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Between the Lines

Sarah M. Eden, Traci Hunter Abramson, Esther Hatch and Sian Ann Bessey

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Join award-winning and best-selling fiction authors Sarah M. Eden, Traci Hunter Abramson, Esther Hatch, and Sian Ann Bessey as they gather around the figurative kitchen table to talk and laugh about books, writing, and life. Between the Lines: a podcast for readers and writers
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This is a podcast for the wounded, the misfits, and the spiritual refugees to let you know you are not alone. We're here to cultivate love and hope in the wilderness. We believe the story of God is bigger, wider, more inclusive and welcoming, filled with more love, than we could ever imagine. There's room here for everyone. There's room here for you.
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45-minute conversations and investigations with today's leading thinkers, authors, experts, doctors, healers, scientists about life's biggest questions: Why do we do what we do? How can we come to know and love ourselves better? How can we come together to heal and build a better world?
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The Profile

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Find out what makes influential Christian leaders tick! Hear the faith stories of a huge range of church leaders, musicians, preachers and more, as they share how God has led and guided them through both valleys and mountain-top experiences. The Profile brings you in-depth interviews to help you learn from the wisdom and experiences of people who have gone all-in for God. Past guests include church leaders such as HTB’s Nicky Gumbel, the world renown DJ Moby, Bible teachers Joyce Meyer and J ...
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Sinner Saint Sister is a Christian podcast that dives into whatever we might be feeling that day through a soulful interview with a thoughtful guest. I hope you hear something that lets you know you are loved and helps you love one another.
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Reclaiming My Theology is a podcast and community taking our theology back from ideas and systems that oppress. My name is Brandi Miller, some of you know me as @brandinico in online spaces. For over a decade, I have been exploring, unlearing, and reimagining my faith outside of systemic oppression and want to bring you along with me! Each season of the podcast will be a deep dive into a form of systemic oppression and ask how the values of oppressive ideas shape our hearts, minds, politics, ...
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CBF Church Starts Conversations provide a platform for sharing best practices, practical lessons, and harness community. The call to start a new church is quite astonishing and can often be intimidating. Discerning what that looks like, where that will take place, and how that unfolds can be equally challenging. Therefore, nurturing and fostering a sense of call is a vital component in the journey of potential church starters. This is where CBF New Church Start Initiative wants to exist. We ...
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“One of the things about practices that I love is this notion of it's not perfect. I haven't got it mastered, just by the very word, it's implied that I'm working it into my life and out of my life and through my life, almost like in my mind, I'm picturing like a woman who's like kneading it into bread dough. And so then there's the room. There's r…
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The bestselling Christian author Sarah Bessey gives us a glimpse into her "evolving faith" in this week's edition of The Profile podcast. In reflecting on her spiritual journey thus far, Sarah explains how she's been able to hold onto faith during periods of turmoil, and why she retains a respect for a variety of church traditions and expressions. …
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“I remember a wonderful psychologist was talking about, we shouldn't, should on ourselves. Don't should on yourself. And it's all of what I should do. And there's a big lie for new moms, which is that when the baby is born, you should take care of the baby. You're the best person. You're the mother. There's no one else who's going to take care of y…
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In this engaging interview, the principal of Spurgeon's College, Rev Prof Philip McCormack reflects on his work as a miltiary chaplain in Afghanistan, for which he received an MBE. Talking about the strong influence of faith from an early age he shares memories of attending Sunday school and the profound impact of witnessing the genuine faith and s…
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Andy Peck talks with Mark Arnold, the Additional Needs Ministry Director for Urban Saints and the co-founder of the Additional Needs Alliance. They discus the neurodiversity language, how leaders can better lead those with additional needs and whether local churches are improving in their provision.The Profile is brought to you by Premier Christian…
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“You can't be independent if you're not deeply connected. So what happens to a child that's not deeply connected? What actually happens? Guess what happens? They don't feel the confidence to be able to take risks. They don't feel the confidence to go out and be self-sufficient. They don't feel the confidence in doing it. So we're actually backbitin…
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The apologist and spoken word poet Preston Perry speaks to Emma Fowle about growing up in gangs, finding Christ and how God convicted him about his old approach to evangelism. Preston is the author of new book How to Tell the Truth: The story of how God saved me to win hearts – not just arguments (Hodder). You can also read this interview in Premie…
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Andy Peck talks with the executive director of the Railway Mission about his oversight of chaplains who serve across the mainland UK Rail Network. They discuss the current dispute between ASLEF and the Government, consider the challenges of fatalities that occur on average every 30 hours, and why the Mission’s work is such ‘good value for money’. T…
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“Our anger is “I'm angry because something happened that I feel was unjust or unfair” And if it continues, then I want my justice and you know, our injustices from childhood turn out to be society's burdens because I want payback here, even though you had nothing to do with it. So, hate and love go together because they're both strongly bonding con…
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Hi, It’s Elise, host of Pulling the Thread. Starting next Monday, I’m doing another special series—this one is about growing up, and no, it’s definitely not just for parents. It’s mostly about re-parenting, or understanding the driving factors of how we all come to understand the world. You’ll hear from four very different voices about childhood, s…
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“So when we think about this, what is the aura? Many people have an idea of the aura as something that is around you and a lovely bubble or sphere of energy. Maybe you've seen pictures of an egg shape, but what's really important to understand about the aura is that it comes from inside you and it's only as strong as your vitality. So you can think…
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Andy Peck talks with the youth and student co-ordinator at Kintsugi Hope, a charity that was set up to support those with mental and emotional health challenges. They look at why we are all on a spectrum when it comes to mental health and how we can wisely have conversations that can assist young people and students who are finding things especiall…
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On this week's episode, Emma Fowle speaks to the Christian writer and broadcaster Sheridan Voysey. The Pause for Thought contributor shares about giving up his career as a club DJ and how he and his wife dealt with infertility. He also tells his personal story of leaving a Christain cult and updates us on his research into loneliness and friendship…
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“What optogenetics does is it's an engine of discovery. It helps us identify what matters, what's causing things to happen in the brain. And we know now the cells and the connections make these powerful motivations and drives manifest. That opens the door to any kind of new treatment, right? If you know the cells, then you can look at the DNA and t…
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Andy Peck talks with the president of Westmont College, a Christian Liberal Arts College in Santa Barbara, California about his book: The Crucibles that Shape Us: navigating the defining challenges of leadership. They discuss the 7 crucibles he outlines, the tumultuous times faced by the College, and which of the crucibles might be especially apt f…
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“All growing up stages are the product of scientific investigation of the stages of growing up that people go through. And those are all defined in third person terms because they're the person or thing being spoken about. When we talk about the archaic stage or the magic stage or the mythic stage, if you look within right now, you can't see any of…
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“I really think that the past, we can go back to it and we definitely learn lessons because I'm always a hindsight person. So in hindsight, I'm always thinking that, okay, what could I have done better? But the past experiences for me, I've learned as I've gotten older, is to grab the lesson. And hopefully there's a blessing in there too. And then …
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Andy Peck talks with the author of ‘Mindful Formation: A Pathway to Spiritual Liberation’ about Christian mindfulness. What is the biblical backing for the idea? How might it function in a Christian leader’s life and be an antidote to extreme stress and anxiety?The Profile is brought to you by Premier Christianity, the UK's leading Christian magazi…
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“I think we need each other. I say this all the time, there are some things that are too big to feel in one body. You need a collective body to move them through. And I think that's what we need. We need to come together in spaces to heal, not just to consume together or to watch a movie together, but to feel together and to have human emotion in r…
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“This is the richness of the traditional wife explosion, right? There's this simple idea that you get to choose. Now you're choosing to emulate a situation that's a fiction in that those women didn't choose anything. They had to dress like that. They had to live like that. They had to be nice to the men like that, because they had no bank accounts.…
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Andy Peck talks with Bishop Emma Ineson about her book, Ambition: What Jesus Said About Power, Success and Counting Stuff.They discuss when ambition is good and when it’s bad, how we serve before an ‘audience of one’ and why statistics can help the Church if used wisely and humbly. This was originally broadcast in 2019. The Profile is brought to yo…
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“Here's what I would say: peace will happen when people invest in cultivating peace as opposed to war. Peace will happen. And one thing I know, for me, I know peace, I know I will never see it, but maybe I can put something in place to where I leave something here and my children's, children's, children's grandchildren can nibble off of and feed on…
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Shaun is a West End veteran, having played Mufasa in the Lion King for over 16 years. He’s also a soul and RnB artist who has recorded six critically-acclaimed solo albums, and sung with stars including Beverley Knight, Angie Stone and Erykah Badu, as well as touring with Michael Ball and Alfie Boe.On today’s podcast, he shares his story of getting…
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“There are studies showing that, once your basic needs are met, and you're not worried about losing your house, losing your health care, increases in money don't significantly increase happiness, right? So I think, you know, money helps alleviate the very real biological primitive fear of you're gonna die if you don't have shelter and food and in o…
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In this episode, Brandi is joined by Allison Sanders to talk about tradwives. They dive into the history of this broader idea and the ways that it reinforces the binaries, roles, and expectations that build what we know of as purity culture. If you like what you hear you can subscribe, rate, review, or tell others about the show. You can help make …
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Andy Peck talks with the co-authors of ‘The Hopeful Activist: discovering the vital change you were made to bring’ about developing biblically based understanding of initiating political and social change. Rich has co-led Tearfund's policy and advocacy work on plastics and waste. Rachel has worked in communications for an international Christian ch…
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“There are therapies where the person is made to relive their traumas over and over and over again. It's called flooding. And that's the one type of therapy that I do not agree with. I think it, not all the time, but it can be harmful, again, in somatic experiencing, we titrate the experience, we touch into a sensation in our bodies that have to do…
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As part of mental health awareness week, Sam Hailes talks to Patrick Regan, founder of Christian mental health charity Kintsugi Hope on mediating between Jamaican gang leaders, facing criticism from fellow Christians, and why the Bible is full of wisdom on mental health.You can also read this interview on premierchristianity.comThe Profile is broug…
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“In writing my book, I wanted to bring it back to the self because being online allows us to have this inappropriate level of audacity. And I think audacity is a very beautiful thing, but it gets so inappropriate online where you can go into Elise's messages and say, “by the way, I saw you liked this, you should be liking this, prove yourself to me…
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Andy Peck speaks with Jamie Phear, former Professor of English in the US and now writing full time and helping women develop their calling. They discuss how calling may change over time and why having a regular retreat is so beneficial. The Profile is brought to you by Premier Christianity, the UK's leading Christian magazine Subscribe now from $1/…
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“Now the tragedy, in one sense is a tragedy, that often people only become open when they've suffered horribly when that is both the tragedy of trauma, but also the promise. It's one thing to be trauma informed. It's another thing to inform our experience of trauma with some kind of courage and some kind of hopefulness for profound change. That's w…
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“I realized I think there's a few things that are in our heads that are so deep in the culture. One of them is the idea that being overweight is a sin. It goes right back to if you look at Pope Gregory I in the 6th century when he first formulates the seven deadly sins, gluttony is there, it's always depicted with some fat person who looks monstrou…
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Andy Peck chats with Stephen Dempster, Professor Emeritus of Religious Studies at Crandall University, New Brunswick, Canada about his recent book, Return of the Kingdom: a biblical theology of God’s Reign.They discuss how an understanding of the kingdom in the Bible informs the leadership of Christians today, look at why the Hebrew order of the Ol…
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Hi, It’s Elise, host of Pulling the Thread. Starting next Monday, I’m doing another special series—this set is about trauma, specifically trauma and the body. You’ll hear from four important voices in the space. We’re going to start with Dr. James Gordon, who works with groups all over the world who are in crisis, helping them move their experience…
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These 47 words changed Dr Aaron Edwards’ life and career, potentially forever: “Homosexuality is invading the Church. Evangelicals no longer see the severity of this [because] they’re busy apologising for their apparently barbaric homophobia, whether or not it’s true. This *is* a ‘Gospel issue’, by the way. If sin is no longer sin, we no longer nee…
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“When we can pause for a moment and rifle through all that noise to figure out what the root of the fear is, then we can be with it in a meaningful way, rather than just let it run our lives. And a little bit of fear of death and a little bit of death anxiety is totally normal, for all of us. I mean, it's that thing inside that tells you not to kee…
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Andy Peck speaks with Matt Hatch, founder of Mosaic Church Leeds, and a leader of one of the congregations, about his book: Metamorphosis: Unlocking your spiritual transformation through healthy discipleship’. They talk about how his church approaches discipleship and the importance of the church leader remaining connected with people, and open to …
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Jonathan Evans, Baron Evans of Weardale has worked in espionage since the 1980s, eventually becoming the director general of MI5 (2007-13). In this interview with Tony Wilson, we hear about Lord Evans' Christian faith and how it has sustained him during difficult moments. A crossbench peer since 2014, Lord Evans also comments on what threats the UK…
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In this episode, Brandi is joined by Dr. Sara Moslener, author of Virgin Nation to do a survey of the politics and history of purity culture. They discuss that purity culture, birthed out of political movements, entrenches us more deeply in racism, social control mechanisms, and conservative politics. You can find her work here and the Pure White P…
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“But one thing the whole “Karen” thing did, which I think was very good, was that it pointed out the existence of spaces Ostensibly open to everyone, but not, and then patrolled often by white women saying you don't belong here. And she got a name, and people with that name wince and rightfully so, but without that wince-worthy kind of situation, I…
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Andy Peck speaks with Marcus Culverwell, head teacher of Reigate St Mary’s Preparatory and Choir School about his call to lead a school. They discuss how much influence a school might have on a child, and consider some themes from his book, ‘Would God go shopping’ and how he is able to help young people consider the wider world and their place in i…
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The Pulitzer Prize-winning author Marilynne Robinson believes she’s proof that the world isn’t as antagonistic towards Christians as many assume. In this in depth conversation with Premier Christianity's Sam Hailes, she explains her love for Calvinism, why she's written a commentary (of sorts) on the book of Genesis and reveals how her theology has…
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“What is that instinct that might be asking me to do something really unadvisable or radical or leap outside the bounds of my own life? And that's the space by which I think we move forward in life. And that's the space in which I think we move forward honestly on the page and in writing. And I tell people, you know, what is it that you want to exp…
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