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Are robots racist? Should we regulate gene editing? Have people stopped trusting experts? Does scientific research make the world a more unequal place? The Received Wisdom is a podcast about how to realize the potential of science and technology by challenging the received wisdom. Join Shobita and Jack as they talk to thinkers and doers from around the world about governing science and technology to make the world a better place.
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Are robots racist? Should we regulate gene editing? Have people stopped trusting experts? Does scientific research make the world a more unequal place? The Received Wisdom is a podcast about how to realize the potential of science and technology by challenging the received wisdom. Join Shobita and Jack as they talk to thinkers and doers from around the world about governing science and technology to make the world a better place.
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1 Episode 39: The Politics of Air Pollution, Ozempic, and Luddism ft. Brian Merchant 1:11:06
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Episode 39: The Politics of Air Pollution, Ozempic, and Luddism ft. Brian Merchant In this episode, Shobita and Jack tackle the EPA's recent efforts to increase monitoring of air pollutants, Jack's new documentary on existential risks, and the Ozempic craze. And Jack chats with Brian Merchant, a freelance journalist who focuses on tech who recently wrote Blood in the machine: The origins of rebellion against big tech about the history of Luddism. Links: - Merchant, Brian. (2023) Blood in the machine: The origins of rebellion against big tech . Hatchette Book Group. New York. - Brian Merchant’s Substack - For UK listeners, an audio adaptation of Blood in the Machine on BBC Radio. - Stilgoe, Jack (2024). How Real is the Existential Risk from AI? Analysis 4. BBC Radio. Transcript and study questions available at thereceivedwisdom.org.…
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1 Episode 38: CRISPR therapies, Boeing, and reconnecting with Alondra Nelson 1:16:20
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In the first episode of 2024, Shobita and Jack reflect on the first CRISPR therapy approved by drug regulators around the world, for sickle cell disease. We also talk about the safety issues plaguing Boeing, and the Post Office scandal roiling the UK and why it matters for regulating AI. And, we reconnect with Alondra Nelson, one of The Received Wisdom's first guests! Alondra Nelson is the Harold F. Linder Professor at the Institute for Advanced Study and previously as deputy assistant to President Joe Biden and acting director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy(OSTP). References: - Elish, M. (2019, March 23). Moral Crumple Zones: Cautionary Tales in Human-Robot Interaction . Engaging Science, Technology, and Society. - Lazar, S and A. Nelson (2023, July 13). " AI safety on whose terms? " Science . 381 (6654): 138 - Zook, M, S. Barocas, d. boyd, K. Crawford, E. Keller, S. P. Gangadharan, A. Goodman, R. Hollander, B.A. Koenig, J. Metcalf, A. Narayanan, A. Nelson, and F. Pasquale (2017, March 30). " Ten simple rules for responsible big data research ." PLOS Computational Biology. - Nelson, A. (2016). The Social Life of DNA: Race, Reparations, and Reconciliation After the Genome . Beacon Press. - Nelson, A, C. Marcum, J. Isler (2022, Fall). " Public Access to Advance Equity ." Issues in Science and Technology. - White House (2022, Oct 4). Blueprint for an AI Bill of Rights .…
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1 Episode 37: Climate Change Realpolitik, Following the Sams, and Evaluating Research ft. Sarah de Rijcke 1:06:36
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TRANSCRIPT This month, Shobita and Jack reflect on the recent COP meeting in the United Arab Emirates, recent AI news including the Biden Administration's Executive Order, the UK summit, and the fates of the two Sams: Altman and Bankman-Fried. And they chat with Sarah de Rijcke, Professor in Science, Technology, and Innovation Studies and Scientific Director at the Centre for Science and Technology Studies at Leiden University in the Netherlands. References: - D'Ignazio, C. and L. F. Klein. Data Feminism . The MIT Press, Cambridge, Massachusetts, 2020. - Andreessen, M. (2023, October 16). The Techno-Optimist Manifesto . Andreessen Horowitz. - de Rijcke, S. (2023). Does science need heroes? Leiden Madtrics blog, CWTS, Leiden University. - Pölönen, J., Rushforth, A.D., de Rijcke, S., Niemi, L., Larsen, B. & Di Donato, F. (2023). Implementing research assessment reforms: Tales from the frontline . - Rushforth, A.D. & de Rijcke, S. (2023). Practicing Responsible Research Assessment: Qualitative study of Faculty Hiring, Promotion, and Tenure Assessments in the United States. Preprint. DOI: 10.31235/osf.io/2d7ax - Scholten, W., Franssen, T.P., Drooge, L. van, de Rijcke, S. & Hessels, L.K. (2021). Funding for few, anticipation among all: Effects of excellence funding on academic research groups. Science and Public Policy, 48(2), 265-275. DOI: 10.1093/scipol/scab018 https://academic.oup.com/spp/article/48/2/265/6184850 - Penders, B., de Rijcke, S. & Holbrook, J.B. (2020). Science’s moral economy of repair: Replication and the circulation of reference . Accountability in Research, first published online January 27, 2020. DOI: 10.1080/08989621.2020.1720659. - Müller, R. & De Rijcke, S. (2017). Thinking with indicators. Exploring the Epistemic Impacts of Academic Performance Indicators in the Life Sciences . Research Evaluation. DOI: 10.1093/reseval/rvx023. Study Questions: 1. What is techno-optimism, and how does it apply in the case of AI? 2. How might we think about the strengths and weaknesses of current efforts to address AI governance by the U.S. government? 3. What are some negative consequences of simplistic performance metrics for research assessment, and why do such metrics remain in use? 4. How do large companies like Elsevier now extend their domain beyond publishing? How might this shape the trajectory of research assessment methods? 5. What hopes exist for better performance metrics for research assessments? More at thereceivedwisdom.org…
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1 Episode 36: Electric Cars, the Problems with Tech Biographies, and Against Technoableism ft. Ashley Shew 1:14:36
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In this episode, Shobita and Jack discuss the United Auto Worker strike, facial recognition technology in schools, and the recent biographies of Elon Musk and Sam Bankman-Fried. And, they interview Ashley Shew, author of Against Technoableism and Associate Professor of Science, Technology, and Society at Virginia Tech. Links - Ashley Shew (2023). Against Technoableism: Rethinking Who Needs Improvement . W.W. Norton. - Virdi, J. (2022). Hearing happiness: Deafness cures in history . The University of Chicago Press. - Nario-Redmond, M. R. (2020). Ableism: The causes and consequences of disability prejudice . Wiley Blackwell. - Ashley Shew (2020). Let COVID-19 expand awareness of disability tech . Nature. May 5. - Weise, J. (n.d.). The Cyborg Jillian Weise . Wheelchair Sports Camp. (2015). Wheelchair Sports Camp . - New York State Education Department (2023). " State Education Department Statement on Release of the Use of Biometric Identifying Technology in Schools Report ." August 7. Study Questions and full transcript available at thereceivedwisdom.org .…
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1 Episode 35: The Long, Hot AI Summer, India's Space Mission, and Addressing Inequality through Innovation ft. Richard Jones
Jack and Shobita are back after a summer hiatus! We return talking about--of course--ChatGPT and other generative AI, the problem at Fukushima, and India's Chandrayaan Rover. Then we chat with Richard A.L. Jones, professor of material physics and innovation policy . He is also the Vice President for Regional Innovation and Civic Engagement at Manchester University. - Richard A.L. Jones (2022). " Science and innovation policy for hard times: an overview of the UK’s Research and Development landscape ."The Productivity Institute. - Tom Forth and Richard A.L. Jones (2020). " The Missing £4 Billion ." Nesta. - Richard A.L. Jones (2019). " A Resurgence of the Regions: rebuilding innovation capacity across the whole UK ." - Richard A.L. Jones and James WIlsdon (2018). " The Biomedical Bubble ."Nesta. Richard A.L. Jones. Soft Machines . Blog. - Jack Stilgoe (2023). " We need a Weizenbaum test for AI ." Science. August 11. - Gil Scott-Heron, (1970) " Whitey on the Moon ." Transcript and study questions available at thereceivedwisdom.org .…
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1 Episode 34: The Importance of the Humanities, Tech Politics, and Equity in Science ft. Cassidy Sugimoto 1:14:43
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Jack and Shobita discuss the decline in humanities majors as the number of computer and data science majors rise, and why this is will have very bad consequences. Then they chat about emerging efforts to regulate both in vitro gametogenesis (creation of eggs and sperm using pluripotent stem cells) and generative AI. Finally, they talk to Cassidy Sugimoto, Professor and Tom and Marie Patton School Chair in the School of Public Policy at Georgia Institute of Technology, about her new book, Equity for Women in Science: Dismantling Systemic Barriers to Advancement. - Nick Anderson (2023). " College is remade as tech majors surge and humanities dwindle ." The Washington Post. May 20. - Center for Genetics and Society (2023). " Whether or How to Use Artificial Gametes ." April 12. - Cassidy Sugimoto (2023). Equity for Women in Science: Dismantling Systemic Barriers to Advancement . Harvard University Press. - Cassidy Sugimoto (2022). " Narrow hiring practices at US universities revealed ." Nature. September 29. - Cassidy Sugimoto (2021). " Scientific success by numbers ." Nature. May 3. - Cassidy Sugimoto (2019). " Rethinking impact factors: Better ways to judge a journal ." Nature. May 28. - Hoppe, Travis A. et al. (2019). “ Topic choice contributes to the lower rate of NIH awards to African-American/black scientists .” Science Advances. 5: eaaw7238. Transcript and discussion questions available at thereceivedwisdom.org .…
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1 Episode 33: Abortion Politics, a Moratorium on Generative AI, and the Meaning of Emergency ft. Elizabeth Ellcessor 1:06:18
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What makes an emergency? This month, Jack and Shobita talk to Elizabeth Ellcessor, Associate Professor in the Department of Media Studies at University of Virginia, who studies how emergency alert systems shape our understanding of crisis, how this has changed with the rise of new consumer technologies, and the implications especially for communities who are marginalized. They also wrestle with the politics of science in US court decisions about abortion drugs, and recent calls for a moratorium on certain types of artificial intelligence. - Future of Life Institute (2023). Policymaking in the Pause: What can Policymakers Do Now to Combat Risks from Advanced AI Systems? - Future of Life Institute et al. (2023). Pause Giant AI Experiments: An Open Letter . - (2023). " In Support of FDA's Authority to Regulate Vaccines ." - Alliance for Hippocratic Medicine v. U.S. Food and Drug Administration (April 7, 2023). - Elizabeth Ellcessor (2022). In Case of Emergency: How Technologies Mediate Crisis and Automate Inequality. NYU Press. - Elizabeth Ellcessor (2021). “ COVID messages make emergency alerts just another text in the crowd on your home screen .” The Conversation . June 9. - Elizabeth Ellcessor (2018). " Academic Accessibility, a Flashback ." April 16. - Matt Richtel (2023). " My Watch Thinks I'm Dead ." The New York Times. February 3. Transcript and study questions available at thereceivedwisdom.org .…
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1 Episode 32: The Politics of Expertise and Retelling the Story of Racism in the Pulse Oximeter ft. Amy Moran-Thomas 1:07:27
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This month, Jack and Shobita talk about the challenges of ensuring that AI and gene editing reflect human values, and reflect on what the recent train derailment in East Palestine, Ohio tells us about the politics of knowledge. And they chat with Amy Moran-Thomas, Associate Professor of Anthropology at MIT, about her clarion call to address the racial biases embedded in the pulse oximeter, at the height of the COVID-19 pandemic in August 2020. - Amy Moran-Thomas (2020). "How a Popular Medical Device Encodes Racial Bias." Boston Review . August 5. - Amy Moran-Thomas (2021). "Oximeters used to be designed for equity. What happened?" WIRED. June 4. - Amy Moran-Thomas (2019). Traveling with Sugar: Chronicles of a Global Epidemic . University of California Press. - Kadija Ferryman (n.d.) " Framing Inequity in Health Technology: The Digital Divide, Data Bias, and Racialization ." SSRC: JustTech. - Andrea Ballestero and Yesmar Oyarzun (2022). " Devices: A location for feminist analytics and praxis ." Feminist Anthropology. 3(2): 227-233. - Yesmar Oyarzun, Juliann Bi, Eddie Jackson (n.d.) Undertones . Study questions and transcript available at thereceivedwisdom.org .…
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1 Episode 31: Science and Society at the White House, ChatGPT, and the Paradox of Data-Driven Agriculture 1:06:58
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Happy New Year!! In this episode, Jack and Shobita discuss Alondra Nelson's departure from the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, and the meaning for the position she created, Deputy Director for Science and Society. We also try to get beyond ChatGPT's hype to talk about some of the long-term implications. And we chat with Kelly Bronson, Canada Research Chair in Science and Society at the University of Ottawa, about her book The Immaculate Conception of Data: Agribusiness, Activists, and Their Shared Politics of the Future. - Kelly Bronson (2022). The Immaculate Conception of Data: Agribusiness, Activists, and Their Shared Politics of the Future . McGill-Queen's University Press. - Kelly Bronson (2022). " The dangers of big data extend to farming ." The Conversation . June 27. - Kelly Bronson (2022). " Four reasons we should think twice about a data-driven approach to agricultural sustainability ." September 26. - Kelly Bronson (2017). " Look twice at the digital agricultural revolution ." September 7. - Billy Perrigo (2023). " Exclusive: OpenAI Used Kenyan Workers on Less Than $2 Per Hour to Make ChatGPT Less Toxic ." Time. January 18. - Jill (2022). " ChatGPT is multilingual but monocultural, and it’s learning your values ." December 6. Transcript available at thereceivedwisdom.org…
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1 Episode 30: The Future of Academic Culture, Cryptocurrency, and Abortion ft. Aziza Ahmed 57:30
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This month, Shobita and Jack talk about the recent concerns about academic culture in the science and technology studies community, how to understand FTX's recent implosion, and the bizarre logics of effective altruism. And we chat with Boston University law professor Aziza Ahmed about how the politics of knowledge are shaping abortion politics in the United States. - Darren Tseng, Stephen Diehl, Jan Akalin (2022). Popping the Crypto Bubble: Market Manias, Phony Populism, Techno-Solutionism . Consilience Publishing. - Concerned.Tech (2022). " Letter in Support of Responsible Fintech Policy ." - Aziza Ahmed (2022). " These are the gray areas for women’s privacy now in a post-Roe world ." CNN Opinion. August 4. - Aziza Ahmed (2021). " The Future of Facts: The Politics of Public Health and Medicine in Abortion Law ." University of Colorado Law Review . 92: 1151-1162. - Aziza Ahmed (2020). " Weaponizing Objectivity: The Politics of the CDC ." Ms. Magazine. October 28. - Aziza Ahmed (2020). " Will the Supreme Court legitimate pretext? " SCOTUSblog . January 31. - Aziza Ahmed (2017). " Abortion in a Post-Truth Moment: A Response to Erwin Chemerinsky and Michele Goodwin ." Texas Law Review . 95: 198-203. Transcript available at thereceivedwisdom.org .…
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1 Episode 29: British Politics, the CHIPS and Science Act, and Rethinking the Green Revolution ft. Glenn Stone 59:13
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Jack and Shobita chat about the disasters in British politics, the CHIPS and Science Act, and how to determine whether self-driving cars are safe. Plus we chat with anthropologist Glenn Davis Stone, Professor at Sweet Briar College and author of the recent book The Agricultural Dilemma: How Not to Feed the World . Stone argues that we've been learning the story of the Green Revolution all wrong, and this has huge implications for how we think about more recent agricultural technologies like fertilizer and genetically modified organisms. Links related to the episode:Dan Reed and Darío Gil (2022). " Insufficient NSF funding could doom the Chips and Science Act ." The Hill. October 13.Centre for Data Ethics and Innovation (2022). " Responsible Innovation in Self-Driving Vehicles ." Glenn Davis Stone (2022). The Agricultural Dilemma: How Not to Feed the World . Routledge.Glenn Davis Stone (2022). " Surveillance Agriculture and Peasant Autonomy ." Journal of Agrarian Change. Glenn Davis Stone (2020). " A Long-term Analysis of a Controversial GMO Crop ." Nature Plants. March 13.Glenn Davis Stone (2020). " The Philippines has rated ‘Golden Rice’ safe, but farmers might not plant it ." The Conversation . February 7. Study Questions: How is the CHIPS and Science Act being framed in the United States? What are the problems with the conventional tale of the Green Revolution? Why has the myth of the Green Revolution been so persistent? What is the problem with GMOs, and specifically BT crops, in India? How have publics gotten more involved in the decisions of the agricultural system? What are the impacts?…
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1 Episode 28: The Politics of Open Access, Alzheimer’s Research, and Ghost Work ft. Mary Gray 1:11:58
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It's a new season of The Received Wisdom!! After their partial summer hiatus, Shobita and Jack discuss the fraud allegations that are rocking the foundations of what we know about Alzheimer's Disease, and the Biden Administration's directive to make freely available all publications based on federally funded research. And, they chat with Macarthur Fellow Mary Gray about the "ghost workers" behind digital technologies and supposedly artificial intelligence. Gray is Senior Principal Researcher at Microsoft Research, Faculty Associate at Harvard University’s Berkman Klein Center for Internet and Society, and faculty in the Luddy School of Informatics, Computing, and Engineering with affiliations in Anthropology and Gender Studies at Indiana University. Relevant Links - Charles Piller (2022). " Blots on a Field? " Science. July 21. - The White House (2022). " Breakthroughs for All: Delivering Equitable Access to America’s Research ." OSTP Blog. August 25. - Mary L. Gray and Siddharth Suri (2019). Ghost Work: How to Stop Silicon Valley from Building a Global Underclass . Boston: Houghton Mifflin Harcourt. - National Academies of Science, Engineering, and Medicine (2022). Fostering Responsible Computing Research: Foundations and Practices . Washington, DC: The National Academies Press. - Mary L. Gray with Catherine Powell (2021). " The Emerging Technology Underclass ." Council on Foreign Relations’ Women and Foreign Policy Roundtable Series and Roundtable Series on Cybersecurity and Cyberconflict. - Margaret Bourdeaux, Mary L. Gray, and Barbara Grosz (2020). " How human-centered tech can beat COVID-19 through contact tracing ." The Hill . April 20. Study questions and full transcript available at thereceivedwisdom.org…
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1 Episode 27: How could self-driving cars change the world? - Part 2 30:40
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This episode is the second of Jack’s investigations into self-driving cars. Last time, he was interested in Phoenix, Arizona. This time, he’s back home in London, an old, complicated, messy city with an extensive public transport system. The episode was presented and written by Jack Stilgoe and edited by Gemma Milne, with research assistance from Nuzhah Miah. Relevant links - Joe Moran, (2006). Crossing the road in Britain, 1931–1976. The Historical Journal , 49 (2), 477-496. - Joe Moran (2010). On roads: a hidden history. Profile Books. - Lucy Suchman (1987). Plans and situated actions: The problem of human-machine communication . Cambridge university press. - Peter Norton (2011). Fighting traffic: the dawn of the motor age in the American city . MIT Press. - Peter Norton (2021). Autonorama: The Illusory Promise of High-tech Driving . Island Press. - https://www.wayve.ai/ (and the company’s published papers, e.g.: Hawke, J., Badrinarayanan, V., & Kendall, A. (2021). Reimagining an autonomous vehicle. arXiv preprint arXiv:2108.05805). - Chris Tennant, & Jack Stilgoe, (2021). The attachments of ‘autonomous’ vehicles. Social Studies of Science, 51(6), 846-870. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/03063127211038752 - Tennant, C., Neels, C., Parkhurst, G., Jones, P., Mirza, S., & Stilgoe, J. (2021). Code, culture and concrete: Self-Driving Vehicles and the Rules of the Road. Frontiers in Sustainable Cities , 122. Transcript and study questions available at thereceivedwisdom.org .…
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1 Episode 26: How could self-driving cars change the world? - Part 1 31:13
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This month is a bit different. This episode is the first part of an investigation, led by Jack, into self-driving cars, trying to locate the technology in particular places. The first part focuses on Phoenix, Arizona, a testbed for some of the technology’s most ambitious developers and also the scene of the first self-driving car crash to kill a pedestrian. Jack talks to various experts - historians, crash investigators, journalists and tech company representatives - to ask what the technology might mean for different places. The second part moves to Jack’s home town, London. The episode was presented and written by Jack Stilgoe and edited by Gemma Milne, with research assistance from Nuzhah Miah. - Jack Stilgoe, (2019) Who Killed Elaine Herzberg?, OneZero, 12 Dec 2019, https://onezero.medium.com/who-killed-elaine-herzberg-ea01fb14fc5e - Chris Tennant, & Jack Stilgoe, (2021). The attachments of ‘autonomous’ vehicles. Social Studies of Science , 51 (6), 846-870. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/03063127211038752 - Lucy Suchman, (2019). Demystifying the intelligent machine. In Cyborg Futures (pp. 35-61). Palgrave Macmillan, Cham. https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-21836-2_3 - Madeleine C Elish, (2019). Moral Crumple Zones: Cautionary Tales in Human-Robot Interaction. Engaging Science, Technology, and Society , 5 , 40-60. - Peter Norton, (2011). Fighting traffic: the dawn of the motor age in the American city . Mit Press. - Wetmore, J. (2003). Driving the dream. The history and motivations behind 60 years of automated highway systems in America. Automotive History Review , 7 , 4-19. Full transcript and study questions available at thereceivedwisdom.org .…
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1 Episode 25: Science in Abortion Politics and the Failure of One Laptop Per Child ft. Morgan Ames 1:07:10
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This month, Shobita and Jack discuss how scientists are engaging in the boiling politics of abortion in the United States, the implications of large language models (a new type of artificial intelligence), and Elon Musk's possible takeover of Twitter. And we have a fascinating conversation with Morgan Ames about her award-winning book The Charisma Machine , which focuses on the global One Laptop Per Child project. Ames is Professor of Practice at the School of Information and Associate Director of Research for the Center for Science, Technology, Medicine and Society at the University of California, Berkeley. - Morgan G. Ames (2019). The Charisma Machine: The Life, Death, and Legacy of One Laptop Per Child . MIT Press. - Morgan G. Ames (2021). " Laptops alone can’t bridge the digital divide ." MIT Technology Review . October 27. - Morgan G. Ames (2019). " Future Generations will Suffer if we Don't Solve Unequal Access to Tech ." Pacific Standard . April 2. - Morgan G. Ames (2019). " The Smartest People in the Room? What Silicon Valley’s Supposed Obsession with Tech-Free Private Schools Really Tells Us ." LA Review of Books. October 18. - Roger A. Pielke Jr. (2007). The Honest Broker: Making Sense of Science in Policy and Politics . Cambridge University Press. - Dan Sarewitz (2013). " Science must be seen to bridge the political divide ." Nature. 493: 7. - Johanna Okerlund, Evan Klasky, Aditya Middha, Sujin Kim, Hannah Rosenfeld, Molly Kleinman, Shobita Parthasarathy (2022). What’s in the Chatterbox? Large Language Models, Why They Matter, and What We Should Do About Them . Technology Assessment Project, Science, Technology, and Public Policy Project, University of Michigan. - Richard Van Noorden (2022). " How language-generation AIs could transform science ." Nature . April 28. Study Questions: 1) What are the problems with scientists taking such a prominent role in the abortion debate, especially in the US? 2) What was the hope behind the One Laptop Per Child project, and how did it fail? 3) What biases lay underneath the One Laptop Per Child project, in the idea, the design, and the implementation? 4) What role does hype play in shaping our understanding of emerging technologies? What are its positive and negative dimensions? 5) Could a One Laptop Per Child-type project ever be successful? How? Transcript available at thereceivedwisdom.org .…
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