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Rock That Doesn’t Roll looks at how Christian music shaped the world we're living in now by telling individual stories from the peak era of the contemporary Christian music industry. In the 80s, 90s and early 2000s CCM grew into a billion dollar business that affected millions of evangelical young people. Through interviews with artists, industry players and average fans we trace the long-lasting personal, cultural and political impact of sometimes cringe-worthy music. Expect hilarious momen ...
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Weird Religion

Brian Doak and Leah Payne

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Weird Religion is a podcast for people who think religion is weird but love it anyway. Your hosts, Leah Payne and Brian Doak, are both professors, authors, and pop culture aficionados, whose interests range from archaeology and history and linguistics to LARPing and The Walking Dead. Episodes tackle some piece of media highlighting the wonderful weirdness of religious experience—a documentary, a television show, a Twitter scandal—and use that as a "thread" on which to hang reflections on a w ...
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Good art - especially independent art - doesn't just happen. Host Garret Godfrey explores some of the best ways we all can be more supportive of faith-based independent music, including interviews and the latest crowdfunding campaigns.
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An ongoing, thoughtful conversation about the reading life brought to you by the editors and contributors to the Englewood Review of Books. Panelists discuss how they engage in reading, what it means to read well, and of course the books and writers they enjoy. Expect lively discussions about books from all genres from a rotating group of writers and readers who care about reading well.
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eleventylife

Rock Candy Recordings

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Matt and Davey, along with a rotating cast of guests, explore what success and failure looks like in the music industry through the lens of their band Eleventyseven.
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An Educated Life podcast is about the extraordinary world of higher education. We talk about life outside the classroom, the beautiful lessons we can learn from each other, and the pursuit of academic and vocational passion. Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/aneducatedlife/support
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Today’s political and cultural polarization has led to suspicion and animosity in our churches, our workplaces, and even our families. It has also led to a false sense that our options are limited to choosing a side. But there is a better way. Shirley Mullen invites readers to claim the powerful, redemptive potential of the courageous middle. Far f…
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In this bonus episode Leah and Andrew talk with Blake Chastain, the first person to use "exvangelical" as a hashtag (and host of the Exvangelical podcast) about his book, "Exvangelical and Beyond: How American Christianity Went Radical and the Movement That's Fighting Back." He shares about his time as a "bookstore guy" and how the academic concept…
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Chris spoke with two first-time guests, Sarah Bessey and Sarah McCammon about the Exvangelical movement and so-called 'deconstruction' in American Christianity. They speak about their own experiences in conservative, evangelical Christianity, how they approached deconstruction, what they are observing about deconstruction in our cultural moment, an…
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As we launch into September, Garret brings you a bunch of active campaigns and preorders to consider interesting in - plus this month's 'Good Patron Challenge.' --- SPOTLIGHT CAMPAIGN --- * Russ Taff - Cover Story * https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/notdead/russ-taffs-extraordinary-new-album-cover-story --- OTHER CAMPAIGNS --- * Jars of Clay - M…
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Today we're sharing an episode from another Big Questions Project podcast: Mother Is A Question. "This episode is called "Mother Is A Song," and we’re traveling to a place and time when mama was the muse–back when musicians in the U.S. were constantly singing about “the one who’s always true,” as one of these songs goes. One hundred years ago in th…
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If there's one music genre lampooned more than Christian rock, it might just be ska. And Christian ska? Expect next level ridicule. But a lovable band of misfits from Denver, Colorado managed to do something that might seem unthinkable: combine two maligned genres and become a cultural phenomenon with an enduring cult following. On the season two f…
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There are a lot of new crowdfunding campaigns this month, and Garret brings you the scoop - plus a new listener challenge. --- SPOTLIGHT CAMPAIGN --- * Sara Groves - Add to the Beauty (20th birthday vinyl reissue) * https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/galaxy21music/sara-groves-add-to-the-beauty-on-vinyl-and-remastered-cd --- OTHER CAMPAIGNS --- * …
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Picture this. It's 1986. The Cold War is at a fever pitch. The whole world is locked into a conflict between the Forces of Freedom, and the Commies... at least that's how it felt to 80s kids. But the Cold War wasn't the only threat facing American society. Many feared that a much more sinister enemy lurking in the shadows: the devil himself. During…
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Joel hosted a conversation with two first-time podcast guests all about 'CCM' or 'Contemporary Christian Music.' They explore various cultural aspects of 'CCM,' as well as the reality of profit-driven corporate influence. Larry Norman figures prominently in their discussion, and Joel reflects a bit on his experience as a 90s kid immersed in this in…
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How do you make fake Contemporary Christian Music? Creating fictional Christian music that feels authentic without crossing the line into parody or pastiche is a tricky artistic challenge. But we found the creators up to the task. Joseph Stephens, composer for HBO's The Righteous Gemstones, a crime-comedy about a family of musical televangelists, a…
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The beloved Little Housebooks by Laura Ingalls Wilder have sold over 60 million copies since their publication in the first half of the twentieth century. Even her unpolished memoir, Pioneer Girl, which tells the true story behind the children’s books, was widely embraced upon its release in 2014. Despite Wilder’s enduring popularity, few fans know…
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Garret shares the value of genuinely listening to music. He also shares the latest crowdfunding campaigns, pre-orders, and an exclusive interview with UTR founder Dave Trout. --- SPOTLIGHT CAMPAIGN --- * Starflyer 59 - Lust for Gold pre-order * https://velvetbluemusic.com/?product=starflyer-59-lust-for-gold --- OTHER CAMPAIGNS --- * Galactic Cowboy…
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Episode Description Matt sits down with Julian Dreyer to discuss the role of Spotify in the music industry. Listen to Eleventyseven on Spotify Rock Candy Studios - Production, Mixing & Mastering. Eleventylife FB Group - Stay in touch with all things Eleventy Discord Channel - Find friends on the Eleventylife Discord Channel.…
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KUOW's podcast Let The Kids Dance! is the story of Seattle's Teen Dance Ordinance in a seven-part docuseries chronicling an untold chapter of pop-culture history. It’s a story about moral panic, grassroots activism and an unstoppable music community that fought for its freedom, created and hosted by Jonathan Zwickel. The TDO made it impossible for …
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What happened to the kids raised during the peak era of Christian rock? For insight into the state of Christian rock's late 1990s-early aughts evangelicalism you need not look any further than members of DC Talk, the pinnacle of youth group music. Their trajectory as artists and public figures roughly maps on to the trajectories of the millions of …
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The story of five best-selling novels beloved by evangelicals, the book industry they built, and the collective imagination they shaped Who are evangelicals? And what is evangelicalism? Those attempting to answer these questions usually speak in terms of political and theological stances. But those stances emerge from an evangelical world with its …
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This month, Garret's challenge is to support indie music by buying it on Bandcamp. Plus he has the latest in crowdfunding campaigns. --- SPOTLIGHT CAMPAIGN --- The Choir - Free Flying Soul (Vinyl reissue and CD remaster) https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/thechoir/free-flying-soul-vinyl-and-cd-the-choir --- OTHER CAMPAIGNS --- Katherine Perry - 5…
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Purity culture wasn’t just for youth group “purity girls.” “Purity bros” were also a part of the project! No one knows that more than Joshua Harris, a CCM fan who helped turn purity culture into an extreme sport. Together with his friend, Christian music superstar Rebecca St. James, they created media that inspired a generation of evangelicals to s…
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In 2001, teen singing sensation Nikki Leonti was on her way to a promising Christian music career. She had two hit CCM records, and - as a pop princess who swore to refrain from premarital sex - the support of big evangelical media organizations like James Dobson’s Focus on the Family. But then, at age 18, the “purity girl” Leonti announced she was…
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In God Gave Rock and Roll to You (OUP, 2024), Leah Payne traces the history and trajectory of CCM in America and, in the process, demonstrates how the industry, its artists, and its fans shaped–and continue to shape–conservative, (mostly) white, evangelical Protestantism. For many outside observers, evangelical pop stars, interpretive dancers, pupp…
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In the 1990s, music critics argue that hip hop was in its golden age. Mainstream Top 40 charts were filled with hits from The Notorious B.I.G, Tupac Shakur, and Dr. Dre. But the Contemporary Christian charts lagged far, far behind. What took so long for holy hip hop to take off? With insight from Dr. Jonathan Calvillo (author of In the Time of Sky-…
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Have you ever hosted or attended a house-show concert? It's a unique experience, and becoming a host can be really supportive to indie artists. Garret has some exclusive conversations on the topic, plus a rundown of the latest crowdfunding campaigns. --- SPOTLIGHT CAMPAIGN --- Stephen McNeill - Centerpiece Volume III: Life Together https://www.kick…
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Exhibiting Evangelicalism provides the first account of the growth and development of historical museums created by white evangelical Christians in the United States over the twentieth and twenty-first centuries. Exploring the histories of the Museum of the Bible, the Billy Graham Center Museum, the Billy Sunday Home, and Park Street Church, Devin …
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In 1999, ​singer-songwriter Jennifer Knapp was at the top of the Christian music world. Her debut album Kansas was gold-certified, she'd won four Gospel Music Association Dove Awards, and she was on tour with some of the top bands in the business. It seemed like Knapp was destined to be the ultimate ​rockstar poster child for evangelical teens - es…
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The audio for this episode was recorded during a live event in collaboration with The Table and Gravity Commons, in which Matt Tebbe interviewed Jon DePue (co-author of 'Beyond Justification' with Douglas Campbell). The conversation focuses on the themes of this book, common interpretations of Paul's theology and ways to re-approach Paul with new l…
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In the second season of Rock That Doesn't Roll, hosts Dr. Leah Payne and Andrew Gill look at how Christian music shaped the world we're living in now. Topics covered in season two include hip hop, feminism, purity culture, hair metal and more. Episodes publish every other week starting on April 24. Do you have a Christian rock story to tell? Leave …
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We have more ways for you to move from being a fan to being a good patron of the music you love - including a rundown of several current crowdfunding campaigns. Garret also has a one-on-one interview with indie singer-songwriter LOVKN. --- SPOTLIGHT CAMPAIGN --- * Gileah Taylor - Slow Parade * https://gileahtaylor.bandcamp.com/album/slow-parade-2 -…
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Cultural Christians in the Early Church, which aims to be both historical and practical, argues that cultural Christians were the rule, rather than the exception, in the early church. Using different categories of sins as its organizing principle, the book considers the challenge of culture to the earliest converts to Christianity, as they struggle…
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Chris sat down at the recent CCDA conference with two first-time podcast guests, Stephanie Vander Lugt and Kimberlee Medicine Horn Jackson, each of whom hosted CCDA workshops. They discuss their work as it relates to the religious practices of indigenous people, the importance of attentiveness, and of course, what they are currently reading. **This…
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In 1908, Unitarian pastor Bertrand Thompson observed the momentous growth of the labor movement with alarm. “Socialism,” he wrote, “has become a distinct substitute” for the church. He was not wrong. In the generation after the Civil War, few of the migrants who moved North and West to take jobs in factories and mines had any association with tradi…
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In this bonus episode, Andrew and Leah talk with Lars Gotrich of NPR Music, the producer who brought Amy Grant to play a Tiny Desk Concert. Lars shares how he went from "judgy Christian punk rocker" to someone good at existing in two worlds at once. To hear the full interview, join our Patreon at https://www.patreon.com/rtdr Find Lars’ playlists an…
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Garret has a monthly challenge involving artists on Patreon... and some practical ways to get involved in current crowdfunding campaigns. --- SPOTLIGHT CAMPAIGN --- Mad at the World - Love and Despair https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/matw2024/mad-at-the-world-love-and-despair --- OTHER CAMPAIGNS --- * Seth Davey - Kingdom Rising - https://www.k…
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Chris hosted a lively and interactive conversation between first-time guest David Fitch and returning guest Myles Werntz concerning the thesis of David's brand-new book from Brazos Press, the use of power in ministry and the institution of the church, whether power and conflict can be leveraged healthily in community, and of course what they are cu…
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What happens when one of the country’s most outspoken critics of white male Christian political conservatism sits down with a well-known white male conservative Christian political pundit? Find out, as Kristin Du Mez and David French discuss politics, culture, and the desperate need for hospitality in the digital age on No Small Endeavor with Lee C…
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Jen sat down (live!) with two first-time podcast guests at the recent CCDA conference: E.K. Strawser and Lisa Rodriguez-Watson. They have an impassioned discussion about the importance of contextualizing discipleship work in the setting of the local congregation, as well as the importance of Western Christians listening to the global church. Books …
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Matt sits down with Dr. Leah Payne of The Wierd Religion Podcast to talk about her new book God Gave Rock & Roll To You. Interview starts at 17:50 Listen to Eleventyseven on Spotify Rock Candy Studios - Production, Mixing & Mastering. Eleventylife FB Group - Stay in touch with all things Eleventy Discord Channel - Find friends on the Eleventylife D…
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Garret has a monthly challenge for you to become a good patron... and some practical ways to get involved on current crowdfunding campaigns. --- SPOTLIGHT CAMPAIGN --- The Call - Lost Tapes Plus https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/thecallband/the-call-new-album-unreleased-tracks-remastered-lps/ --- OTHER CAMPAIGNS --- * Leslie Perez - 5 song EP - …
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Chris sat down with 3 co-authors and first-time podcast guests at the recent CCDA conference to discuss their work in the intersection of the topics of disability, inclusion, ministry leadership and the life of the church. Books Mentioned in this Episode: Disabling Leadership: A Practical Theology for the Broken Body of Christ by Andrew Draper, Jod…
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Matt sits down with Luke Huff of Glitch Gum to talk about the new remix he dropped of Eleventy's song Mascot. Listen to Eleventyseven on Spotify Rock Candy Studios - Check out our production work and record with us at the studio. Eleventylife FB Group - Stay in touch with all things Eleventy Discord Channel - Find friends on the Eleventylife Discor…
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On this special episode, Garret has an exclusive interview with Dr. Leah Payne - co-host of the 'Rock That Doesn't Roll' podcast, and author of the upcoming book 'God Gave Rock & Roll To You.' --- CAMPAIGNS & LINKS --- * Leah's book preorder - https://global.oup.com/academic/product/god-gave-rock-and-roll-to-you-9780197555248?cc=us&lang=en& * RSVP …
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In this bonus episode Leah and Andrew interview Jim Cooper, the composer who wrote and recorded the original score for Rock That Doesn't Roll. He talks about growing up in the DC area, getting obsessed with Fugazi and Dischord Records, then throwing away all his secular music. The full hour-long interview is at our Patreon. The conversation goes on…
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In Gin, Jesus, and Jim Crow, Brendan J. J. Payne reveals how prohibition helped realign the racial and religious order in the South by linking restrictions on alcohol with political preaching and the disfranchisement of Black voters. While both sides invoked Christianity, prohibitionists redefined churches’ doctrines, practices, and political engag…
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The podcast crew (Jen, Chris & Joel) is joined once again by Ashley Hales for our favorite topic: the books we enjoyed the most this year! ERB Contributors from 2023 also offer their suggestions throughout, so we cover a wide, wide range of titles. Enjoy this veritable feast of reading suggestions to keep you occupied until next year! Books Mention…
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What has been the history of the Conference on Faith and History? What have been the high points, the difficult points, and what have we learned as an organization that seeks to explore the relationship between the Christian faith and history? And what would one generation of historians wish to pass on to the next generation of historians? Listen i…
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‘Tis the season for holiday specials and Andrew Gill (producer, Sound Opinions) and Leah Payne (author, God Gave Rock and Roll to You) of Rock that Doesn’t Roll are bringing you a surprise holiday gift: weirdly specific awards for Contemporary Christian Music Christmas tunes! So come on, ring those bells, grab your Christmas shoes, and get ready to…
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