161 - Community evacuation with Enrico Ronchi and Max Kinateder

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How do you know when it’s time to make your next big career move? With International Women’s Day around the corner, we are excited to feature Avni Patel Thompson, Founder and CEO of Milo. Avni is building technology that directly supports the often overlooked emotional and logistical labor that falls on parents—especially women. Milo is an AI assistant designed to help families manage that invisible load more efficiently. In this episode, Avni shares her journey from studying chemistry to holding leadership roles at global brands like Adidas and Starbucks, to launching her own ventures. She discusses how she approaches career transitions, the importance of unpleasant experiences, and why she’s focused on making everyday life easier for parents. [01:26] Avni's University Days and Early Career [04:36] Non-Linear Career Paths [05:16] Pursuing Steep Learning Curves [11:51] Entrepreneurship and Safety Nets [15:22] Lived Experiences and Milo [19:55] Avni’s In Her Ellement Moment [20:03] Reflections Links: Avni Patel Thompson on LinkedIn Suchi Srinivasan on LinkedIn Kamila Rakhimova on LinkedIn Ipsos report on the future of parenting About In Her Ellement: In Her Ellement highlights the women and allies leading the charge in digital, business, and technology innovation. Through engaging conversations, the podcast explores their journeys—celebrating successes and acknowledging the balance between work and family. Most importantly, it asks: when was the moment you realized you hadn’t just arrived—you were truly in your element? About The Hosts: Suchi Srinivasan is an expert in AI and digital transformation. Originally from India, her career includes roles at trailblazing organizations like Bell Labs and Microsoft. In 2011, she co-founded the Cleanweb Hackathon, a global initiative driving IT-powered climate solutions with over 10,000 members across 25+ countries. She also advises Women in Cloud, aiming to create $1B in economic opportunities for women entrepreneurs by 2030. Kamila Rakhimova is a fintech leader whose journey took her from Tajikistan to the U.S., where she built a career on her own terms. Leveraging her English proficiency and international relations expertise, she discovered the power of microfinance and moved to the U.S., eventually leading Amazon's Alexa Fund to support underrepresented founders. Subscribe to In Her Ellement on your podcast app of choice to hear meaningful conversations with women in digital, business, and technology.…

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Is evacuation of a community during a wildfire largely different from evacuation of a building? How much of the knowledge from the building fires is directly useful in planning and managing such an event, and what stuff is completely different? These are the lead questions for my today's interview with prof. Enrico Ronchi from Lund University and dr Max Kinateder from National Research Council Canada.

Both guests currently research the evacuation layer of the WUI problem – starting with the response of the endangered people, through choice of the mode of the transport, to solving the transportation models of such evacuations. A multilayered, multifaceted and interdisciplinary challenge, but one we need to have a good understanding of if we want to deliver good risk based, knowledge informed guidance for communities at risk.

In this episode, we got through their research pinpointing the difference between the building and a community evacuation. We touch the methods of research that are currently in used, and what kind of models they can inform. Finally, we get to talk about their recent experimental study during a fire drill in Roxborough Park, Colorado. This has literally happened a few days ago, and we can already discuss the challenges, and the first ‘anecdotal’ findings of the study.

Becoming open to the WUI problem and learning the challenges that are in front of us in this regard is critical to fire safety engineering, especially at the time when we observe Wildfire Safety Engineering becoming more of a real thing! I foresee that in future, a lot of us will work in the wildfire prevention / mitigation/contingency space, and I hope you will appreciate the fact you’ve learned it first from the Fire Science Show!

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Chapters

1. Community and Building Evacuation Dynamics (00:00:00)

2. Methods for Studying Wildfire Evacuation (00:14:33)

3. Wildfire Evacuation Behavior and Planning (00:19:32)

4. Community Evacuation Drill Benefits (00:31:34)

5. Interdisciplinary Challenges in Wildfire Research (00:46:42)

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161 - Community evacuation with Enrico Ronchi and Max Kinateder

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published about a year ago

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The Fire Science Show is produced by the Fire Science Media in collaboration with OFR Consultants. Thank you to the podcast sponsor for their continuous support towards our mission.

Chapters

1. Community and Building Evacuation Dynamics (00:00:00)

2. Methods for Studying Wildfire Evacuation (00:14:33)

3. Wildfire Evacuation Behavior and Planning (00:19:32)

4. Community Evacuation Drill Benefits (00:31:34)

5. Interdisciplinary Challenges in Wildfire Research (00:46:42)

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193 - Fire Fundamentals pt. 15 - Extinguishing systems with Bogdan Racięga 53:09

1 hour ago53:09

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Welcome to another Fire Fundamentals. This time the episode is focused on various extinguishing technologies. Invited guest - Bogdan Racięga, Director at Baltic Fire Laboratory and expert in fire protection systems breaks down the fundamental differences between suppression and extinction technologies and how they work in real-world applications. Clear distinction between suppression systems (control fires while meeting temperature criteria) and extinction systems (must completely extinguish fires) Types of fire protection systems including water-based (sprinkler, water mist), foam, aerosol, and gas systems (no fire-balls :)) Technical parameters affecting performance: K-value, nominal working pressure, RTI, discharge areas Areas of application, eg. why water mist systems can often be preferred for high-rise buildings due to smaller piping and reduced weight How temperature ratings and RTI affect sprinkler activation timing and performance Challenges with concealed sprinklers including maintenance issues and delayed activation Testing procedures for water distribution patterns and certification processes Differences between high-pressure and low-pressure systems in various applications nuances related to the role of an accredited laboratory (ISO 17025) and a certification body (ISO 17065) ---- The Fire Science Show is produced by the Fire Science Media in collaboration with OFR Consultants. Thank you to the podcast sponsor for their continuous support towards our mission.…

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192 - Fire Fundamentals pt. 14 - Jet fan systems for car parks 42:01

7 days ago42:01

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Jet-fan systems effectively control smoke in car parks by creating directed airflows that transport smoke from one point to another, similar to how longitudinal ventilation works in tunnels. These systems offer cost-effectiveness and simplicity by eliminating ductwork while providing powerful smoke management capabilities when properly designed and understood. • Jet Fans create momentum transfer through air entrainment rather than directly moving smoke • Two distinct operational modes exist: smoke clearance (reducing thermal stress) and smoke control (maintaining clear firefighter access) • Systems require careful balancing of extraction capacity with Jet Fan thrust force • Optimal design typically requires CFD modeling followed by hot smoke testing for verification • Jet Fan activation timing presents challenges for evacuation - usually delayed until occupants exit • Systems excel in tunnel-like geometries but struggle with complex layouts (the "Tetris rule") • Particularly effective against heavier-than-air gases like LPG or EV battery fire emissions • European standards now available through EN 12101 family for design guidance If you need design assistance with Jet Fan systems for your projects, email me directly at w.wegrzynski@itb.pl. Further reading: - Jet-Fan Systems in Car Parks Design Methods: an Overview and Assessment of Performance - Our in-depth multiparametric study on car park ventilation - A. Król and M. Król, Study on numerical modeling of jet fans - Thunderhead's guide to modelling jet-fans in FDS ---- The Fire Science Show is produced by the Fire Science Media in collaboration with OFR Consultants. Thank you to the podcast sponsor for their continuous support towards our mission.…

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191 - Committee participation with Birgitte Messerschmidt and Kees Both 57:23

14 days ago57:23

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This episode explores the invaluable contributions of community participation in fire safety technical committees. Joining committees is not just about sharing expertise; it’s a journey that transforms careers and fosters growth. Our guests, Birgitte Messerschmidt and Kees Both, reveal how their experiences in various committees, including the NFPA, ISO, ASTM and CEN, have shaped their professional paths. As we dive deeper into the intricacies of committee politics, our guests candidly share the challenges and rewards of engaging in this important work. They emphasize how participating in committees enhances one's career and contributes to the greater good by improving fire safety standards. This is an essential discussion for any engineer, especially those starting their careers, as they navigate the complexities of working with diverse stakeholders. If you just felt inspired to join a committee, please look here: https://www.sfpe.org/membership-communities/standingcommittees https://www.nfpa.org/for-professionals/codes-and-standards/standards-development/technical-committees/committees-seeking-members https://www.cencenelec.eu/get-involved/small-and-medium-enterprises-smes/tools-for-smes/getting-involved/ Or just shoot us an email, or reach out at LinkedIn. We will help you out! ---- The Fire Science Show is produced by the Fire Science Media in collaboration with OFR Consultants. Thank you to the podcast sponsor for their continuous support towards our mission.…

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190 - Car park fires review with Zahir 51:40

21 days ago51:40

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With the emergence of electric vehicles, fire safety and dynamics have entered a new domain, raising crucial questions about existing protocols, design fires and data gaps. Today, our Wojciech Wegrzyński welcomes Zahir, Associate Prof. at University Putra Malaysia, to discuss the findings from their latest papers, compare methodologies, and highlight the differences between traditional combustion engines and electric vehicles. The conversation covers various topics, from the nuances of fire dynamics to the importance of context in risk assessment. Zahir shares his extensive experience studying vehicle fires, including the evolution of electric vehicle dynamics that users should never ignore. With thought-provoking insights, this episode emphasises the increasing need for robust, comprehensive data regarding car fires and the unique challenges posed by electric vehicles. Join us in this engaging exploration of fire safety science, and don't forget to subscribe, share, and leave a review! Papers! PAPERS: Miechówka & Węgrzyński: Systematic Literature Review on Passenger Car Fire Experiments for Car Park Safety Design Zahir & César Martín-Gómez: Evaluating Fire Severity in Electric Vehicles and Internal Combustion Engine Vehicles: A Statistical Approach to Heat Release Rates Podcast episode 135 - Contemplating a car park design fire (and the paper by J. Hodges from last year is here ) --- Badania przedstawione w odcinku podcastu omawiane przez dr Wojciecha Węgrzyńskiego przeprowadzono w projekcie realizowanym an podstawie umowy UMO-2020/37/B/ST8/03839 do projektu badawczego nr 2020/37/B/ST8/03839 pt. Skutki oddziaływania wiatru na pożary budynków w wieloparametrycznej ocenie ryzyka z wykorzystaniem metod numerycznych. ---- The Fire Science Show is produced by the Fire Science Media in collaboration with OFR Consultants. Thank you to the podcast sponsor for their continuous support towards our mission.…

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189 - Simple things that work 42:20

28 days ago42:20

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This episode emphasises the value of focusing on simple things in fire safety engineering, something we somehow miss when we go too deep into the technical details of our projects. I've looked at eight different aspects of fire safety - inspired by the CPR requirements, and I've added resiliency, redundancy and suppression to them. By promoting straightforward guidelines like evaluating material combustibility, ensuring effective egress routes, and engaging with rescue services, architects and engineers can significantly enhance building safety practices. In this episode, we talk about: • Simple methods yield effective fire safety solutions • Importance of adhering to foundational fire safety principles • CPR’s five essential requirements for construction safety • Load-bearing capacity and material combustibility considerations • Strategies for minimising fire spread between structures • Importance of clear egress pathways for building occupants • Opportunities for enhancing rescue team safety via communication • Emphasis on redundancy and resiliency in fire safety systems Each foundational principle allows fire safety practitioners to implement effective strategies that can lead to safer buildings and improved occupant outcomes. ---- The Fire Science Show is produced by the Fire Science Media in collaboration with OFR Consultants. Thank you to the podcast sponsor for their continuous support towards our mission.…

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188 - Fire Fundamentals pt. 13 - Porous solid fuels 57:06

5 weeks ago57:06

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In this episode of Fire Fundamentals, together with Dr Sara McAllister, we dwell on how stuff burns... And it is far from an easy question. While the general theme of the episodes is porous fuels, we discuss them from different angles, highlighting the similarities and differences between foamed and permeable materials. In this episode, we cover: role of permeability, entrainment and forced flows through porous fuel beds; differences in physical properties between porous materials and their bulk forms; ignition (flaming and smouldering) of porous fuels; natural and artificial fuels, open and closed cell fuels; hazards specific to porous fuels in wildfires and in building fires; And also a bit of discussion on future research of Dr McAllister along with the need for canonical tests to characterize their flammabaility. ---- The Fire Science Show is produced by the Fire Science Media in collaboration with OFR Consultants. Thank you to the podcast sponsor for their continuous support towards our mission.…

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187 - Smouldering of preserved timber with Wenxuan Wu 54:32

6 weeks ago54:32

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Can a tiny amount of bio-protective coating completely change the fire behaviour of mass timber logs? If you asked me that some time ago, I would say it would probably be neutral. Can a 0.5 x 0.5 m free-standing log of timber smoulder through without any external exposure to fire? If you asked me that some time ago, I would say no, and base that on observations of dozens of logs like this. Yet, in Australia they’ve burned. And the hypothesis was that it has something to do with the preservative treatment. My guest today, Wenxuan Wu from The University of Queensland was tasked with researching this problem and showed us the workshop used for this. In this podcast episode, we dive deep into measurements carried out in fire laboratories on the material scale and how use of different methods gradually increases our understanding of the problem. Their pursuit also opened new questsions - for example, why if timber would be subject to a very strong heat flux, the smouldering would not work anymore? This was also answered in the discussion. If you would like to learn more about Wenxuan’s research, please refer to the published papers: Experimental study on the factors affecting smouldering behaviour of CCA-treated wood Deactivation of chromated copper arsenate as a catalyst in smouldering of wood Also, this talk summarises the best poster at ITB-FRISSBE Summer School. What an event that was. Once again, we would like to thank our sponsors for that! https://www.itb.pl/2024-summer-school/ ---- The Fire Science Show is produced by the Fire Science Media in collaboration with OFR Consultants. Thank you to the podcast sponsor for their continuous support towards our mission.…

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186 - Egressibility: a paradigm shift in evacuation research with Enrico Ronchi 1:01:58

7 weeks ago1:01:58

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If we truly want to account for the population at a disadvantage in evacuation, there is only this much we can do with the current approach... Pre-evacuation time distributions, walking speeds, and so on only tell us a part of the story - the story of your average person within an average population, with an average walking speed and average response. While these models are undoubtedly useful in engineering, there is perhaps a better way. My friend and guest Enrico Ronchi is trying to find this way through his new ERC Consolidator grant, "Egressibility: a paradigm shift in evacuation research". In this grant, instead of following the main path, he is focusing on stuff we do not know - how to characterise disabilities and understand them better (also through the lens of health and medicine), how to quantify the disadvantages at large, and how to solve potential issues for those who those at the largest risk. In this episode, you will learn about Enrico's ideas and the edge of the knowledge we have today. Some key points covered are: • Insights on paradigm shifts in evacuation science • Introduction of the concept of "egressibility" • Importance of understanding functional limitations in emergencies • Shift from agent-based models to inclusive data-driven models • Use of technology, like VR, for immersive research experiences • Need for changes in regulations for better evacuation safety You may also like to read the paper by Guylène Proulx, which introduced egressibility as a concept - available here. ---- The Fire Science Show is produced by the Fire Science Media in collaboration with OFR Consultants. Thank you to the podcast sponsor for their continuous support towards our mission.…

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185 - Recap on wildfire science 1:05:09

8 weeks ago1:05:09

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In the aftermath of the LA Pacific Palisades Fire, I've decided that instead of inviting one expert to discuss the event, I will give a voice back to those who already participated in the Fire Science Show and explained this fire (months and years before it happened). In this episode, we recap Wildland-Urban Interface fires, with a focus on the "urban" part. We cover conditions in which such fires may happen and factors that contribute. We discuss the role of community preparedness and pathways in how those fires "attack" individual households. We talk a lot about embers and some ideas on how to mitigate them. Finally, we discuss the evacuation from WUI fires. Some politics, a lot of science, decent amount of answers to most urgent questions. I hope you will enjoy! Episodes and speakers featured in this podcast: 069 - Challenging fires at the wildland-urban interface (WUI) with Michael Gollner 117 - Global wildfire emergency and the key role of FSEs with Albert Simeoni 156 - Trigger Boundaries with Harry Mitchell and Nick Kalogeropoulos 159 - The WUI Problem with Michele Steinberg and Birgitte Messerschmidt 161 - Community evacuation with Enrico Ronchi and Max Kinateder You can always find current episodes on wildfires at https://www.firescienceshow.com/category/wildfires-wui-and-wind/ The history of Japanese urban fires is covered in the paper Large Urban Fires in Japan: History and Management by Yoshioka H. et al. Cover image credit: By Toastt21 - Own work, CC BY-SA 4.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=157682430 From the Wikipedia summary of the LA Palisades Fire at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palisades_Fire ---- The Fire Science Show is produced by the Fire Science Media in collaboration with OFR Consultants. Thank you to the podcast sponsor for their continuous support towards our mission.…

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184 - Cost-benefit analysis in structural fire safety with Thomas Gernay and Chenzi Ma 1:00:52

9 weeks ago1:00:52

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This episode delves into the financial aspects of fire safety in building design, highlighting the balance between cost and effectiveness. My guests - prof. Thomas Gernay and Chenzi Ma from Johns Hopkins University share insights from their NIST-sponsored research project on cost-benefit analysis and loss estimation for structural fire safety. In the discussion, we explore the differences between prescriptive and performance-based approaches, discussing insights from a comprehensive analysis of over 130 structures and how to better allocate resources for passive fire protection measures. In this episode, we cover: • Understanding fire safety costs in construction • Insights on prescriptive vs. performance-based design • The importance of maintenance and lifecycle cost assessments • Analyzing fragility functions for predicting fire damage • Cost dynamics across different building occupancy types • Future developments for implementing this analytical framework in practice Please find here useful links about the project: Paper 1 on the costs: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0143974X24000671? Paper 2 on the numerical model of the NIST tests on composite floors: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S037971122400095X Paper 3 on the fragility curves (freshly accepted): https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0951832025000237 Github: https://github.com/Chenzhi-Ma/web_v2 ---- The Fire Science Show is produced by the Fire Science Media in collaboration with OFR Consultants. Thank you to the podcast sponsor for their continuous support towards our mission.…

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183 - Innovation and fire safety with Vincent Brannigan 1:00:25

10 weeks ago1:00:25

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History repeats itself. A new thing is invented. We learn about it, understand it, and apply measures to capture its behaviour and regulate it. And then another new thing is invented. The measures we used start failing us, and the cycle repeats all over again. It is not a story of fire safety; it is a story of humanity. Similar cycles can be observed in all aspects of technology. One could call them Innovation Blind Spots after Prof. Rein; in science, you could call them paradigm shifts after Prof. Kuhn. Regardless, these cycles are the frame we work in, and we need to learn to handle them. In fire safety, they are often a cause of major disasters. In this podcast episode, I once again interview prof. Vincent Brannigan. Vincent has spent a large part of his career studying the limiting factors of innovation in fire science and its regulation. This podcast is framed after a lecture Vincent delivered 15 years ago, which can be accessed here: https://www.fireseat.eng.ed.ac.uk/sites/fireseat.eng.ed.ac.uk/files/images/02-Brannigan.pdf It is an engaging read, I recommend going through it after the podcast episode! ---- The Fire Science Show is produced by the Fire Science Media in collaboration with OFR Consultants. Thank you to the podcast sponsor for their continuous support towards our mission.…

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182 - Bias in fire research 45:04

13 weeks ago45:04

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Fire is a highly contextualized problem; therefore, there is no such thing as an unbiased or "objective" fire experiment. It is a thing that many researchers would understand but is very rarely pointed out. Where it is not a problem for fire science (more like a 'feature'), it may become one when the results of scientific experiments are directly applied to real-world engineering cases. In this episode, I cover biases in research, from general ones to highly specific fire safety engineering biases. The list is long, we cover: selection bias confirmation bias measurement/instrumentation bias publication bias observer bias sampling/data analysis bias conflicts of interests We also discuss the contextual nature of fire and fire science related to architecture, fuel, ignition, and environmental conditions. We cover experimental design and measurement techniques. While showcasing all those possible sources of uncertainty and error, it is important to highlight that the science is generally very reliable—you just need to know how to use it. This is the final episode of 2024, so thank you very much for being here with the Fire Science Show and see you back on the Jan 8th 2025!!! Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all of you! ---- The Fire Science Show is produced by the Fire Science Media in collaboration with OFR Consultants. Thank you to the podcast sponsor for their continuous support towards our mission.…

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181 - Regulatory regimes with Vincent Brannigan 57:20

14 weeks ago57:20

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I just drove 500 km to have a conversation with Professor Vincent Brannigan from the University of Maryland, a very unique expert who combines law with fire engineering. In this discussion, we go into the complexities of building codes and fire safety, comparing traditional design methods (prescriptive) with performance-based designs (and all the stuff in between them). Through anecdotes and historical fire incidents, we highlight the impact of these systems on societal safety, economic development, and international trade. Vincent's unique background in both law and technology provides a rich perspective on how fire safety regulations have evolved to meet contemporary challenges. In the episode, we explore the ongoing shift from politically validated regulations to those grounded in technical knowledge. This transition parallels developments in fields like medicine, necessitating a higher level of precision and expertise in ensuring public safety. We also tackle the thorny issue of global standardization, examining how experiential knowledge and political influences shape fire safety laws worldwide. Finally, the episode dives deep into the challenges of balancing innovation and compliance in building safety. With examples from the world of hotels, airports and tall buildings, we discuss the role of engineers and regulators in navigating complex safety landscapes. Historical case studies, like the Triangle Shirtwaist fire, serve as poignant reminders of the stakes involved. Listen in for a thought-provoking exploration of risk analysis, regulatory negotiations, and the constant evolution of fire safety standards as we seek to protect lives and foster innovation. ---- The Fire Science Show is produced by the Fire Science Media in collaboration with OFR Consultants. Thank you to the podcast sponsor for their continuous support towards our mission.…

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180 - Fire Fundamentals pt. 12 - Pressurization systems 48:20

15 weeks ago48:20

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In this episode of fire science fundamentals, we cover the pressurisation systems. These are smoke control solutions used to prevent smoke from accessing protected spaces, by creating an overpressure in those spaces. Although the idea is very simple, its execution is far from that. Pressurization systems need to work in two distinct states – when all doors to the protected space are closed (over pressurization state), and when some openings are open (flow-path state). In this episode, we cover: · What are pressurization systems and why do we use them in buildings; · Static and dynamic pressure; · Pressurization systems as part of the smoke control strategy; · Old-type mechanical systems, and novel active control systems; · Role of vestibules/lobbies in resiliency strategy; · Practical examples of use; · Testing and certification. Further recommended resources are: · Episode 47 with Grzegorz Sypek – Effective pressurization, https://www.buzzsprout.com/admin/1735815/episodes/10466514-047-effective-pressurization-of-compartments-with-grzegorz-sypek · Episode 116 – Natural and mechanical smoke control https://www.buzzsprout.com/admin/1735815/episodes/13493605-116-fire-fundamentals-pt-4-natural-and-powered-smoke-vents-with-wojciech · Episode 136 – Fire Automation in a building https://www.buzzsprout.com/admin/1735815/episodes/14325679-136-fire-fundamentals-pt-6-the-fire-automation-in-a-building · Węgrzyński & Antosiewicz - Autonomous Sensor-Driven Pressurization Systems: Novel Solutions and Future Trends, book chapter I’ve referred to in the episode. https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-98685-8_11 ---- The Fire Science Show is produced by the Fire Science Media in collaboration with OFR Consultants. Thank you to the podcast sponsor for their continuous support towards our mission.…

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179 - Assurance in fire safety with Abhishek Chhabra 57:48

16 weeks ago57:48