Episode 185-Murphy’s Racist Gun Laws EXPOSED!

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Gun Lawyer Episode 185

SUMMARY KEYWORDS

new jersey, blacks, law, guns, second amendment rights, denials, gun laws, glock, firearms, gun, great,

attorney general’s office, chiefs, gun rights, find, john, rights, deals, folks, nra

SPEAKERS

John Petrolino, Evan Nappen, Speaker 3

Evan Nappen 00:00

Hi. I’m Evan Nappen, and welcome to Gun Lawyer. Well, I’m very happy today because we have a very

special guest on the show. That person is a good friend of mine and really one of my favorite gun

writers. You know, we talk about gun rights. Then there are folks who write about gun rights. So, there

are gun writers on gun rights. John Petrolino is an excellent gun writer. (https://johnpetrolino.com) I

read all his stuff, and I strongly suggest that you do the same. John is on the show today because we

wanted to discuss one of his latest articles that I think is extremely important. So, John, welcome to

Gun Lawyer.

John Petrolino 01:15

Hello Evan. Thank you for having me. Hello, listeners to Gun Lawyer. Hello, Americans and patriots all.

How’s everyone doing?

Evan Nappen 01:23

Well, I’ll tell you, man, it is never ending, as you know, in our fight for Second Amendment rights. You

really chronicle and identify key issues, and you really get it when it comes to understanding what we’re

dealing with. So, I want to encourage all my listeners to read anytime they see that byline of John

Petrolino. Now, this most recent article, I think, is very important. (https://bearingarms.com/john-

petrolino/2024/05/09/nj-attorney-general-platkin-responds-to-racial-bias-allegations-on-permits-to-carry-

n1224835) It is something that if it was in the other side of the political arena, it would be headlining

everywhere. But because of the media bias and what we are constantly battling for, it doesn’t get the

publicity and the attention that it needs. But that’s one of the roles of Gun Lawyer, of this show. It’s what

you do, and I do. We put out the truth. So, why don’t you tell us about your recent findings? When you

examined the New Jersey Attorney General’s release of the carry permit data, tell me what you

discovered?

John Petrolino 02:55

Well, the first thing that happened was, I mean, this was super exciting. I think that’s when I called you.

You and I got on the phone almost immediately about this. You and I talked about it quite extensively.

This is data that both of us were interested in finding. The data that we were looking for was the rate of

denials based on race. When I went to the dashboard, like everyone else, trying to find that data, it

wasn’t there. I’m going to say the data wasn’t there, because we’re not completely computer illiterates,Page – 2 – of 9

but maybe we all made mistakes, every single one of us that was looking for this data. So, I put in an

OPRA (Open Public Records Act) with the Attorney General’s office, and they ended up updating the

dashboard. According to, you know, looking at everything now here afterwards, they updated their

dashboard on April 12, 2024. I think it was April 24, 2024, when they closed out my OPRA, which they

didn’t complete my OPRA right away. They were like we need more time. So, it took them about five,

six weeks.

Evan Nappen 04:10

So, what is an OPRA? What did you do? Tell us?

John Petrolino 04:17

Okay, so an OPRA is New Jersey’s form of a FOIA, which is Freedom Of Information Act, a direct

request. An OPRA is an Open Public Records Act request. I’m basically saying to the Attorney General,

listen, I want more information that should be available to the public. Sometimes, some agencies and

some information they’re forthcoming with and some agencies not so much. So, the Attorney General’s

Office is usually pretty good at getting the data that is available, versus like New York or New Jersey

State Police. They’re pretty awful. I’m fighting with that right now.

Evan Nappen 04:58

So, you found that OPRA is a really important tool, haven’t you?

John Petrolino 05:02

Oh, it is very important. ORRA is also, interestingly enough, OPRA in New Jersey, is under attack from

one Assemblyman Joe Danielson. Go figure.

Evan Nappen 05:16

Oh, isn’t he the fellow that sponsored the Carry Killer bill? You know, the law to restrict our gun rights?

John Petrolino 05:26

He’s the guy that said that. Yes, this law was intended to only affect the law abiding. Yeah, that is the

guy.

Evan Nappen 05:34

Yeah. So, here’s a guy who’s not only against Second Amendment rights, but also, in effect First

Amendment rights, too. Trying to keep the Government acting in secret as they do their operations.

John Petrolino 05:52

Yeah, exactly. So, the irony is shocking. So, what I ended up doing is getting the information from them.

They said, oh, this data’s in the dashboard. I’m like, oh, silly me. So, I jumped on there, and I started

going down to look at the numbers that we were both interested in. I think we both wanted to find this

out, and we did, you know, go forward. I found some interesting numbers. When you start cranking

them through the sausage machine, there is two times the number of denials for Permits to Carry in the

black population versus white. And, you know, I’m going to stop people right there. Because a lot of

people say, well, you know, the blacks have more felonies, and they, you know. The comments onlinePage – 3 – of 9

are priceless. It’s like, well, why don’t you read the whole article? Because first of all, I don’t necessarily

believe that, but we’ll go forward. Right? Whatever the statistics are, is what they are. What I’m more

concerned about is when you’re also looking at, yes, there’s double the number of denials. There’s

double the number of denials for a subjective standard. And I know you can rattle this off without me

having to read.

Evan Nappen 07:09

So, here’s the thing that I want to do. Yes. What you discovered here are some very important nuggets

in explaining and shining the light on what is the true institutionalized racism that applies to the

disenfranchisement of Second Amendment rights for minorities. Okay? This is a reality. You have

demonstrated this reality with the data, and it’s deep. It goes to a number of reasons. Now, one of the

online comments that you just mentioned is, oh, well, that’s because blacks are more felons. You know,

more felony convictions than whites. Well, guess what? That is absolutely true. Do you know what the

ratio is? It’s six to one. Six blacks to one white, for having a criminal record. Now, think about that for a

moment, and say, hey, wait a minute. Why is that? Why is that? What our own Government has done is

sued companies, BMW, Dollar General, and recently Sheetz, like a Wawa, of Pennsylvania. They sell

gas. Under a theory that when they get ready to hire somebody, they run a criminal background check.

It comes up that the person is a convicted felon, and even though they’d want to hire them, they say,

no, because they’re a convicted felon. Our federal Government says that’s racist, because you’re

denying blacks at six to one or at least five to one to whites getting jobs. So, if our own federal

Government is saying it’s racist to deny based on a felony conviction, why is the prohibition of guns for

felons not just as racist and something that should be disallowed? Ah, I’d like to see the answer to that

question.

Evan Nappen 09:32

Now, what you’ve done is found that in the licensing denials, you have denials at two to one. Now, most

folks, if they have a felony conviction, are going to know I’m not even going to bother to apply. They

know they are a barred person. They know that their Second Amendment rights have been taken away

from them. So, those that do apply, that don’t have a felony prohibition, then they fall into that other

category of denial, where it’s subjective. The subjective category denial is the classic “public health,

safety, and welfare.” I call it the all-inclusive weasel clause. That’s where the chief gets to arbitrarily, or

the issuing authority gets to arbitrarily, deny the person based on whatever absurdity they wish to base

it on. It can be something that’s nowhere near an absurdity, but rather based on prejudice. You see it

being portrayed here in these statistics. This is why the gun laws across the board are incredibly racist,

true racism. But does the left embrace the Second Amendment and say, hey, we have to address the

racism of the Second Amendment? Tell me. What’s happened now that you’ve revealed this? Has the

Attorney General said we must now address why there’s this racial disparity, John?

John Petrolino 11:16

The Attorney General’s office has been very quiet. I reached out to them twice. The second time, a little

bit more forcefully. I probably will give them a little bit of time, maybe towards the end of the week, and

you know, maybe I approach them again. I basically told them that “no comment” is not going to cut it,

because this is a civil rights violation.Page – 4 – of 9

Evan Nappen 11:40

How about a rights violation investigation of the chiefs that they have records of, that are doing the

disproportionate denials. Will we actually see it?

John Petrolino 11:53

Who knows? All of the chiefs in New Jersey, just in case you didn’t know this, I’ve sent letters to all the

Chiefs of Police that have used the weasel clause to deny Permits to Carry. There were 62 chiefs. I

wasn’t able to hit all the barracks and stuff like that. I notified them asking for comment on why they’re

using a subjective standard. So, the Chiefs of Police are definitely on notice by this journalist and that

information will come out, too. What I think is really also interesting, and this isn’t something you and I

even discussed. So, get ready for the left field here. This “weasel clause” as we’re going to call it, it’s

not just any old weasel clause. This is the new and improved one, new for ’22. Governor Murphy signed

this into law right before Christmas, I believe it was. This law that our legislators voted for, and

Governor Murphy enacted, they actually enacted a provision of the law that made it extra deadly for the

ability to subvert rights. It says the people who are lacking the essential character of temperament

necessary to be entrusted with a firearm. By doing that, they’ve enacted a law that is disproportionately

being used against blacks. So, I wrote to the legislature, and I asked them if that was their legislative

attempt. We’ll find out what they have to say.

Evan Nappen 13:27

Yeah, because that’s exactly what they did. This is something that goes back in the history of gun

control in America. The earliest gun laws of New Jersey prohibited Native Americans and blacks from

having guns. So, this actually is very traditional for New Jersey to be racist and to stop blacks and other

minorities from having guns. In the bigger picture of guns throughout America, you see that (Chief)

Justice (Roger B.) Taney, in the famous decision that actually helped get us to the Civil War (Dred

Scott v. Sandford, United States Supreme Court, 1857), the decision by Justice Taney finding that a

freed black would have the right to bear arms and have guns, and we can’t have that you see. Right

after the Civil War, we had the Black Codes, the infamous Black Codes, where they wanted to stop the

freed blacks from having guns. So, they passed laws in the new South. After the Civil War, they passed

laws requiring that only the most expensive guns could be possessed, such as the Army and Navy

handguns and such. So, it was only the wealthier white officers and whites that could afford them. Poor

blacks couldn’t have cheap guns.

Evan Nappen 15:16

It references to modern day, the so-called Saturday Night Special bill, which is the same idea. When

they talk about cheap guns, they really are talking about people in lower economic classes being able

to have firearms for themselves. So, this racism runs throughout the gun laws to this day, to this day.

When they talk about “assault firearms”, they say, oh, it’s a choice of drug dealers. This is their

camouflage for saying, it’s the choice of blacks. This is what they do, and this is how they do it. Even in

the book, The Saturday Night Special by Robert Sherrill, and this was written in the early 70s, when the

“Saturday Night Special” was the flavor of the day for the anti-Second Amendment crowd, Sherrill said,

look, the ’68 Gun Control Act itself, which dealt with so-called “Saturday Night Specials” to a certain

degree, even he said it wasn’t, and this is a liberal guy, it wasn’t passed to regulate guns. It was passed

to go after blacks. He even admitted it then. This is a known thing and a known quantity. But the leftPage – 5 – of 9

conveniently ignores it, even though they claim to be proponents for minority rights. But in fact, they are

not.

John Petrolino 16:46

You brought up the very compelling thing talking about all those lawsuits that are happening. So, if

those lawsuits were going to happen, it’s going to happen through the Department of Justice. The

formation of the Department of Justice goes back to our postbellum United States. It was formed,

specifically, to try to protect the rights of the now freed slaves at the time, of our black brothers and

sisters. So, this is something that created that whole entire division of policing. I have a small little

excerpt here, actually I just dug it up. It’s from a book. It’s called Messages and Papers of the President

Ulysses S. Grant. Here’s a letter that Ulysses S. Grant wrote on April 19, 1872, to the House of

Representatives. He said that he just got information from the Attorney General, orally, and he said that

counties were under the sway of the power of combinations properly known as the Klu Klux Klans. The

objects of which were by force and terror to prevent all political action in the court and the views of the

members. He goes on, and he says, what was going on was there was deprivation. I’m going to quote

the end. “. . .to deprive colored citizens of the right to bear arms and of the right of a free ballot.” So,

back then Ulysses S. Grant was worried about blacks being patriotiated with their rights and was

sending the DOJ in there to sort this out and getting the House of Representatives involved. But like

you said, we don’t see that happening now, today.

Evan Nappen 18:24

No, well, Biden, his administration, and the Democrats claim that the biggest threat to America is white

supremacy. And you know what? Maybe it is, but you know, who the white supremacists are? Them.

Demonstrated by the gun laws. So, the biggest threat is them. They are the ones that are the white

supremacists by creating these laws that institutionalize the racism. We’re talking about the Second

Amendment, the right to keep and bear arms, which is extremely important, because that’s a person’s

ability to defend themselves and their families. And that’s what they’re stopping. That’s who they want

to keep enslaved and disarmed. And that’s what the left does. And that’s what these gun laws do. And

that’s what your article has helped to illustrate. The work that you’re doing is showing that in greater

and greater light, and it’s so important that it’s happening. So, John, tell the listeners where they can

find you and get your great works and read the great articles that you write.

John Petrolino 19:45

You can find me on my homepage, that’s kind of the clearinghouse for everything. It’s

ThePenPatriot.com And then from there, you can link up with my socials. You can find me on Facebook

as The Pen Patriot, and on Instagram it is jpetrolinoiii. Most importantly, you know, and if you can’t find

me that way, my email address is [e-mail]. If there’s something going on, if you’ve got

a story tip or a lead or anything, I want to know about it, and I can cover it. I will cover it. So, that’s

[e-mail]. Again, thepenpatriot.com is the website. And my work is all over the place,

Bearing Arms, etc.

Evan Nappen 20:32Page – 6 – of 9

John, you are serious. John is really so dedicated and has covered so many things. Your works appear

in all kinds of aggregate sites and other places. Just tell the audience where because I know I see you

all over the place. And I’m always happy to mention that. Go right ahead. Tell us where.

John Petrolino 20:54

Yeah, I pump out my work over at Bearing Arms, The Truth About Guns, AmmoLand, and Shooting

News Weekly. I also write for News2A.com. Those guys are great. Definitely link up with News2A.com.

They’ve got some good content. They are up and coming, about a year old. And then

Evan Nappen 21:11

I get every one of those and monitor them every day. So, stay informed. I always read your byline, man.

So, I want to thank you very much for being on the show, and I know folks are going to follow you

closely, as I do. John, thanks a lot for coming on today.

John Petrolino 21:32

Thanks. Thanks for having me, Evan. And thank you for what you do. So, well, we’ll catch up soon my

friend.

Evan Nappen 21:39

Yep, see you now, so long. Well, so that was very exciting to have John Petrolino on the show. I really

admire the great work that he does. I want to take a moment now to tell you about some exciting things

at WeShoot. You know that WeShoot is an indoor range in Lakewood, New Jersey, a great range, great

facility. They are right there off the parkway. WeShoot is a great place to get training and firearms and

such. Speaking of this, here’s some exciting news from WeShoot. We shoot now has the Rost Martin

RM1C gun. Let me tell you about the Rost Martin. This gun is really cool. This gun is, frankly, similar in

some ways to a Glock 19, but it shoots better than the Glock 19. Amazingly it has an MSRP of only

$465. That’s right. Only $465 is their list price. Now WeShoot has these guns and their MOS, so they’re

ready for the optic. It has a ton of great features already in it. And here’s the kicker. It’s made in Dallas,

Texas. So, this is a U.S. manufactured firearm. It is incredibly reliable and shoots incredibly well. It has

a great price point. It’s really become all the rage. So, if you want to check out the new Rost Martin

RM1C, go to WeShoot. You can check it out there. They rent guns. They have training, and they are

wonderful facility. But this is super popular. This Rost Martin.

Evan Nappen 23:59

Now WeShoot also has Member Appreciation Month, which is in May, and this is the 5th anniversary of

that. So, every year at WeShoot, they dedicate the entire month of May to their members, and they

have very exclusive special deals for their members. Now, if you want to take advantage, they’re

offering right now $100 off their membership for new members. So, you can actually, during

Membership Appreciation Month, become a member of WeShoot, if you aren’t already. I don’t know

why you’re not, and you can get $100 off their membership in May. So, now’s a great opportunity to

become part of the WeShoot family and be able to get in on their great deals. Check out the new Rost

Martin pistol. I think you’re really going to love it. I love it. I have one. They’re great, and I think you’re

going to really appreciate that. So, go to WeShoot. You can find them at weshootusa.com Check out

their website and pay a visit. You’ll be glad that you did.Page – 7 – of 9

Evan Nappen 25:16

I also want to mention the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs. The Association of New

Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs is the umbrella organization of all the gun clubs in New Jersey that are

members of the association. Then you, as an individual member, are part of that. This is how we unify

and fight for gun rights. They are the number one fighter for gun rights in the state of New Jersey. It’s

anjrpc.org. Their Executive Director, Scott Bach, who is a dear friend of mine, and who has worked

tirelessly for gun rights in New Jersey, has been reelected to the NRA Board. And that is great because

the NRA needs Scott from Jersey representing not just the interests of gun owners, but particularly New

Jersey. Scott is a great voice for us there at the NRA Board. During these times at the NRA, now more

than ever, we need somebody there to get the ship righted, and going strong. Scott is the man. So,

congratulations to Scott for his reelection to the NRA Board and for serving as our leader of the

Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs. You need to be a member of the Association. Make

sure you are. You’re going to get a great newsletter, and you’re going to get email updates. It’s

absolutely a great investment in your Second Amendment rights. You know, when you are a member,

that you are part of the solution to this fight.

Evan Nappen 27:09

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Bible of New Jersey gun law. It is over 500 pages with 120 topics all in a question and answer format.

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cover, and make sure you become part of my free subscriber database – 100% free. You get access

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this challenging environment of New Jersey gun law. This book is used by the New Jersey State Police

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New Jersey’s insane gun laws. This way you don’t become a GOFU. So, to get my book, go to

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just click it and you can get your copy.

Evan Nappen 28:42

So, I’ve gotten some very interesting letters, and I want to share some of them with you. Here’s a nice

follow up from Jim. Jim says, hi Evan. I watched your podcast concerning the issue with squeezing 11

rounds into the Glock 43X and was wondering the result of the person who had the issue, especially if

Glock agreed to update the owner’s 43X mags. So, here’s the deal. Glock will update the mags, but the

problem is how do you get the mags to them to update without violating New Jersey’s law on

transporting large capacity magazines and possessing them while you’re doing it, etc.? We were

working on trying to get the Attorney General to acknowledge this so that you could at least bring it to a

dealer and be covered. For that we needed Glock to officially announce that they will take care of this

problem, that they recognize it. But Glock so far has not done so. So, even though my understanding is

that Glock will exchange the magazines, they’ve not put out anything, to my knowledge, officially

acknowledging that they sold so-called 10 round magazines that hold more than 10 rounds and subject

everybody who got them that lives in jurisdictions, not just New Jersey, where over 10 rounds arePage – 8 – of 9

prohibited, to criminal prosecution for their mistake. So, for some reason they’re not owning up to that,

officially, although they are apparently willing to exchange the magazine. But you can see the issue.

So, listen, be careful. Don’t become a victim. If you have a Glock mag that holds more than 10 rounds. I

would strongly suggest that you don’t fall into that trap. Now, thanks, Jim. If I do get word from Glock of

anything official, I will absolutely put it out on the show.

Evan Nappen 30:54

Now I have a letter here from Chris, regarding concealed carry permit, New Jersey moving to

Pennsylvania. Hello, Evan, I have a concealed carry in New Jersey and a non-resident concealed carry

in Pennsylvania. I currently live in NJ and we’re thinking about moving to PA. If we do move, do I turn in

my New Jersey permit? And what are the steps? Also on a related note, when my New Jersey two year

renewal comes up and I don’t want to renew it, are there any steps? Or do I just don’t fill out

paperwork? Thank you. Well, Chris, you do not have to turn in your New Jersey carry because unlike

the Firearms Purchaser ID Card, it’s not address specific. You don’t have that obligation on the carry

permit. If you notice, the carry permit doesn’t have your address on it. So, it’s not about that. You can

maintain it and keep it. You still are licensed in New Jersey, as well as taking care of what you need to

in Pennsylvania. So, there’s no necessity to turn in your New Jersey Permit to Carry.

Evan Nappen 32:05

However, when the renewal comes up, you can either renew or not renew. If you renew, then you

renew as a non-resident. Because now you’re going to be subject to that and the issuing authority will

be the State Police as opposed to the town that was the issuing authority where you lived in New

Jersey. So, you can either do nothing, let your New Jersey permit expire and then that’s it, you’re not

licensed in Jersey, or you can renew as a non-resident, which would be a better idea because you can

maintain your New Jersey permit, even though I’m sure once you move to Pennsylvania, you’re saying

I’ll never want to come back to New Jersey again. However, life is funny, and you may end up having to

come back to Jersey here and then, back and forth, at least to see old friends and brag that you got out

of New Jersey. So, you may want to keep your New Jersey carry permit. If that’s the case, just do your

renewal as a non-resident. Thanks for a very good question.

Evan Nappen 33:13

Now, folks, you know I get a lot of letters, and I love getting letters. I love helping my fellow gun owners

and all that. It really is what my entire life has been about. It’s my whole calling, and it’s what I do. I love

it. But every once in a while, I get a letter like this. This kind of letter just makes me go, seriously? So,

let me read you this letter from Jo. Jo says, “Regarding your video about cars in a mob”. Now, number

one, I haven’t done a video about cars in a mob for Gun Lawyer. I don’t know what this is. What is this?

Then he says, I don’t even know what he’s talking about but okay. “Dear Sir, I enjoyed your sorrow

video” . . . I swear to God, he wrote sorrow, sorrow, sorrow video. I don’t know what that means. “I

enjoyed your sorrow video on your rights being caught in your car in a mob.” Okay, this is a podcast.

So, I don’t know what video, I don’t know what a sorrow video or what it even means. Then being

caught in your car in a mob. Alright. “Very clear and concise.” Really? Okay. “However, I feel that you

unfairly and knowingly misrepresented the reason the protesters are there. They are requesting the

university to divest of funds that make the university money by supporting Israel. I am neither JewishPage – 9 – of 9

nor Palestinian, but I will never or click on your site again. You lose your integrity and reliability by this

clear and biased commentary. Here’s hoping you reconsider your delivery and messages.”

Evan Nappen 35:13

So, I don’t have any video, or any commentary whatsoever on protesters at the universities and guns

and never did any of this, that he’s thinking I did or didn’t do. But I do want to be clear about something.

When it comes to clear and unbiased testimony, commentary, I’m sorry about that whole situation. Let

me be clear here, folks. If you are supporting Hamas terrorists, Fuck You! Is that bias enough? I don’t

know. Maybe not. But there you go. As far as that issue, I’m happy to address it. As far as the rest of

his issue goes, he’s an idiot and doesn’t know what he’s talking about. So, hopefully, that handles that.

Evan Nappen 36:14

Hey, now let’s talk about the GOFU. The GOFU is the segment that’s extremely popular, where you get

to learn a very inexpensive lesson that is very expensive for somebody else. The GOFU is a Gun

Owner Fuck Up. This is what happens when individuals, unfortunately, try to use common sense when

dealing with New Jersey gun laws or any gun law for that matter. You need to make sure that you get

the right information to make the right choices. Man, I had a fellow just this week who just had a series,

a series, of GOFUs. He thought, hey, he had guns taken, and they weren’t taken with any actual

statutory authority. So, he talks to the police, and the police say oh, you need to call the prosecutor’s

office. Ahhh, aaaannnnt. The last thing you want to do, as a citizen with a gun issue, is call the

prosecutor’s office. By calling the prosecutor’s office, he triggered the prosecutor to bring a motion for

forfeiture and revocation. Whereas, if that call hadn’t been made, things could have been arranged

differently. Actions could have been taken to help ensure a return. And if that trigger needed to be

pulled, it could have been pulled at the appropriate time. Now, instead, it’s being done because of the

person initiating it upon themselves. There are other legal mechanisms that could have been done. It’s

really a shame.

Evan Nappen 38:10

The GOFU is this, folks. If you have an issue, do not reach out to the prosecutor. That is not for you to

do. You should have an attorney do that. Because you now walked into the lion’s den, and you have no

clue. You don’t understand the laws, all the tricks and traps and the agenda that the Prosecutors’

Offices have. Not all of them, but a good many of them. So, you’ve got to be really careful. If you need

something done related to firearms, you make sure you have your lawyer do it. A lawyer who knows

what they’re doing. Otherwise, it becomes a GOFU, and it’s something that could have been avoided.

This is Evan Nappen reminding you that gun laws don’t protect honest citizens from criminals. They

protect criminals from honest citizens.

Speaker 3 39:16

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Evan Nappen, Esq.

Known as “America’s Gun Lawyer,” Evan Nappen is above all a tireless defender of justice. Author of eight bestselling books and countless articles on firearms, knives, and weapons history and the law, a certified Firearms Instructor, and avid weapons collector and historian with a vast collection that spans almost five decades — it’s no wonder he’s become the trusted, go-to expert for local, industry and national media outlets.

Regularly called on by radio, television and online news media for his commentary and expertise on breaking news Evan has appeared countless shows including Fox News – Judge Jeanine, CNN – Lou Dobbs, Court TV, Real Talk on WOR, It’s Your Call with Lyn Doyle, Tom Gresham’s Gun Talk, and Cam & Company/NRA News.

As a creative arts consultant, he also lends his weapons law and historical expertise to an elite, discerning cadre of movie and television producers and directors, and novelists.

He also provides expert testimony and consultations for defense attorneys across America.

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