about identity as a founder, navigating loss, soft landings, and transitioning to new opportunities. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar6NpEoUw4Y…

1 Fintech Podcast Mashup: Breaking Banks x Fintech Daydreaming 47:30
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In This Episode This week on Breaking Banks , it’s a powerhouse podcast mashup you won’t want to miss. What happens when two leading voices in fintech join forces? You get a fast-paced, insight-packed conversation on the future of finance, banking innovation, and emerging technologies—recorded live in Finland. Breaking Banks host Brett King teams up with Pål Krogdahl and Ville Sointu, hosts of the Nordics’ #1 fintech podcast Fintech Daydreaming , for a high-level exploration of where the industry is headed next. In this episode, they dive into some of the most important developments shaping the future of financial services, including: *The rise of mobile money and how it’s reshaping economies *The role of digital identity in secure, seamless transactions *The concept of Q-Day and its long-term implications for cybersecurity in banking *Smart contracts and business process in an autonomous algorithmic marketplace *Agentic AI, KYM (Know Your Machine) and AI in Financial Transactions, and *A sneak peek at Brett’s upcoming book, Branch Tomorrow This wide-ranging conversation serves as both a primer and a deep dive into the innovations transforming fintech right now. Whether you’re tracking the next big trend or trying to stay ahead of digital disruption, this episode delivers high-value insights from three thought leaders at the forefront of change. Listen now and get future-ready! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_SjmoJZlY4…

1 Foiling the Invisible Heist: The New Banking Playbook to Land and Expand Commercial Relationships through Digital Banking 47:30
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In This Episode There’s something happening beneath the surface of every pizza order, every childcare payment, and every invoice sent by businesses across America. A quiet revolution that most people— sometimes even business owners themselves— have barely noticed. Traditional banks are being methodically extracted from the daily financial lives of businesses, replaced by something more streamlined, more embedded, as banking becomes just another node in a business operating system. We dug into those threats last episode on “The Invisible Heist”. This week, Jorge Garcia, Founder and CEO of Linker Finance, and Samer Saab, SVP of Product for Alloy Labs, join host JP Nicols and co-host Barb MacLean as we look at some viable options for banks to foil the heist and create a competitive response. We’ll look at the surprising opportunities sitting right in front of us, and how banks are rewriting the playbook to land and expand commercial customers through digital banking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX2D6ZE2DdM…

1 The Invisible Heist: How Software Companies Are Quietly Stealing Your Commercial Relationships 42:33
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In This Episode Banking executives, your business customers aren’t leaving you for another bank—they’re leaving banking altogether— at least partially. For now. As a part of our “Unbreak the Bank” series we dissect the most significant existential threat to community financial institutions since the 2008 crisis: the systematic extraction of business banking services into everyday business software. Community banks are hemorrhaging 12-18% of operational deposits annually to companies that don’t even consider themselves “banks”, and they’re moving upmarket. The competitive battlefield has shifted, and “relationship banking” is not enough to compete. Customers are integrating business solutions into their daily workflow, and banks risks being shut out altogether. Discover why the future isn’t about being the best business bank – it’s about being a relevant layer in the best business experience. Fintech Takes founder Alex Johnson and Velocita founder Barb MacLean join host JP Nicols to reveal how embedded lending is systematically dismantling banking relationships as Quickbooks, Square, Toast, and others integrate financial services directly into business workflows, and explore some options for how banks can respond. https://youtu.be/FV5wUyhng6c?si=KpsHDtG0V4rRXSWt…

1 Hot Takes on Banking Regulation, Standards, AI, and Fraud 36:38
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In This Episode Powered by U.S. Bank and recorded live at Fintech Xchange hosted by the Stena Center for Financial Technology, this episode dives into the most pressing issues shaping financial services today. In our first segment, Jason Henrichs chats with Sima Ghandi, Sr Advisor FS Vector, Co-Founder of Coalition of Financial Ecosystem Standards (CFES) and Phil Goldfeder, CEO American Fintech Council (AFC). AFC, a standards-based organization representing large financial technology (Fintech) companies and innovative banks, promotes a transparent, inclusive, and customer-centric financial system supporting innovation and access to responsible financial products. CFES is a new (2024) industry-led organization with the goal of developing standards that promote safety and soundness for non-banks participating in financial services. They cover: · The growing role of bank-fintech partnerships in innovation and growth, and expanding access to financial services. · The importance of clear risk management and compliance standards in maintaining operational and business viability in the fast-moving world of financial services Then, the conversation shifts to AI and fraud prevention as Jason speaks with John Sun, CEO of Spring Labs, and Simon Taylor, Head of Content & Strategy at Sardine. Sardine offers an AI risk platform for fraud, credit and compliance, and Spring Labs provides an AI-Native conversational intelligence platform that turns chatter into actionable insight. Together, they explore: · The future of financial services in a world increasingly reliant on automation and robots · The broader implications of AI and Generative AI in shaping the future of financial services From standards setting in banking and fintech to AI and fraud this episode delivers hot takes and expert insights on the opportunities, risks, and evolving landscape of financial technology. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBdMjPG1rvE…

1 Fintech Xchange ’25: Hot Takes into BaaS and the Future of Banking 52:08
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In This Episode This week, we bring you Part III of exclusive insights from Fintech Xchange '25 at the Stena Center for Financial Technology and the University of Utah, powered by U.S. Bank. Host Jason Henrichs engages in a dynamic discussion with Jason Mikula of Fintech Business Weekly and Chris Black, CEO & President of Thread Bank. Their conversation spans topics from Banking-as-a-Service (BaaS) and regulatory shifts under the new administration to the dual-edged nature of innovation in today's financial landscape. Chris delves into Thread Bank's unique transformation as it evolved from the historic Civis Bank—established in 1906—into a fintech-enabled community bank. In 2021, new leadership recapitalized and revitalized the institution by adopting an industrial approach to BaaS and launching Thread. Thread's goal is to deliver the unparalleled value of a community bank to individuals and businesses, leveraging intuitive technology to meet customers where they are. Maintaining two local branches, Thread is delivering on its mission of embedded banking -- deposits, loans, and payments, and exemplifies the integration of traditional banking services with modern embedded banking solutions. By transcending geographical limitations and focusing on scalable, durable models, Thread collaborates with partners to manage risks and capitalize on the strengths of partnership banking. In the second segment, University of Utah alumnus Rhett Roberts, CEO & Co-founder of LoanPro, joins "the Jasons" to discuss the evolving fintech ecosystem and APIs. Are they coming of age? Naturally they talk about cores, and how banks are in the process of conscious decoupling to build resilient infrastructures in order to weather future disruptions. Rhett shares LoanPro's journey from inception to powering some of the biggest lenders in fintech. LoanPro offers a scalable, API-first lending and credit platform that fosters innovation by streamlining origination, servicing, collections, and payments across various loan types, lines of credit, and credit cards. This narrative underscores the transformative impact of fintech solutions in modernizing financial services. Listen and watch to explore these compelling stories! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RC9Gt9PodA…

1 Hot Takes from Fintech Xchange: Diving Right in with U.S. Bank and Fintech Nexus 42:42
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In This Episode In this episode we continue the series powered by U.S. Bank and recorded at the University of Utah's Fintech Xchange. CAUTION: The episode is hot! Breaking Banks' Hot Takes host Jason Henrichs, regulars Alex Johnson (Fintech Takes) and Jason Mikula (Fintech Business Weekly) are joined by David Ness, U.S. Bank's SVP Innovation, R&D and Peter Renton, Fintech Nexus, Chairman & Co-Founder. The newcomers jump right in, going straight for Fintech on Fire (#11 on a scale of 1 - 10), and comfortably deliver hot takes from the hot seats, recapping major themes from the event, and making predictions as to what 2025 brings to our industry. Plenty of insights are shared and there's plenty for the risky spice-takers to tackle including BNPL (acronym for a popular industry term, of course, and also our new Burn Now Pay Later hot sauce). Two other clues as to what the group might have talked about....the RegTech Reaper and Stable Coin Scorch . Don't worry, there's plenty more where these came from! Listen now on your favorite podcast platform! It's a hot conversation, worth being in the room for...to catch the visuals check it out on YouTube (@provokefm and while you are there, hit subscribe)!…

1 Digital Banks and Founders Changing the World of Banking: bunq 32:41
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In This Episode This week we introduce you to a series profiling the digital banks and founders that are changing the world of banking. Focused on first hand accounts from founders all over the globe, the series chronicles the NeoBanking movement from the early days though to today, documenting the players building a new category of digital banking, reshaping the digital movement. Throughout our series we look at foundation stories, challenges each had, and the regulatory approach each took -- a look at the pioneering history of the neo and challenger bank movement. In this episode, Breaking Banks host Brett King connects with bunq's Founder & CEO. Ali Niknam. bunq is based in The Netherlands, a small country doing big things. bunq, bank of The Free, offers mobile banking that makes life easy for every new chapter in one's life, and for the digital nomad in everyone. Born out of Ali's interest in creating products that people like to use, bunq began in 2012 and its mobile app came out in 2015, all with the aim to help the world forward and do banking a little differently. bunq has brought lasting change to the European banking industry. Having built a product rooted in customer needs and wants, bunq quickly scaled to become the second largest neobank in the EU. Serving digital nomads across the European Economic Area, bunq makes life easy for location-independent people and businesses starting from the way they manage money: how they spend, save, budget and invest. On a mission to build the first global neobank for digital nomads, bunq announced its bid to enter the US market (April 2023) by applying for a banking license. It's an intriguing story, not to be missed! https://youtu.be/xflfJpM60NI?si=oKMhKcL13Q_eJM9s…

1 Breaking Banks at fintechXchange: Ecosystem Building & Hot Takes for 2025 57:08
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This week on Breaking Banks, we take you inside fintechXchange, hosted by the Stena Center for Financial Technology at the University of Utah. As a proud media partner of the event, we explore how industry, academia, and policymakers are coming together to drive the future of financial services.Host Jason Henrichs sits down with Meghan Kober, VP of Fintech Partnerships & Investments at U.S. Bank, Taylor Randall, President of the University of Utah, and Ryan Christiansen, Executive Director of the Stena Center for Financial Technology. Together, they discuss the power of ecosystem building, highlighting the incredible human capital fueling innovation: VCs, startups, and institutions of all sizes collaborating to shape the next wave of fintech growth and banking transformation. Then, it’s time for the first Hot Takes of 2025, recorded live from 'Silicon Slopes'! Alex Johnson (Fintech Takes) and Jason Mikula (Fintech Business Weekly) are back in the hot seats with Jason Henrichs to break down the latest fintech headlines with sharp insights and no-holds-barred opinions. They dive into: The latest in open banking, the CFPB and regulation The fate of BaaS Island, Synapse, and Patriot Bank’s BSA & AML challenges What really is possible with bankruptcy proceedings and what does it mean for fintech’s future This episode is packed with insight, energy, and hard-hitting discussions you won’t want to miss! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ-bdJNLu60…

1 Spotlight: Banker’s Bookshelf — Future Money 28:52
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In This Episode We are excited to introduce you to Provoke.fm's newest podcast....a-spinoff-of-a-spinoff of Breaking Banks. Bankers Bookshelf brings cutting edge banking and fintech research to life, sharing the stories and strategies behind financial innovation, bridging the gap between technology and finance -- a perfect fit for the Breaking Banks family! Host Paolo Sironi, global research leader in banking and financial markets at IBM Institute for Business Value, is a trailblazer in fintech himself. In this episode, Paolo connects with Ronit Ghose who runs the Future of Finance team in Citi's thought leadership unit "Citi Global Insights", and is the author of Future Money: Fintech, AI and Web 3. The world of money is rapidly changing, but what does it all really mean? The duo discuss insights from the book with Ronit bringing technical topics to vivid life via narrative deep dives into selected founders and their companies. From London to Lagos, via Ahmedabad, Dubai, Hong Kong, Karachi and more, this episode pulls together the story of how money is changing in the internet era. Subscribe to Bankers Bookshelf https://provoke.fm/show/the-bankers-bookshelf/ or listen via your preferred podcast platform now! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yp1E9Fs3rco…
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