Jennifer Deibel – Irish Magic

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Irish magic from Jennifer Deibel – the best- selling and award-winning author of a series of charming Emerald Isle novels combining history, family, faith and romance.

Her newest book, The Irish Matchmaker…introduces matchmaker Catriona Daly.

Hi I’m your host Jenny Wheeler and today on Binge Reading Jennifer talks about how a US born gal fell in love with Ireland. and her latest book The Irish Matchmaker. As daughter of a well-known matchmaker, Catríona Daly is no stranger to the business of love – and she sees it as her ticket away from the sleepy village that only comes alive during the annual matchmaking festival.

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Links to things mentioned in the episode

A Dance In Donegal, Jennifer Deibel: https://www.amazon.com/Dance-Donegal-Jennifer-Deibel/dp/0800738411

The Princess Bride (movie) Irish location: https://giggster.com/guide/movie-location/where-was-the-princess-bride-filmed#:

Lisdoonvarna: https://matchmakerireland.com/

https://www.ireland.com/en-us/destinations/county/clare/lisdoonvarna

The Maid of Ballymacool, Jennifer Deilbel: https://jenniferdeibel.com/books/the-maid-of-ballymacool/

Willie Daly, Irish matchmaker: https://www.williedaly.com/

Books Jennifer is reading:

Jaime Jo Wright, The Lost Boys of Barlow Theater: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/90203406-the-lost-boys-of-barlowe-theater

Natalie Walters Snap agency series: https://www.amazon.com/The-SNAP-Agency-3-book-series/dp/B08XW1LGC3

Where to find Jennifer Online

Website: www.jenniferdeibel.com

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jenniferdeibel_author

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/JenniferDeibelAuthor

Introducing author Jennifer Deibel

But now, here’s Jennifer Hello there, Jennifer, and welcome to the show, it’s great to have you with us.

Jennifer Deibel – Historical Irish mysteries with magic

Jenny Wheeler: But now here’s Jennifer. Hello there, Jennifer, and welcome to the show. It’s great to have you with us.

Jennifer Deibel: Hi Jenny. Thanks so much for having me. I’m looking forward to chatting.

Jenny Wheeler: These Irish stories are both best sellers and award winners.

How did you come to start on the Irish story thread?

Jennifer Deibel: It all feels like it happened by accident, but I believe everything happens by design. My husband and I had lived in County Donegal for two years as students. We were studying the language and the culture. My husband had fallen in love with all things Celtic after spending a summer abroad in Wales during university.

We spent two years there and when we came back I was expecting our first baby. He went into graduate school in Texas and I was struggling to process all we had experienced in those two years.

An Irish American girl moves to Donegal

The idea for what would eventually become my debut novel, A Dance in Donegal, came to me, a story about an Irish American girl who moves to rural Donegal to teach.

I started writing it then and of course once my baby was born, it sat for a very long time. It took about 15 years for me to actually finish the whole manuscript.

During which time we moved back to Ireland and lived in County Galway. While we were there, we had our son and I heard about a parenting website that was starting up called The Better Mom and they were looking for contributors.

I applied there and was accepted and was encouraged to start my own blog, so readers would have a place to go to if they liked what I had to say on The Better Mom.

My blog opened the door for me to write for some other publications across the country, and that’s when I started making the connections that would eventually lead to my first book contract, which I signed, I believe in 2018.

It was a long road, and I never thought as a child that I would write a book. But I always thought it was something that would be fun to do. I just didn’t think I was capable of it. So that time in Ireland really is what planted the seeds of ideas for all of these stories.

Was there a little Celtic in their blood?

Jenny Wheeler: Did either you or your husband have Irish ancestry that might explain that magic thing that seemed to have captivated you?

Jennifer Deibel: Absolutely. My maiden name is Martin and where we lived in Galway was actually not too far from one of the main Martin strongholds in Ireland centuries ago.

So I’ve got that background is in my blood. My husband has English and Welsh on his side. His grandmother was born right on the border of Wales in England, so we’ve got the Celtic blood in our veins for sure.

Jenny Wheeler: Oh, that’s great. Now, the one we are talking about today is the fourth in this Irish series, The Irish Matchmaker. And I hadn’t realized until I read the book that matchmaking is closely woven into Ireland as a tradition. The idea of a village matchmaker… I gather that it still does exist today in these days of Tinder.

Tell us about the matchmaker in Irish village life.

Jennifer Deibel: So, it’s really fascinating. I first learned about it when we were living in Galway, and we would have tour groups come over that we would lead and we would take them all around and driving from Galway City down to the Cliffs of Mohr, which to some people might be better known as the Cliffs of Insanity from The Princess Bride (movie).

We passed through a little village called Lisdoonvarna, and there was always a huge billboard for their annual matchmaking festival.

The more I looked into it, I discovered that in this particular village it sarted in the late 18 hundreds when a doctor discovered the mineral content of the wells in that area were very high and could be used for medicinal purposes.

The fancy, rich, cultured folk would come in the fall to take the waters and use that opportunity to set their children up with each other because it was one of the few times that gentrified people were around other people of their stations to be able to do that.

A third generation Irish matchmaker

At the same time, the harvest had just ended and the farmers were coming into town to spend their money and make trades and do market days with their livestock and things like that.

The farmers finally had time and money to look for love. It was born out of this, seeming happenstance and it continues on for the entire month of September.

To this day, Willie Daly is the current matchmaker. He’s third generation, and he continues to match people up all throughout the festival and is pretty well known worldwide for it.

Jenny Wheeler: Did you get to talk to Willie Daly?

Jennifer Deibel: I did. We spoke over email multiple times. We tried to set up a phone call, but that was difficult to do with him, of course, being in Ireland and me being in America and he wasn’t super comfortable with Zoom.

But he was able to provide me with lots of valuable information about what it was like for him as a child growing up with a father who was a matchmaker, as well as his time as a matchmaker himself.

And he also wrote a memoir called Ireland’s Last Matchmaker. And it’s an absolutely charming read. If you’re ever wondering what it’s like. It reads like a novel almost and gives the details of what goes into matchmaking.

What’s the terminology for each different part of the process and what does that look like, and what goes into deciding who would be a good match and who wouldn’t be, and all of that.

It’s absolutely fascinating, and invaluable to me through the course of writing this book, for sure.

A successful family business

Jenny Wheeler: Catriona, your heroine and her father Jimmy, run a very successful family business as matchmakers.

They have inherited this down the generations, and I gather that there is an aspect of it that is an inherited skill as well as, perhaps some of it being learned almost like an intuition. Tell us about that aspect of it.

Jennifer Deibel: I think you can’t help – like any family business – if you grow up in that environment, you can’t help but naturally absorb a lot of the skills and thought processes and intuition that goes with it.

My husband’s family were a mechanic and auto family and it seems like they all are born knowing all this stuff about cars.

And I think that’s how it was for Catriona and Jimmy and certainly how it seemed to be for Willie, our real life matchmaker.

Being immersed in that from day one. And being able to have a front row seat to that. You get to learn how to read people in a way that I think other people might miss.

And you learn how to look beyond just the surface. While two people might seem good on paper for one another, sometimes there’s something within the meeting that a matchmaker might pick up on that someone in the general public might not.

And I think it’s a little bit genetic and a little bit learned just from being immersed in that process and in that culture and having a life of observation and reading people, which I think is really cool.

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Always the bridesmaid, never the bride

Jenny Wheeler: The sense of Irish village life very much comes through strongly in the story. And Catriona is wanting to change the direction of her life.

She’s been a matchmaker for quite some time, probably a decade or more, and she’s got to the point where she wants a match of her own. She decides in this book to perhaps do something that isn’t quite within the rules of matchmaking and that is manipulate a man for herself. Tell us a bit about that.

Jennifer Deibel: Yes, so poor Catriona. She’s reached the phase of always a bridesmaid, never the bride.

She’s very good at what she does and so everybody comes to her for their matches, her and her father. And she is at the point now where she wants that love for herself. She’s starting to get a little bit of a root of bitterness.

In the match that she’s making in the opening chapters of the book, we see she has a hard time watching the happiness of the bride and groom-to-be because she wants it so badly for herself and she doesn’t really see the kind of man that she wants in the tiny farming village of Lisdoonvarna.

She doesn’t want a life of poverty and the only way she can do it is to finagle a match with a man above her station,

Bringing the charm of Irish stories to the world

She doesn’t really think that’s possible until a gentleman returns who had been at the festival the previous year and was matched with or by a matchmaker from the neighbouring village and they’re going to use the Daly family services and that’s when her plan hatches. She plans to see if she can match him with herself and she sees it as her last chance to “get out of Dodge” and finally get to the life of luxury that she so deeply desires, or thinks she desires.

Jenny Wheeler: You say on your website that your books aim to bring all the charm of an Irish village to your story as well as hope and encouragement of faith.

I wonder if you’d like to expand on that a little bit and perhaps try and explain to us what is the special secret of Irish culture.

Jennifer Deibel: I think anybody who’s traveled to Ireland can attest to this. There is something about it that gets under your skin and haunts you forever, once you leave.

The people are warm and inviting. They’re far deeper, more spiritual and philosophical people, than others might think.

On the surface, they have the reputation of being the drinkers and the fighters and they’re happy-go-lucky, which they are in their own right, but they look at the world in a way that nobody else does.

And there’s some sort of magic mixture when you’ve got the Irish sea air, the rolling Green Hills, the music, the language, all coming together with that Irish spirit of life.

Seeing the fingerprint of the Creator

And it’s unlike anything I’ve ever experienced. And I’ve been blessed to be able to travel all over Europe and America, and I’ve never found anything like it. And in my own spiritual journey I think those years in Ireland, in some ways, I felt closer to God and more rooted in my faith than I have at any other time.

Everywhere you look you can’t help but see the fingerprints of the Creator and see the beauty of diversity in the language and the culture. It’s intoxicating. And I want to be able to bring that to people who will never be able to step on a plane and experience it for themselves.

Jenny Wheeler: You are very upfront about these being inspirational fiction books, so faith does play an element. How do you balance that for the people who perhaps don’t share your faith, to make the story still fun for them?

Jennifer Deibel: I try to approach it as organically as possible. If you were to read all four of my books, you would see the spiritual thread or arc is very different in each of them. In some it’s more upfront and more, articulated than in others and others it’s much more subtle, and I think that’s the way faith is for everybody.

For some people it’s very strong and they’re very vocal about it. For others, it’s more quiet.

Honesty an important part of faith

I try to make it be more about the character’s journey in their own faith, rather than trying to make it a sermon or telling other people what they should believe. I want them to get that experience through the lens of somebody else, which is why we read.

We want to be able to experience something through someone else’s eyes. I think that way it’s a little less intimidating and a little more accessible to people, no matter where they are on their faith journey.

Jenny Wheeler: In this book, most of the main characters have become a little bit disillusioned or disappointed in their faith. They express those feelings of doubt or uncertainty, don’t they?

Jennifer Deibel: Absolutely. And I think that’s important too for people who have been people of faith or followers of Jesus or a Christian, or however you want to say it for a long time, as well as people who have no idea what that might mean.

I think it is important that we’re honest with ourselves and with our Creator about our struggles and doubts because that’s what makes us human and that is what makes it so relatable

When you think, gosh, I’ve had those same questions. Like I’m not the only one. And it helps you be able to relate as well. And that’s where I hope readers are encouraged in their own journey. Whether they’ve never thought about God or they’ve been following him for, 50 years.

Broad romance of place as well as people

I want them to see that connection and see how they can use the lessons the characters learn to bolster their own faith along the way.

Jenny Wheeler: Obviously romance is important in this book because it is a matchmaker that we are talking about, but you’ve got a lot of themes going there with faith, hope, family, and the Irish culture. How essential do you see romance as being to your overall stories? I.

Jennifer Deibel: I think it’s central to the stories. If you take the romantic element out of it there’s not a lot of the story left.

But I think you could even change how you view romance. Of course, it’s the romance that we tend to think of the hero and heroine falling in love.

But I like to think of it too as Ireland’s romancing the reader and drawing them into all things Irish and my prayers through the faith that they would be romanced by God and by the pull of his grace.

There’s lots of layers to what I consider romance beyond the typical love story, but I think the love story is the story in my books anyway.

Jenny Wheeler: I was curious about whether you began with historical fiction. I wondered if you’d had one of those careers where you’d started out writing for someone like Harlequin and then developed from there, but it wasn’t quite like that, although obviously you had a trainee ground with your blog and other writing. How important is the historical fiction aspect?

Making history fit the story

Jennifer Deibel: It’s integral to these stories because especially when you’re talking about Ireland, there’s such a rich history. You could fill a million books with stories of things that happened over the course of Ireland’s history and still barely scratch the surface.

It’s important for us to look back. They say that those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. It’s important to look back, but I also think it’s really fun to imagine what life might have been like back then because we have no way to tell.

A book is a great way to be able to experience things that we’ll never be able to experience on our own. And to continue that legacy and that rich heritage that is there in that country, I think is important to keep at the forefront so that we don’t forget.

Jenny Wheeler: Historical fiction authors always have that challenge of balancing the real-life history with their imagination and their stories.

Have you found anything particularly tricky about doing that? And is there one particular time when you really felt challenged about whether you should stick to the truth of what the facts were or may adapted for your story?

It’s perfectly acceptable to do it, but I just wondered how you approached that.

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‘Creative liberties’ – but not too much

Jennifer Deibel: Yes. I’m always delighted when I’m doing my research and I’ve already decided what time of year, what year the story is set, and then I find some really fascinating historical event that happened right at the perfect time to coincide with the story. With my third book, the Maid of Ballymacool there had been a raid on the house where the whole story is set.

But it was raided by the wrong people and it was raided at the wrong time for what I needed in my story.

I may have taken some creative liberties with some of those details and then straightened things out in the author’s note, but I do try to stay as true to history as possible because it’s important. We need to know how things really were.

But there have been a couple of times like that – or I’ve had to leave the detail out of the story altogether, even though I really want to include it somehow. because it would just take too much fudging.

I would feel like I’ve betrayed history in my ancestors a little bit if I changed it too much.

That is a continual challenge with all of these stories.

Jenny Wheeler: Have you done any family history? Are there any real relatives that you’ve identified still there?

Jennifer Deibel: One of my cousins has done extensive research and she got all the way back to the early 1800s and our Martins were still in Tennessee, and the trail was starting to die out a little bit. We haven’t been able to trace it exactly back to a village or to current living relatives.

I believe they’re out there. It’s just the research trail has gone a little bit cold and in my book researching. I haven’t had a lot of time to delve into it myself, but I would love to eventually

Looking for Irish cousins…

Jenny Wheeler: I hate to mention the dreadful acronym, DNA, but probably if she did a DNA test, you’d immediately find lots of third and fourth cousins.

Jennifer Deibel: We probably would. We probably would.

Jenny Wheeler: Tell us about the process of starting a new book. How do you approach that? How do you even decide on the central idea? And then do you do a lot of outlining beforehand or do you jump straight in? How do you go about it?

Jennifer Deibel: Usually what happens is I pitch a handful of ideas to my publisher. Usually the story ideas are triggered by an event that I recently learned about, or a tradition or some historical detail that I stumbled across.

Every one of my stories has started with that, where I learn about this new little nugget of fascinating history that I never knew about, and I just start asking questions.

I wonder what would happen if,’ and that’s where the story ideas come from. Once they decide which ones they want, they tell me which ones they’d like me to do first.

At that point the only outlining I really do is in writing the synopsis for the story to pitch to my publisher. I know the main plot points. I know the conflict, I know basically how it’s going to be resolved, but after that I’m what they, I like to call a ‘planter, ‘so I don’t plot in the traditional sense, but I write scenes in my head as I’m going about my normal life.

Writing process ‘like transcribing a movie’

When I sit down to write, I just type out what I see in my brain, like I’m watching a transcribing a movie.

I don’t always know what’s going to happen exactly after that scene is over. Sometimes I’ll write a scene, the floodgates are open, and then the scene is done.

And then I literally have no idea what’s happening next until I have a couple of days to write it in my head again. I’ve tried outlining because I feel like it would be so much easier, but my brain does not want to work that way.

Jenny Wheeler: You mentioned your third book, the Maid of Ballymacool. That did win an award recently, didn’t it? Tell us about that award.

Jennifer Deibel: It did, it won the Selah Award for Historical Romance, which is done through the Blue Ridge Mountains Christian Writers Conference, and I was absolutely shocked. This was the first of my books to final in a major book contest. My debut won the Reader’s Choice Award for Historical Romance.

But ever since then, I haven’t finaled in an industry contest. So I was absolutely honored to be a finalist. And there were eight other books that were finalists in the category.

Blown away for winning an award

I was completely grateful to be recognized and ready to celebrate whoever did win. And when they called the name of my book as first place, I think you probably could have heard my gasp in New Zealand.

I was just absolutely flabbergasted. I’m still coming off that high. That was just a few days ago. I’m actually looking at the plaque as I talk about it. And I’m just grateful.

My prayer is that people who are might be drawn to that book because they’ve heard of the awards that book deals with themes of identity and purpose in like your roots of who you are when you don’t know where you came from.

Anybody who has been felt overlooked or unloved or undervalued I pray that story would be an encouragement to them.

Jenny Wheeler: That’s lovely. What you hope your readers get from your stories and what feedback that they say they get from your stories.

Jennifer Deibel: The most common feedback I get is they feel like they’ve just stepped off a plane from a trip to Ireland, which just absolutely warms my heart. That is one of the biggest hopes that I have for everyone who reads the book.

Lost in Irish world with Jennifer Deibel

And a lot of people say that they see themselves in one of the characters, or they relate to one of the struggles or they appreciate the honesty that the characters have with their faith struggles or when a character has an epiphany on something they haven’t quite thought of it that way.

I hear all sorts of things, but one of the main ones is they feel like they were in Ireland as they read.

Jenny Wheeler: That’s great. You mentioned about how you never thought you would write a book. There is that saying ‘we’ve all got one book in us’ and I guess there’s quite a few people listening who, if their keen readers do occasionally have that thought of, oh, I could do this.

If someone was wanting to start out and write their first book, what advice would you give them?

Jennifer Deibel: I would say just sit down and start writing. I think a lot of people, and I’ve talked to a lot of people, who’ve asked me that question who feel like they need to get some kind of training or some kind of a degree and learning the craft is important, but learning the craft won’t do any good if you don’t get the words on the page.

And so like I tell my students – I teach seventh grade English. Every first draft is a poopy first draft. It’s called a rough draft for a reason.

Getting started is most important thing

Just get the words on the page. You can make it pretty later. And so that’s what I would say is if you’ve got a story idea brewing, just sit down and start writing and then look around for like-minded writers’ groups in your area.

If you do a search online lots of things will pop up, because writing can feel very lonely, and it is solitary in that I’m the only one that can get the words out of my head and onto the screen.

But a community of writers who are all going through the same process is hugely important, I think because I would’ve given up long before I ever published my first book if it wasn’t for the writers surrounding me, encouraging me and helping me see that I wasn’t the only one. So that would be my two biggest pieces of advice.

Jenny Wheeler: That’s fantastic. Turning to Jennifer as reader, because we do always like to ask our guests about their own reading tastes and whether they binge read or not?

Do they have anything they’d particularly like to recommend to others? Have you been a binge reader in the past and have you got time to read at the moment?

Jennifer Deibel: I have been a binge reader. It’s strange. I feel sometimes a little bit like the odd one out in the bookish world.

I haven’t always been a reader. As a child, I did not enjoy it. But what I realized was I just hadn’t found what I like to read. Of course I love to read historical fiction.

What Jennifer Deibel is reading now

That’s what I fell in love with reading and writing. But when I’m writing historical fiction, I can’t read it because it messes with my own head space.

I’ve had to branch out a little bit, and right now I am loving romantic suspense and creepy suspense in the inspirational world.

I am currently devouring Jaime Jo Wright’s latest book.

I’ve forgotten the title (Editor Note: The Lost Boys of Barlow Theater)

It’s her most recent one.

And then I’ve also been a binge reader.

The last series I’ve binge read was from Natalie Walters. It was her Snap agency series, and it’s an FBI, true crime, romantic suspense series that I could not get enough of.

I need her to write the next one very soon.

Jenny Wheeler: That’s great. I haven’t come across either of those authors, so I’ll be interested to look them up.

Jennifer Deibel: Definitely do it.

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Jack of all trades, master of none?

Jenny Wheeler: Now you’re pretty remarkable yourself in that you are still working, I believe pretty well full-time, as a school teacher. You’ve raising three children and still finding time to write award-winning books. How do you do it?

Jennifer Deibel: I don’t know. I was telling my husband recently. We just finished the school year about two weeks ago. About four weeks ago, I was telling him I don’t feel like I’m excelling at anything that I do.

I feel like I’m a jack of all trades, master of none. I see where I need to shore up things in every role.

I could not do what I do without my family. They have been so extremely supportive and excited for me.

My kids and my husband are my biggest cheerleaders. I think my husband cried harder than I did when my first books came in a box and we held them in our hands. So that’s number one.

Then the other thing I have to do is constantly reevaluate which task is on what priority burner and moving things to the back burner for a while so I can focus on whatever the task is at hand.

For my books, the bulk of my books get written over summer and Christmas and spring breaks. By the grace of God, a supportive family and just trying to prioritize on a daily basis is how I’m surviving these days.

What’s on Jennifer Deibel’s desk?

Jenny Wheeler: How old are your children?

Jennifer Deibel: Our oldest is 19. She just finished her first year of university. Our middle is 17 and she is heading into her senior year of high school, and then our son is 13 and he is heading into eighth grade in the fall.

Jenny Wheeler: They are older now, so not quite you needing the same sort of care, although they obviously still do need plenty of attention. It’s a mistake to think teenagers don’t need that attention, isn’t it?

Jennifer Deibel: Oh, for sure. But yes, they make a lot of dinners when I’m on deadline. If they were little I would be at a different point in my career for sure.

Jenny Wheeler: That’s fantastic. Tell us about what’s on your desk for the next 12 months. What are you working on right now in this break?

Jennifer Deibel: I am actually on deadline for my first round of line edits, which is the nitpicky stuff – making sure the eye color stays the same.

How many commas did I use? How many times did I use this word? The real nitty gritty editing for my fifth novel, which is set to come out sometime in January of 2025.

And I plan to do the title and cover release on that this summer, sometime hopefully in June, but it might be July.

Where to find Jennifer Deibel online

And then I am also contracted for a devotional with my publisher that is Thirty- One Days of Devotions based on Irish blessings, and that is due in November, but I’m hoping to get it completed this summer so that I can start school in the fall with a kind of a clean slate.

Jenny Wheeler: Lovely. And that fifth book hasn’t got a title yet?

Jennifer Deibel: It does, but we’re keeping it close to the chest until we’re ready for pre-orders.

Jenny Wheeler: Sure. And do you have any thoughts about number six?

Jennifer Deibel: Yes, I just sent a handful of story ideas to my editor and she is taking them to the next step in the process in a couple of weeks. I should know, hopefully by the end of June, if I’m going to write book six and seven or beyond.

Jenny Wheeler: Fantastic. That’s wonderful. Where can readers find you online and do you welcome, interaction online?

Jennifer Deibel: Oh, I love interacting with readers online. The one stop shop where people can find information about my books, links to my social media, sign up for my newsletter – All of that is just on my website. And it’s Jennifer Deibel.com and that’s all the things that they need are there.

Social media wise, I’m most active on Instagram, but I’m also on Facebook and it’s my favorite thing ever to talk to readers about books and life and all the things. I hope they come find me.

Jenny Wheeler: Are you still doing a blog?

Jennifer Deibel: Not really. There is a blog on my website, but I haven’t updated it in a very long time.

Jenny Wheeler: That’s hardly surprising. With all everything else you’ve got on. Jennifer, it’s been wonderful talking. Thank you so much for your time.

Jennifer Deibel: Oh, thank you so much for having me. It’s been delightful.

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