Working to Afford Twins, Emergency C-Section, and Getting Babies on a Schedule with Kris Lloyd – Podcast 309

Dad's Guide to Twins

Episode 309 of the Dad’s Guide to Twins Podcast Show Notes

Today we continue our father of twins interview series with Kris Lloyd, father of non-identical girls. Listen as we explore his twin parenting journey, including:

• Found out at 8-9 weeks about twins
• Trouble free pregnancy and delivery
• Getting support from family and friends
• Hospitals were busy for regular scans and had to push for a plan.
• 37 weeks of pregnancy water broke, emergency c-section after about a day
• Dad was not allowed in room due to operation.
• Formula feeding babies
• Transitioning back to work
• When twins started crawling
• Slept through night since about 12 weeks
• Daily schedule for 9 month olds
• Started in parent’s room for first 6 months
• Time off with work 3 weeks (partner 8-9 months)
• Working Monday-Friday 60 hours a week and still staying connected with twins
• Didn’t need two jumpers, walkers, etc. as only one wanted to use it at the time.
• Childproofing the house now that twins are mobile
• and more…

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Podcast Transcript

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Joe: Today I would like to welcome to the show, Father of Twins, Kris Lloyd. Welcome to the show, Kris.

Kris: Hi.

Joe: Kris, how old are your twins right now and what’s something exciting about this age?

Kris: They are turning nine months old tomorrow and I’m finding that this is the age now where they’re starting to, you know, not so much just stay still now. One of my twins, Carly, she’s started crawling yesterday properly. My other twin, Casey, is now starting to try and crawl as well. They’re sort of more involved with everything now. They’re not just, you know, food, sleep. They’re not just basically just drinking their milk, going to sleep, and playing. They’re so involved now, and they’re becoming a real personality now and finding, “Yeah, that’s the best bit that’s happening right now is that I’m starting to realize they’re becoming a person. They’re in a weird way that may sound, they’re starting to have their own little personalities. The way that you’re starting to realize what they like and what they don’t like, what gets them happy, what makes them excited.

Joe: They’re very similar reactions. Like you mentioned likes and dislikes, are they similar or are they very different?

Kris: Similar with the likes and dislikes as in they both love weetabix and snacks and crisps like baby flavored crisps. They have the same dislikes, but as people, they are very different ones, very, like, Casey’s very much wants to be involved with everything, wants to play with everything, wants to get involved. Whereas Carly, my other twins, she’s very much, will sit back and, you know, sort of watch what’s going on and learn and then progress.

Joe: Are your twins identical or non identical?

Kris: Non identical. They’re DC, DA, I think the term is DC, DA twins. They’re non identical. And as they are getting a bit older now, I’m starting to realize big differences with them. They are very similar if you were to look at them and don’t see them every day. I feel like you would say, “Oh, they’re pretty similar.” But as a dad, I can tell them. That’s right. We spend so much time with our kids. We start to notice a lot of the differences really early.

Joe: What’s a typical daily schedule like for your nine-month-olds as far as sleeping, eating, stuff like that?

Kris: They’ve always been good at sleeping. They’ve always pretty much from about, I’d say about 12 weeks, they’ve always slept right through the night. We’ll give or take, you know, at the odd feed here and there, but not often. But now they tend to sleep from about half, six, seven o’clock at night until about, again, they normally wake up about four, half, four, have a bone, so you give them a dummy. I think, what is it you call them? America pacifiers.

Joe: Pacifier, yep.

Kris: Yep, you give them that and they will go doze back off then go back to sleep for about half six, until about half six, seven in the morning. So they sleep really well.

And I find that with twins, my partner finds this more, as she tells me, with twins, if you have a routine, it works a lot better for them and for you. They just seem to, they know if you go say five minutes past when they should be asleep, you know, because they kick off, they start crying get an upset so it’s they’re really really good really good like they they sleep until about half six seven o’clock most mornings they’ll go get up we’ll feed them a bottle we will then take them downstairs play they’ll have like you know a few slices of toast cut up and then they will go down for a sleep about half past half past nine ish roughly until about half past ten then quarter to 11. And then again, they wake up then play, have dinner, have another bottle near towards half one, half one issues when they’ll then go back down for another nap until about give or take three o’clock. And then again, wake up, play. And then they go, have a bath or a shower. And then they’re in bed then for six, half six and rinse and repeat the same routine.

Joe: Are they in your room with you?

Kris: No, they, from just before six months old, we’ve had them in a different room. First of all, they were together in our room for the first six months, but then, ’cause they outgrew the, the, the cot that they were in, we then had to separate them. And the only way we could separate them was putting them in their own cots. And the only place with enough room for that was in the, was in their room. So we obviously at that point separated them, pop them in their own cots.

Joe: You mentioned the importance of schedule and routine. Did you do something intentionally to help get that started in the early weeks and months with the twins?

Kris: It’s not so much me. I like to say as the father I’ve been, I only had three weeks off from work when they were born. Obviously my partner in the UK, the gentleman 10 forget three weeks off work paid and then the partner gets roughly eight, nine months off. So, but my partner is a, she works in childcare. She works in a nursery as a manager. So she knows the importance, you know, she works with children basically very all the time. So she knows routine is very important. So from the start, she was very, very, you know, she knew what she was doing. So she, we set the routine straight away and trying to keep them on routines. And as obviously they get older, have less sleep and have more feeds and then less feeds and then onto solid food so you know she’s honestly she’s brilliant with the routine but I feel like if you don’t have a routine it may be a bit sporadic with the two with two as well especially twins. Absolutely we learned early on as well just like you that if they were on a schedule things went a lot more easily for us than if we just let things happen randomly so it’s good that you had a good routine for them.

Joe: So does that mean that your partner’s back to work already or is she still home with the twins?

Kris: Yeah, she’s back to work now. She went back two weeks ago. She went back, so we’re paying, sorry, not paying. So the, we put them in nursery for on a Monday, oh sorry, yeah, a Monday and a Friday. We put them into nursery and then half day on the Wednesday ’cause my partner has a half day Wednesday, So she’s able to have them and then her mother looks after them on the Tuesday and the Thursday But over in the UK, I don’t know what it’s like in America I’ve never have never looked but it cost a lot of money to have people have people look after your children in childcare It’s costed it costs more Per month to have the my twins in childcare for two and a half days a week than it does for the house per month It’s it’s a lot of money

Joe: Yeah, that’s very common here. The pricing is ridiculous, especially when not just you, but other twin parents compares it to the taking care of the whole house for the month, it can get out of control.

Kris: That’s the thing. So the only way that I find, not the only way, but as a working-class family, we haven’t got millions in the bank, we haven’t had money passed down towards me and my partner. We work for what we have. So we found that we both have to work to be able to afford the childcare, to be able to afford the house. So I personally, I’m a truck driver, like a lorry driver. So I’m doing 60, 65, 70

hours a week away from home. I stay away from home Monday through to Friday. And I feel like, you know, that’s what I have to do to be able to earn the money to make sure my kids can have what they need when they grow up. when they grow up and you know, always have that support financially. And then my partner obviously is having to work as well to cover all the other costs. So it’s expensive, but it’s worth every second of it. I mean, yeah.

Joe: Are you able to come home at night from work? Are you traveling all across the. All across the United Kingdom, all over the country of Great Britain.

Kris: So no, I’m I tend to be away. I leave the house Monday morning and then I don’t come home till Friday afternoon.

Joe: Are you able to stay connected with your twins in any way?

Kris: FaceTime, it tends to be when my partner was off work, she’d FaceTime me throughout the day, but now she’s back in work. Obviously we FaceTime first thing in the morning when the kids wake up, so I can say good morning. And then we pretty much, I don’t see them then until when they come back from nursery or my partner comes home from work, and then I’ll speak to them then, and then they pretty much just go to bed. So at the moment I’m watching them grow up through a phone more than in person, but that’s just, as I feel like we have to do to make sure that they have a comfortable life and a comfortable upbringing.

Joe: Yeah, it does require some sacrifice from both parents. And sometimes that’s what it takes to make everything work with the family. How was the conversation with your partner’s about watching the twins was that always kind of the plan?

Kris: Yeah it was not always kind of the plan but her mother is absolutely fantastic she’s a very much a child-friendly person as in the whole the whole of my partner’s family is they are you know anything they can do they’ll do it to help and it was originally she was offering to have them all week so we never had to put them into nursery but we felt like if we put them into a nursery they will learn you They’ll be with other kids that are slightly older than them, slightly younger than them, and they will learn more skills and they will have social abilities. They will obviously, if there’s a kid that’s two months older than them, the kid might be crawling. And then in nursery, they will watch the other children, what they do, and then start either doing it themselves or looking into how to do it. And also with nursery, there is so much variety for what to do with the kids. There’s only so many times at home you can put them in walkers in bouncers or play with toys or read books. So I think with nursery it was sort of a we were pretty adamant they were going to go.

Joe: It sounds like a good balance where you have some time out of the home, some time with family and still able to manage all that. Let’s go back to when you found out that you would be having the twins. What was the situation like at that point? What was your reaction?

Kris: Well, we found out we were pregnant and then a few weeks later, I think that was around eight, nine weeks, it was very early on. A few weeks later, my partner had, we had some scares, some troubles. So we went to the hospital and I won’t lie, we expected the worst, expected to loss the baby and they did the scan for us to check to see if we had lost the baby and they turned around and said to us, “Right, don’t worry, your baby’s fine.” And the other one. And when we heard that, you felt panicking a bit. It’s a bit of a shock when you find out you’re having twins because it’s already daunting to know you’re having a child and then when you find out out you’re having too, you think, oh, it’s going to be double the cost, double the commitment. You know, you start to think the worst as in you won’t, are you going to be okay? But honestly, it’s once you get over that initial shock, honestly, it’s the best thing in the world. It is. It is. There’s a lot of shock and a lot of stress to try to figure everything out. But in the end, it’s a great joy to be a dad and to be a father of twins, for sure.

Joe: Could, how did the pregnancy go? Were there any complications or challenges there?

Kris: No, trouble three, the whole pregnancy. We seem to have been very lucky with the whole, the pregnancy and obviously up to nine months now we’ve had no

issues. It’s been, we’re one of the very lucky ones. The only problems we had, which I don’t know if it’s more, I think it’s more of a British thing is we, the hospitals are that busy. They don’t, it’s hard for them to get you in, you know to be able to have the regular scans and to be able to set a plan because they over here were meant to have a plan. I say over here in America you have the same you have a plan where you say right at 34 weeks you’re gonna have this scan 35 weeks this we want you to deliver around 37 weeks if that you know we want you to deliver to deliver the baby this way or that way or cesarean or natural or yeah but we we sort of didn’t have that because we were just being thrown pillar to post because it was twins and doctors were saying you know go to this doctor come to this doctor and yeah that was the only problem we really had as in as the pregnancy we had like say other than the scare at the very start we had no problems at all it was very smooth sailing so do you feel like you didn’t get enough uh scans enough attention because because of the twins it wasn’t you know it wasn’t a lot it was so much the attention but it’s we had a few scans but in the end i had to ring up the hospital and say look my partner needs a plan we need to know what we’re going to do that’s 37 weeks because that’s when obviously you’re meant to give birth to twins we need because it got to 35 and a half 36 weeks we still didn’t know whether we were going to go for a natural birth whether we’re going to have of the Caesarean, we didn’t know. And we’d had no advice on it. And we just, in the end, you had to ring up the hospital and then we’re still going through the means now of writing a formal complaint over it due to, well, if we didn’t have the fantastic support of our family and friends, we would probably be, probably been a lot scarier than what it was.

Joe: Yeah, I know. Having a plan, at least you kind of know to work towards and what to expect. So when it’s you’re trying to get everything lined up there for the birth of the twins, how far into the pregnancy did the twins make it? Did they make it to 37 weeks?

Kris: Yeah, 37 weeks to the dot. They arrived. Well, sorry, 36 weeks and six days the waters broke. We went into a hospital to have the waters broke anyway because my partner hadn’t started showing any signs of giving birth yet. So we went into the hospital to have the waters broke via medicine. And as we got to hospital to do that, naturally her waters broke. So it was about– it took just shy of a day. And in the end, we had to go for an emergency cesarean because there was– we had a few– not complications, but the babies just weren’t coming when they should have. and you only have a set amount of time from when you’re 10 centimeters. I can’t remember what the saying is now. It was a blur. It was a bitty day when you’re pretty much ready to give birth and the babies aren’t coming, especially with twins. It can stress the second twin out. So in the end, for the safest option, they said, right, we’ll just have a, uh, we’ll just do an emergency cesarean, which is quite scary in itself. Obviously my partner gets put under. She’s asleep. And then I wasn’t allowed in the room because it’s an operation. I’m not allowed to be in the room. So I had to be kicked out of the room. And when the first thing you have kids see when they, you know, when they open their eyes to the real world is just doctors in blue suits. They don’t see their mum or their dad. And I found that personally quite scary. And, you know, I can’t put the words to it. I found that quite, uh, worrying in a way because I wanted, you know, you want your kids, the first thing they see when they open their eyes to the world is one of their parents at least. But we, like I said, the doctors were fantastic at the time, the surgeons that helped. And as soon as the kids were born, they were cleaned up and brought straight to me in the waiting room. So and then about an hour later, my partner come around after the operation and we went over to her with the twins.

Joe: Wow, yeah, that is a crazy where you’re not allowed to see the birth. Is that because of the emergency nature of the operation or is every C-section like that?

Kris: You’ve got your

natural birth. You’ve then got your plantarian, which is, they plan it so they know 37 weeks at two o’clock they’re gonna cut you open, take the kids, take the kids out from the procedure. But an emergency one, it’s just a case of the panic operation. So it needs to be a sterile area. The surgeons need the room to operate because they need to be able to see if anything’s going on. And if something does go wrong, I think the last thing a surgeon probably wants is, you know, dad screaming down the road saying, you know, sort this out. They need to concentrate. So I think it’s more for safety than anything else, but, uh, which I understand, but as you can imagine, it’s, uh, it’s not, it’s not the best thing in the world when you get kicked out.

Joe: Yeah, that’s hard because yeah, you want to be there to support your partner. You want to be there to welcome the babies and to be separated. And then you’re just kind of sitting, waiting and waiting and waiting. You don’t know if everything has gone well with the operation, if everything hasn’t gone well. And next minute the door swings open and in comes a cart with you. You’re two beautiful baby daughters. Well, in my case, anyway, obviously twins come in male, female, female.

Kris: Yeah. But, you know, but yeah, my two, my two beautiful girls came through and yeah, it was a very emotional.

Joe: Was everyone able to recover and come home quickly from the hospital or did the girls, obviously the whole, the whole pregnancy was brilliant. She recovered. I think they say minimum you need to be in hospital is three days to three days, just so they can check that either twins are feeding and be that there’s no problems with my partner where she’s at the operation and you know, she’s back to full strength and the kids are at full strength. And by the time they’ve registered the children as born and done all the tests their eyes that he hears you two days anyway to do them all and test. So we came home just halfway through the second day and haven’t looked back since. It’s been well obviously other than yesterday I had to go to hospital but yeah no no it was it was all fine.

Joe: What did you have success with as far as feeding goes? Was was mom able to breastfeed or was Formula feeding, bottle feeding, what worked for you?

Kris: We went with formula feeding because it’s twins. We thought with a single baby, breastfeeding is easy. My partner did want to breastfeed if it was a single, but because it was twins, we just thought it’d be too much of a demand, A, on her body, and B, it might just weaken her recovery because all the nutrients she’s producing for the breast milk of nutrients she could be using to heal herself and get herself better and after the operation. So we just thought it’s the fafest and probably the best option for us is to go on to on to a formula.

Joe: Yeah, formula also gives us as dads a chance to participate in the feeding more than if mom was just exclusively breastfeeding. That’s one thing that I enjoyed when we were able to bottle feed our girls was I could actually participate more than if it was just my wife feeding them.

Kris: Yeah, you can help out if it’s been a long day, like you say, you can as the dad can feed and then give your partner time to go and have a cup of a cup of tea or, you know, just relax for two minutes. But like you say, if it is breastfeeding, it is pretty much, you know, only the mother can do it unless you pump breast pump into bottles. But again, that’s more effort.

Joe: So what do you remember about those early days with the infants at home? What were some of the challenges or things that were working at that time?

Kris: I found I remember more than anything how well I expected, you know, 24 hours a day to hear screaming, crying. The first couple of days, all the kids pretty much do is sleep, wake up for when they’re hungry. So you give them a ball and sleep again. I found it amazing how many times they actually feed when they’re just been born, how many times they actually feed, they have little and often. So every two to three hours they were having, I’m sure it was only one and a half, two ounces. But it was very quiet, I was expecting screaming, crying, but it was, I think because they were with each other as well, in a way they were sort of soothing each other. So it was, yeah, no, It was all right. You obviously hear all the horror stories, don’t you? Of

the first couple of days, babies don’t feed, they don’t scream. But like I say, we’ve been incredibly lucky and our girls fed when they showed, they slept when they showed. And yeah, I can’t I can’t give you any horror stories, I’m afraid for.

Joe: No, it’s good. It’s good to hear that not every pair of twins is a crazy situation. It’s wonderful to hear stories like yourself where pregnancy goes pretty well, delivery goes relatively smoothly, even though you did have an emergency there, but then babies come home and things go pretty normal. That’s very, that’s kind of good to share because otherwise people may get overwhelmed with all the potential horrible things that can happen, but that’s not always the case.

Kris: Yeah, I find that there’s a lot, you see a lot on social media of twin groups and it’s all scary this and my twins won’t do this and my twins won’t feed, my twins won’t sleep. And I sit there and I go, is it really, Is it really that bad and I’ve been incredibly lucky or is it just people are being having unlucky moments with their twins? But I know, honestly, I can’t complain. And the way that my my twins are, it’s a massive credit to their mother, like I say, because I was only home the first three weeks of the birth after the birth for it. So the way that they sleep, the routines they’re in, the progress they’ve made, I can only give credit to their mother. she’s been absolutely brilliant and an incredible partner as well to be around. Not only is it a difficult period for her and a difficult period for the kids, but it’s also a difficult period as the father. And honestly the support she’s given them children, the support she gives me, I can’t thank her enough. She’s brilliant.

Joe: That’s wonderful. Sounds like you have a wonderful partner. You mentioned you had also some great support from friends and family. How were they able to help maybe during the pregnancy or with the infants?

Kris: With the pregnancy, friends and family, again, the friends were more last minute support for myself and my partner, ’cause you do have, through any pregnancy, whether it’s single or twins, you have your days where you feel upset or you’re just not 100% there ’cause you’re worried about what if something happens in the future. So I found that friends were great for me anyway there. They would always calm me down and say, you know, it’s going to be fine. You’re going to be great. Don’t worry. And with family, it was always, especially my partner’s family, it was always anything she needed. She got it. If she, you know, all my feet are hurt, in next minute, her sister turns up with a foot bath or next minute, you know, her mother turns up with some cream to help her feet. And it’s just, it’s a big team effort. It’s a massive family. In a way, you know, they welcomed me in, to welcome the twins in straight away. And it’s just, yeah, they are brilliant. The whole family are absolutely fantastic.

Joe: That’s wonderful. That’s wonderful to have such a great support network. How was the transition from, you said you had about three weeks off of work and then you had to go back on the road again, driving. How was that transition, leaving mom at home with the kids? And how did that work out?

Kris: Well, luckily just before she fell pregnant, I took a different job where I was home at night. I was still trucking, but I was only locally. So I was home every night. But the transitional period in the day was difficult because you’re used to seeing your kids and being there. And it just stops. You have to go out and work. But I found that I have to put myself in the mindset of, I’m doing this for my kids. So, and then it does, you know, in a way it’s not as bad when you go to work, then you don’t overthink things because you’re doing this to be able to provide. Um, it’s only recently with the nursery costs that I’ve had to start working away, um, full time going away again because the nursery costs are that much. And, um, with my partner going back to work, we didn’t really have much of a choice.

Joe: So when you were home at night, would you and your partner get up in the night to take care of them? Or did you take turns or work for you?

Kris: Yeah, it was more at the start, it was me and my partner. We’d get up, I’d feed one, she’d feed the other at the very start and as we

‘ve got a bit, as I’ve gone back to work and we’ve got a bit older, sorry, the kids have got a bit older, she’s more done the night feeds. So I can get some sleep because the last thing anyone needs to be behind the wheel of a 44 ton truck and be tired, dozing it off asleep, it’s not safe, is it? So this is what I mean by, when I say she’s been absolutely fantastic, she understands that. So she’s been very supportive and she’ll look after the twins at night and just let me get some sleep. She can sleep in the day when they’re asleep.

Joe: Has there been any kind of baby gear or supplies have made life a little bit easier at your home?

Kris: What we found is, I don’t know if every family is like this, but we don’t put our children in front of the television if we can help it. We try and keep them away from TV, especially the first, obviously the first couple of months, they’re not interested anyway. But when they start to look around, I’ve seen a lot of people say, “Oh, my child wouldn’t sleep tonight. She wouldn’t go to bed early, but you know, we watch TV for four hours And you know, we don’t as a family. We don’t agree with that. We want to spend time with them So but now we’re at the age where they are nine months. I feel like at the end of the night, you know when mum’s tired I’m tired We can put the tv on for half an hour say watch one child’s episode of not learning numbers or something like my miss rachel and It just gives you that little break. So in my opinion, if I was to give any advice, I’d say keep the TV away from them until you absolutely need that little break for half an hour. Um, again, with twins, it’s just a case of you buy. I found that we bought two of everything to walkers, to jumpers, to, you know, to everything, but they won’t want to do it at the same time. So I found that the second one hardly got used much because they, you know, with the walker, they now obviously with the walkers, they’re both in them because they’re walking, but more with the jumpers, they don’t jump a roof. They’re called the only one of them wants to go in at a time. And then the other one that isn’t in it wants to be in the exact one that they’re twin sisters in. So you just found the other one just sit there. Yeah, you could have two of everything, but they always want the same exact. They always want the same thing. Exactly. Yeah. So, I mean, that was useful. We’ve got a Tommy sippy prep machine, which was it does the bottles for you You know, you put eight ounces eight scoops of powder in it for the formula and it it makes the bottle for you. We found that was Brilliant, especially for the night feeds because you don’t have to go downstairs boil the kettle let it cool down You know and then wait for them to wake up whereas as soon as we knew that they were hungry they cry, press the button, make the bottles straight away instantly and they’re the perfect temperature. So definitely 100% I’d recommend a Tommy Tippie or some sort of prep machine, just especially for the night feeds because it does help out a lot. Other than that, as we’re finding out now, lots of baby gates because now they’re on the move, they are everywhere.

Joe: Yeah, as far as childproofing the house and making it safe, what does kind of surprise you that you needed to do?

Kris: It’s pretty much everything. Every floor has to be covered with something soft. We’ve got a laminated floor downstairs. So it’s not solid, but it’s not soft. So obviously, we’ve got rugs and we’ve just bought a big massive play map for there because they’ve got their own room in the back of the house called a play room, full of their toys, their walkers, everything. You have to cover everything. any, not even just sharp, any sort of, anything that sticks out has to be covered. Everything that could be pulled off has to be pushed out the way so they can’t reach it. It is, you have to turn your house into a bouncy castle basically.

Joe: That’s true. They seem to discover places and things that you did not know were in your house.

Kris: Things I didn’t even know existed. Like I can’t, if I, when we feed them their tea, they have little cups of water afterwards to help, you know, put, um, to give them a drink. They’ll find them cups of water anywhere in the house,

and they will grab hold of them and they will take the lids off and they’ll find a way to get the whole crew all over the floor.

Joe: Yeah. The fun never stops with, uh, the kids, especially once they start crawling, which is the stage of life that you’re in right now. So good luck. Cause it’s super mobile.

Kris: That’s it now. Now, well now they’re super mobile. Like you say, they’re, They’re everywhere now. They seem to have newfound confidence now. They’re trying to climb on everything, climb onto the sofa. They’re trying to climb up the TV stand. And it’s a full-time job watching them now.

Joe: That it is. Well, Chris, as we wrap up the show today, if listeners want to connect with you, what’s the best way to reach out?

Kris: My partner has an Instagram for the twins. It’s called the Lloyd twins. that’s T-H-E-L-L-O-Y-D twins. And you’ll see the profile picture on it. It’s me, my partner and the two Gorgeous Girls. That’s probably the best way. She posts on there daily, two, three, four times a day, pictures of them, pictures of us, what we’re getting up to. And I feel like, you know, it’d be nice for people to see day-to-day life as twins. It’s not all doom and gloom because we don’t have that. As I say, it’s all on there. It’s always good things. If you ever need, anyone ever needs to message us about any questions about anything that I’ve said, or you’re direct to my partner who, like I say, controls most of it. So it would be, yeah, more than welcome to help, more than happy to help.

Joe: Excellent, thank you for sharing that. Chris, we really were grateful for your time today. Thank you for coming on the show.

Kris: Not a problem at all. Thank you for having me.

Joe: I hope you enjoyed that conversation with Chris about his adventures as a father of twins. If you wanna connect with Chris, I’ll link up to his Instagram in the show notes for this episode. You can go to the archive of all episodes, including this one, directly by going to twindadpodcast.com. Once again, that’s twindadpodcast.com. If you would like to share your story like Chris did today on the show, I would love to hear from you. You can reach out to me on Instagram or X. My handle is @twindadjo. Also, I’m on Facebook.com/dadsguidetowins or you can email me directly, [e-mail], and I would love to hear from you. Again, today’s show is brought to you by my second book for dads of twins. It’s called “Dad’s Guide to Raising Twins, “How to Thrive as a Father of Twins.” You can get this book for yourself at raisingtwinsbook.com. And if you found this episode enjoyable, would you do me a favor and share it with another dad that you know that may be expecting or raising twins? I would really appreciate it. Thanks so much, and I’ll see you next time.

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