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Season Three Update

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A short update on progress towards season three of Rock That Doesn't Roll.

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Season Three Update

Rock That Doesn't Roll: The Story of Christian Music

published about a year ago

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A short update on progress towards season three of Rock That Doesn't Roll.

Leah's limited-run podcast, Spirit and Power.

28 episodes

#Music #Andrew Gill and Leah Payne #Andrew Gill #Leah Payne

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Season Three Update 1:20

10 weeks ago1:20

1:20

A short update on progress towards season three of Rock That Doesn't Roll. Leah's limited-run podcast, Spirit and Power.

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Lo! A Christmas Special! 45:08

23 weeks ago45:08

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Buy tickets for our live show in Chicago on January 5! It's the second annual Rock That Doesn't Roll CCM Christmas Song Awards! Listen to find out what awards Amy Grant, Sarah Masen, Carman, Stryper and David Meece won this year. Do you have a song that deserves an award? Leave us a message at (629) 777-6336. If you want more seasons of Rock That Doesn’t Roll, you can support us on Patreon . https://www.patreon.com/rtdr You can connect with us on Instagram or by emailing RTDRpod@gmail.com Sign up for our Substack to keep up with show developments . Buy RTDR merch here .…

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The Art House (ft. Charlie Peacock and Andi Ashworth) 30:31

30 weeks ago30:31

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Charlie Peacock is a renowned figure in the music industry for his solo albums, production work, songwriting and his record label RE:Think, which launched Switchfoot and Sarah Mason. Outside of the music industry spotlight he and his wife Andi Ashworth were creating a very unique space in Nashville called The Art House. Their experiences with The Art House inspired their recent book, " Why Everything That Doesn't Matter, Matters So Much: The Way of Love in a World of Hurt. " Leah actually worked at The Art House more than 20 years ago, so we were eager to talk with Charlie and Andi about this book. To hear the full hour-long interview, visit our Patreon . In the Patreon-only version of this episode , Charlie also shares which collaborator he considers one of the best songwriters in the world. Do you have a Christian rock story to tell? Leave us a message at (629) 777-6336. If you want more seasons of Rock That Doesn’t Roll, you can support us on Patreon . https://www.patreon.com/rtdr You can connect with us on Instagram or by emailing RTDRpod@gmail.com Sign up for our Substack to keep up with show developments . Buy RTDR merch here .…

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Youth Group Demon Hunting (ft. Jordan Morris) 49:30

33 weeks ago49:30

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Jordan Morris is a long time podcaster, comedy writer and creator and co-writer of the two-time Eisner-nominated graphic novel Bubble (based on the hit podcast ). His new graphic novel, co-written with artist Bowen McCurdy is Youth Group . It draws on Jordan's real life experiences in a Orange County California youth groups in the 1990s, but adds literal demon hunting to the list of church-approved activities. In the Patreon-only version of this episode , he also shares a story about Christian summer camp and we share ideas for casting a film adaptation of Youth Group. Do you have a Christian rock story to tell? Leave us a message at (629) 777-6336. If you want more seasons of Rock That Doesn’t Roll, you can support us on Patreon . https://www.patreon.com/rtdr You can connect with us on Instagram or by emailing RTDRpod@gmail.com Sign up for our Substack to keep up with show developments . Buy RTDR merch here .…

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Introducing: Second Sunday 32:51

35 weeks ago32:51

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Second Sunday is one of our sibling podcasts with PRX's Big Questions Project. Second Sunday is about Black Queer folks finding, keeping and sometimes losing faith. Mark Miller is a graduate of Juilliard and Yale University with an expertise in choral conducting, sacred music, and voice. His hymns and anthems are sung by communities of faith throughout the world, and his album, Imagine the People of God, is available on iTunes. He believes that music, social justice, and the beloved community are inextricably tied. His story is about finding God and himself through music. The Second Sunday podcast is hosted by Esther and Darren Calhoun. Follow Esther @estheralready, https://www.instagram.com/estheralready Follow Darren @heydarren, https://www.instagram.com/heydarren Follow Second Sunday @secondsundaypod, https://instagram.com/secondsundaypod Subscribe to the podcast, https://secondsundaypod.com…

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Bookstore Guy to Exvangelical (ft. Blake Chastain) 41:37

38 weeks ago41:37

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In this bonus episode Leah and Andrew talk with Blake Chastain , the first person to use "exvangelical" as a hashtag (and host of the Exvangelical podcast) about his book, " Exvangelical and Beyond: How American Christianity Went Radical and the Movement That's Fighting Back . " He shares about his time as a "bookstore guy" and how the academic concepts of "counter public" and "hyperobject" are helpful in understanding what's happening in American evangelicalism. In the Patreon-only version of this episode , he also shares a story about a song that left him temporarily paralyzed at work once. Plus we discuss not one, but two different songs by Ray Boltz. Do you have a Christian rock story to tell? Leave us a message at (629) 777-6336. If you want more seasons of Rock That Doesn’t Roll, you can support us on Patreon . https://www.patreon.com/rtdr You can connect with us on Instagram or by emailing RTDRpod@gmail.com Sign up for our Substack to keep up with show developments . Buy RTDR merch here .…

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Mother Is A Big Question 45:16

40 weeks ago45:16

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Today we're sharing an episode from another Big Questions Project podcast: Mother Is A Question. "This episode is called "Mother Is A Song," and we’re traveling to a place and time when mama was the muse–back when musicians in the U.S. were constantly singing about “the one who’s always true,” as one of these songs goes. One hundred years ago in the U.S., in the early days of recorded music, a lot of the songs people were listening to were about one particular person: mother. Thanks to Sarah Bryan, the Association for Cultural Equity, and to Dust to Digital for inspiring this episode. Mother is a Question is created by Natasha Haverty and Julia Metzger-Traber Our editor is Rob Rosenthal Original Music by Raky Sastri and Julia Read"…

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Christian Ska's Upbeats and Beatdowns (ft. Leanor Ortega Till of Five Iron Frenzy) 38:15

42 weeks ago38:15

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If there's one music genre lampooned more than Christian rock, it might just be ska. And Christian ska? Expect next level ridicule. But a lovable band of misfits from Denver, Colorado managed to do something that might seem unthinkable: combine two maligned genres and become a cultural phenomenon with an enduring cult following. On the season two finale of Rock that Doesn't Roll , music journalist Andrew Gill ( Sound Opinions ) , and historian Leah Payne ( God Gave Rock and Roll to You: a History of Contemporary Christian Music ) follow the unlikely rise of Five Iron Frenzy , with insight from Leanor Ortega Till , aka "Jeff the Girl," aka the saxophonist from one of the best-loved bands in the Christian rock universe. Do you have a Christian rock story to tell? Leave us a message at (629) 777-6336. If you want more seasons of Rock That Doesn’t Roll, you can support us on Patreon . https://www.patreon.com/rtdr You can connect with us on Instagram or by emailing RTDRpod@gmail.com Sign up for our Substack to keep up with show developments . Buy RTDR merch here .…

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Yellow and Black Attack (ft. Michael Sweet of Stryper and Mike Tramp of White Lion) 39:36

44 weeks ago39:36

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Picture this. It's 1986. The Cold War is at a fever pitch. The whole world is locked into a conflict between the Forces of Freedom, and the Commies... at least that's how it felt to 80s kids. But the Cold War wasn't the only threat facing American society. Many feared that a much more sinister enemy lurking in the shadows: the devil himself. During the so-called satanic panic, parents worried that their kids would get caught by the Lord of Darkness, and rock - specifically heavy metal from notoriously debauched bands like Motley Crüe - was a big threat. What was an evangelical teen metal fan to do when the whole genre was tainted by Beelzebub? You fight fire with fire, and send Satan straight to hell with the legendary band Stryper. With insight from Stryper 's Michael Sweet, and White Lion's Mike Tramp , music journalist Andrew Gill ( Sound Opinions ) , and historian Leah Payne ( God Gave Rock and Roll to You: a History of Contemporary Christian Music ) follow the epic battle for the soul of Stryper, the undisputed kings of 1980s Christian Metal who wanted to fight Satan on his home turf - the raucous world of mainstream metal. Along the way, they found that the battle lines between demons and angels can get a bit blurry. How do you win the war when you aren't exactly sure who is friend or foe? Do you have a Christian rock story to tell? Leave us a message at (629) 777-6336. If you want more seasons of Rock That Doesn’t Roll, you can support us on Patreon . https://www.patreon.com/rtdr You can connect with us on Instagram or by emailing RTDRpod@gmail.com Sign up for our Substack to keep up with show developments . Buy RTDR merch here .…

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Fictional Christian Music (ft. Righteous Gemstones' Joseph Stephens, Daniel Smith and Chris White) 40:58

46 weeks ago40:58

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How do you make fake Contemporary Christian Music? Creating fictional Christian music that feels authentic without crossing the line into parody or pastiche is a tricky artistic challenge. But we found the creators up to the task. Joseph Stephens , composer for HBO's The Righteous Gemstones , a crime-comedy about a family of musical televangelists, and composer Daniel Smith ( Danielson ) and filmmaker Chris White of Electric Jesus , an independent film about an aspiring 80s Christian metal band, pay homage to Christian music makers of the past and create catchy Christian music that's feels and sounds an awful lot like the real thing. On this episode of Rock that Doesn't Roll, music journalist Andrew Gill ( Sound Opinions ) , and historian Leah Payne ( God Gave Rock and Roll to You: a History of Contemporary Christian Music ), immerse themselves in the Southern Gospel strains of The Righteous Gemstones and glam-band anthems of Electric Jesus , and get a behind-the-scenes look at the artistry, craftsmanship, and heart involved in creating convincing fake CCM songs for the screen. Do you have a Christian rock story to tell? Leave us a message at (629) 777-6336. If you want more seasons of Rock That Doesn’t Roll, you can support us on Patreon . https://www.patreon.com/rtdr You can connect with us on Instagram or by emailing RTDRpod@gmail.com Sign up for our Substack to keep up with show developments . Buy RTDR merch here .…

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The Paradox 45:25

48 weeks ago45:25

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KUOW's podcast Let The Kids Dance! is the story of Seattle's Teen Dance Ordinance in a seven-part docuseries chronicling an untold chapter of pop-culture history. It’s a story about moral panic, grassroots activism and an unstoppable music community that fought for its freedom, created and hosted by Jonathan Zwickel. The TDO made it impossible for venue owners to turn a profit while hosting all-ages shows. But the law contained a few exceptions, allowing concerts at nonprofit spaces and religious institutions. Savvy promoters take full advantage. In the latter half of the 90s, two all-ages venues sent a lifeline to the all-ages community by hosting unforgettable shows, leading to dramatically different results. One of those venues was Mars Hill's The Paradox. It was one of Mark Driscoll's early footholds in Seattle and hosted all ages concerts by secular and Christian bands- as well as worship services. Listen to the official Let the Kids Dance! playlist on Spotify. Do you have a Christian rock story to tell? Leave RTDR a message at (629) 777-6336. If you want more seasons of Rock That Doesn’t Roll, you can support us on Patreon . https://www.patreon.com/rtdr You can connect with us on Instagram or by emailing RTDRpod@gmail.com Sign up for our Substack to keep up with show developments . Buy RTDR merch here .…

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The DC Talk Test (ft. Jason Kirk and Kevin T. Porter) 40:04

50 weeks ago40:04

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What happened to the kids raised during the peak era of Christian rock? For insight into the state of Christian rock's late 1990s-early aughts evangelicalism you need not look any further than members of DC Talk, the pinnacle of youth group music. Their trajectory as artists and public figures roughly maps on to the trajectories of the millions of teens raised in American evangelicalism. In this episode, journalist and producer Andrew Gill ( Sound Opinions ) surprises historian Leah Payne ( God Gave Rock and Roll to You: a History of Contemporary Christian Music ) with a fan-made quiz that asks: are you a Toby Mac, a Michael Tait, or a Kevin Max? Together with two Christian rock aficionados, journalist Jason Kirk (author of Hell Is a World Without You ) and comedian Kevin T. Porter (co-host of Good Christian Fun ), Rock That Doesn't Roll explores the aftermath of the peak youth group band era. Take the quiz for yourself! Listen to the Hell Is a World Without You playlist on Spotify. Do you have a Christian rock story to tell? Leave us a message at (629) 777-6336. If you want more seasons of Rock That Doesn’t Roll, you can support us on Patreon . https://www.patreon.com/rtdr You can connect with us on Instagram or by emailing RTDRpod@gmail.com Sign up for our Substack to keep up with show developments . Buy RTDR merch here .…

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Purity Bros (ft. Joshua Harris) 38:12

52 weeks ago38:12

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Purity culture wasn’t just for youth group “purity girls.” “Purity bros” were also a part of the project! No one knows that more than Joshua Harris , a CCM fan who helped turn purity culture into an extreme sport. Together with his friend, Christian music superstar Rebecca St. James , they created media that inspired a generation of evangelicals to say no to sex outside of marriage, but also to things like dating, kissing, holding hands, and a lot of other things. In this episode, journalist and producer Andrew Gill ( Sound Opinions ) , and historian Leah Payne ( God Gave Rock and Roll to You: a History of Contemporary Christian Music ) follow the story of Josh Harris, one-time icon of purity culture. Josh found that the X-games of evangelicalism included the thrill of victory, the agony of defeat, and eventually, a life beyond the world of purity bros and purity girls. Do you have a Christian rock story to tell? Leave us a message at (629) 777-6336. RSVP for our virtual event June 11th at 6pm Central time. If you want more seasons of Rock That Doesn’t Roll, you can support us on Patreon . https://www.patreon.com/rtdr You can connect with us on Instagram or by emailing RTDRpod@gmail.com Sign up for our Substack to keep up with show developments . Buy RTDR merch here .…

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Purity Girls (ft. Nikki Leonti) 39:04

1 year ago39:04

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In 2001, teen singing sensation Nikki Leonti was on her way to a promising Christian music career. She had two hit CCM records, and - as a pop princess who swore to refrain from premarital sex - the support of big evangelical media organizations like James Dobson’s Focus on the Family. But then, at age 18, the “purity girl” Leonti announced she was pregnant, and lost it all. With insight from author and podcaster Devi Abraham , journalist and producer Andrew Gill ( Sound Opinions ) , and historian Leah Payne ( God Gave Rock and Roll to You: a History of Contemporary Christian Music ) explore how Christian music purity icons like Nikki Leonti, along with their fans, walked the tightrope of purity culture, lost their balance, and learned to put their lives back together again after they fell. Do you have a Christian rock story to tell? Leave us a message at (629) 777-6336. If you want more seasons of Rock That Doesn’t Roll, you can support us on Patreon . https://www.patreon.com/rtdr You can connect with us on Instagram or by emailing RTDRpod@gmail.com Sign up for our Substack to keep up with show developments . Buy RTDR merch here .…

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Holy Hip Hop (ft. Soup The Chemist) 40:59

1 year ago40:59