Banking with Interest, a podcast by IntraFi, features in-depth analysis and insight into the policy changes reshaping the banking industry. With insightful interviews and previews of pending policy challenges, the podcast is an essential listen for anyone connected to the financial services industry. Banking with Interest is hosted by Rob Blackwell, an award-winning former journalist with more than two decades of experience as an expert on financial services policy. He is now Chief Content O ...
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How Treasury’s Bessent Is Upending Bank Regulation
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31:26Not that long ago, the Treasury secretary mostly took a back seat to the banking agencies in crafting policy, stepping in only during times of crisis. Not anymore. Karen Shaw Petrou, managing partner of Federal Financial Analytics, discusses Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent’s expansive view of his own role, why he’s taking charge, and what it means…
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Zelle Chief on Fraud, Friction and Future
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29:11Cam Fowler, the CEO of Zelle parent company Early Warning Services, talks about the peer-to-peer payment system’s rapid growth, the furor around fraud, and its new digital wallet, Paze. Fowler explains how the company is working to make the platform safer for consumers and why he believes shared accountability is the best approach to stopping crimi…
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Rep. Lucas on Fed Independence, Bank Supervisory Role
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25:31Rep. Frank Lucas, the chair of a newly created Congressional task force on monetary policy, discusses the panel's agenda and upcoming hearings, the first of which takes place this week. The Oklahoma Republican grapples with two separate questions: should the Fed be independent and should it have a direct role in banking supervision?…
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What the Hell is Going On, Part II: Merging OCC, FDIC?
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32:48The Trump administration wants to fold the FDIC’s bank oversight duties into the OCC without congressional approval. Evan Weinberger, a banking correspondent at Bloomberg Law, details the ramifications for community banks, what’s already happening at both agencies, and what may happen next.By IntraFi
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What the Hell is Going On? A Banker’s Guide to D.C.
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44:20Victoria Guida of Politico and Brendan Pedersen of Punchbowl News sort through how and why the Trump administration is remaking banking regulation. Is the CFPB neutered for the next four years or maybe forever? Will the OCC take over the FDIC’s exam functions? Why did big bank CEOs meet with the Senate Banking Committee? What’s DOGE up to at Treasu…
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Bank Supervision Needs “Complete Change in Focus”
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33:51Greg Baer, the CEO of the Bank Policy Institute, argues that bank supervision has gone off course, focusing on the wrong areas and making the system less safe. He outlines how he and big banks would recommend fixing it. He also discusses stress test and AML reform, new liquidity rules, Basel III, CFPB and more.…
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Fmr. Sen. Toomey: Why Debanking Crypto Occurred—And How to Solve It
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33:12Former Sen. Pat Toomey, R-Pa., one of the first lawmakers to sound alarms about the debanking of crypto firms , talks about President Trump’s accusation that large banks are systemically debanking conservatives, and what he thinks is really going on. That includes how policymakers could fix the issue permanently and why some proposed solutions migh…
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Rep. Waters on Dem’s Strategy, Stablecoins, Housing & More
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38:21Rep. Maxine Waters, lead Democrat on House Financial Services, discusses how the committee and Congress have changed in her long tenure, her relationship with Chair French Hill, and the importance of community banks. She also unveils the Democratic agenda for this Congress, including housing reform, stablecoin regulation and more.…
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Brad Bolton, the CEO of Community Spirit Bank in Red Bay, Ala., discusses the state of community banking right now, including what challenges he and other small institutions face and how they hope policymakers can help. He dives into concerns about new small business lending data requirements and other pending regulations, calls for bank consolidat…
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Michael Barr’s surprising decision to step down as Fed vice chair of banking supervision next month allows the incoming Trump administration to make its own pick for the job and raises questions about the political independence of the banking regulators going forward. Andrew Ackerman, senior financial reporter with The Washington Post, walks throug…
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OCC’s Hsu on Unfinished Business, Reg Restructuring & Dangers Ahead
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35:06Acting Comptroller of the Currency Michael Hsu talks about his three-plus years at the forefront of bank regulation, including what regulators learned from the fall of SVB, why we still need new Basel capital rules, and whether regulatory restructuring would be worth the effort.By IntraFi
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What’s the Future of the CFPB and FDIC Under Trump?
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36:50Evan Weinberger, the banking reporter at Bloomberg Law, talks about the Trump administration’s trial balloon to eliminate the FDIC or combine regulatory agencies. He also goes in-depth on the various fights the CFPB is engaged in, how the Trump administration could choose to tackle them, and what that would mean for banks.…
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Crypto’s Win, Stablecoins’ Future & Debanking Debate
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45:20Alex Johnson, the founder and publisher of Fintech Takes, tackles several hot-button topics, including how the crypto industry’s election victories will influence the next Trump administration, and why hype around stablecoins as a replacement for banks may be misplaced. He also discusses whether banks are really engaging in debanking as a prominent…
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What Trump’s Treasury Pick Means for Banks, Fed and Wall Street
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29:06Sam Sutton, the primary author of Politico’s Morning Money newsletter, goes behind the scenes on why President-elect Trump chose Scott Bessent to lead the Treasury Department. Sutton discusses Bessent’s experience and agenda, how his views on tariffs and inflation will play out in the next administration, and how they portend a potential brewing co…
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Behind Rep. Hill’s Plan to Make Community Banks Great Again
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44:35Rep. French Hill, a top contender to lead the House Financial Services Committee, details his plan to help banks, including revamping regulators’ approach to M&A, ending Operation Choke Point, and encouraging more de novos. He also discusses his views on Scott Bessent, President-elect Trump’s nominee for Treasury secretary, the mood among GOP lawma…
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CBA's Johnson on CFPB Under Trump, Open Banking and Junk Fees vs. Junk Facts
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37:12Lindsey Johnson, CEO and president of the Consumer Bankers Association, talks about how the CFPB may change under the second Trump administration. Will a Trump-appointed CFPB director roll back the recently finalized open data rule? What happens for banks and consumers if that rule is left to stand? She also tackles the future of the agency's overd…
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The Massive Implications for Banks from the GOP's Sweeping Victory
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43:45With Republicans set to control the White House, Senate, and House next year, Victoria Guida of Politico and Brendan Pedersen of Punchbowl News dive into the implications for financial services companies. That includes what it means for the Fed, including whether President-elect Trump might try to oust Chair Jerome Powell, and what kinds of leaders…
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How Generative AI Agents Could Threaten Financial Stability
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37:22The rise of generative AI agents have promised consumers a better, safer future. But what happens if those agents act in ways that destabilize the system, causing bank runs or better enable bad actors to commit fraud or hack financial institutions? Todd Phillips, assistant professor at Georgia State University’s Robinson College of Business, talks …
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How CFPB’s Open Data Rule Will Impact Banks
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43:26Kate Berry, a reporter for American Banker, and Christopher Williston, the CEO of the Independent Bankers Association of Texas, go in-depth to discuss the CFPB’s final Section 1033 rule, which implements open banking. They tackle which institutions are most at risk from the final rule, why trade groups are suing to block it, and how the CFPB is res…
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Eamon Javers, a senior Washington correspondent for CNBC, talks about his new podcast, “The Crimes of Putin’s Trader,” and how Russia is using hackers to infiltrate banks and Wall Street. He goes behind the scenes on the case of Vladislav Klyushin, who was convicted by the U.S. of insider trading, how he was traded back this summer to Russia, and w…
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Cam Fine, former CEO and president of ICBA, and Ed Yingling, former CEO and president of ABA, discuss and debate the possible outcomes of the election—Presidential, House and Senate—and what they could mean for banking policy.By IntraFi
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Do Regulators Want to Kill Banking-as-a-Service?
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44:57Jason Mikula, publisher of Fintech Business Weekly, talks about the ongoing fallout from the failure of fintech Synapse, and banking regulators’ efforts to ensure it can’t happen again. Are regulators going too far? Is this the end of banking-as-a-service?By IntraFi
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Bill Huizenga on AI, Dangers of Activist Investors & CFPB Overreach
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30:36Rep. Bill Huizenga, R-Mich., the chair of the House Financial Services oversight subcommittee, talks about his agenda if selected as GOP leader of the full panel next year, including looking deeper at artificial intelligence, regulating crypto, and fixing housing. He also talks about his focus on reining in activist investors, what he wants to see …
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The Potential “Perverse” Consequences for Banks of New M&A Policies
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35:42Karen Shaw Petrou, managing partner of Federal Financial Analytics, details how new guidelines by federal regulators to curb M&A could inadvertently increase the market power of the biggest banks and Big Tech.By IntraFi
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Ryan Donovan, the head of the Council of Federal Home Loan Banks, pushes back against criticisms that the government-sponsored enterprises have strayed from their mission. He outlines what the FHLBs want as part of a reform effort by their regulator.By IntraFi
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Andy Barr on Fair Access Law for Banks, Basel III’s Finale, Reg Relief and M&A Reform
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38:15Rep. Andy Barr, the chair of the House financial institutions subcommittee, discusses why he should lead Republicans on the Financial Services Committee next year. He offers a preview of his agenda, including pushing legislation that would prevent banks from denying legal businesses access to financial services and why large institutions are sudden…
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Inside the “Summer of Small Cuts” for Banks
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32:27Jaret Seiberg, managing director of TD Cowen’s Washington Research Group, discusses the many policy changes facing banks this summer, including the FDIC’s brokered deposit proposal, the Fed’s new FAQ on the discount window, a Texas court decision on the small business rule, and the new uncertainties the election poses for the industry.…
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Inside the CFPB’s Sprint to the Finish Line
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49:36Alex Johnson, founder of Fintech Takes, discusses the CFPB’s race to complete as many regulatory initiatives – on earned wage access products, open data, privacy and more – ahead of the November election. And he talks about why banking as a service has turned into a “high-wire act without a safety net” in the wake of the Synapse bankruptcy.…
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French Hill on Crypto Reg, Housing Reform, SVB Lessons & Bank Consolidation
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36:29Rep. French Hill, one of the leading candidates to chair the House Financial Services Committee next year, makes his case for the job, discussing how his former role as a bank CEO would help guide his agenda. He talks about why he’s worked so hard on crypto and stablecoin regulation bills, his vision for housing reform, the lessons of SVB, the end …
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The Titanic Shift in Banking Policy Ahead
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41:50Claire Williams, Capitol Hill reporter for American Banker, and Brendan Pedersen, who covers financial services for Punchbowl News, discuss the latest on financial policy. Will Christy Romero Goldsmith be confirmed to lead the FDIC? Is Basel III Endgame dead? How could Sen. J.D. Vance as vice president impact bank policy going forward?…
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A Looming Crisis in CRE? What Bankers Need to Know
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44:15Phil Mobley, national director of office analytics for CoStar, the leading firm when it comes to commercial real estate, talks about how the market has changed in the wake of the pandemic. He discusses the trends right now, where the market is headed, and what risk office CRE poses to banks.By IntraFi
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Inside a Reg Split on Basel and the Battle for FDIC Control
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28:19Pete Schroeder, who covers financial regulation and policy for Reuters, breaks down why federal banking agencies are split on how to finalize new capital rules and explains how policymakers are reacting to a nominee for FDIC chair.By IntraFi
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Catch Check Fraud If You Can: The Growing Issue for Banks, Consumers
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40:22Frank Abagnale Jr., an expert on check forgery and the subject and inspiration for Steven Spielberg’s film “Catch Me If You Can,” talks about why check fraud is so much worse in recent years despite the overall decline of use of checks. He talks about why banks are struggling to detect forgeries, how policymakers should address the issue, and why t…
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Penny Crosman, executive editor of technology at American Banker, goes behind the scenes on a case of Zelle fraud that cost a consumer thousands of dollars—and what it means for a coming policy fight between the big banks and Washington over the real-time payment system.By IntraFi
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The Massive Impacts of a Whirlwind Week for Banking Policy
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30:17Andrew Ackerman, a financial services reporter for the Wall Street Journal, discusses what happens next after FDIC Chair Martin Gruenberg’s surprise announcement that he will resign upon confirmation of a successor. Ackerman also details how regulators plan to dial back the Basel III Endgame proposal, and talks about the CFPB’s future after the Sup…
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"A Political Thunderdome": The High Stakes for FDIC at Two Hill Hearings
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43:18Brendan Pedersen, the financial services reporter for Punchbowl News, discusses the critical importance of upcoming hearings to the future of the FDIC and disturbing revelations from a recent report looking into the agency’s culture. He also discusses an upcoming House vote on a crypto bill and the latest on financial privacy and stablecoin legisla…
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Rep. Lucas on HFSC Chair Bid, Bank Consolidation, Fed Independence
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42:49Rep. Frank Lucas, the longest serving Republican on the House Financial Services Committee, makes his case for why he should be the next chair, offering his views on community bank consolidation, whether the Fed should be independent, the dangers of quantum computing and how history informs his view of government agencies and programs.…
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Could a Stablecoin Bill “Shatter” the Wall Between Banking and Commerce?
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43:11Hilary Allen, a law professor at American University Washington College of Law, warns that a stablecoin regulation bill could open the door to mixing banking and commerce, allowing WalMart, Amazon or Google to effectively set up their own bank without facing bank-like regulations. She also details issues with the legislation introduced to date, inc…
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John Heltman and Claire Williams, two journalists with American Banker, discuss the outlet’s recent series on populism and how it impacts banks. They tackle why the banking industry is so often the target of populist politicians from both the left and the right, how populism is changing the debate on various bank policy debates now, and what comes …
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Klein vs. Calabria Round 2: How to Solve the Housing Crisis
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36:44Aaron Klein, senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, and Mark Calabria, former director of the Federal Housing Finance Agency, debate the best way to address the housing crisis, as well as the dangers of politicizing banking regulation, whether the Fed is too worried about consensus, if the central bank is secretly working on a central bank dig…
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Calabria vs. Klein Round 1: Bank Rescues, Fed Playing Politics, Liquidity Fixes
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40:07Mark Calabria, former director of the Federal Housing Finance Agency, and Aaron Klein, senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, discuss how politics factors into the Fed’s monetary policy decisions, decry the rescue of uninsured depositors last year, debate how to fix liquidity rules and weigh in on revamping the FHLBs.…
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Steele on What’s Needed After SVB, Biggest Threat to Banks, M&A Policy
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47:31Graham Steele, the former Treasury assistant secretary for financial institutions, offers a behind-the-scenes perspective on regulators’ decision to rescue uninsured depositors at Silicon Valley Bank and two other regional banks. He also discusses what policy changes are still needed as a result, the greatest challenge facing the banking industry, …
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How SVB’s Collapse Changed Bank Policy for Good
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32:06One year after the fall of Silicon Valley Bank, the reverberations into banking policy continue. Brian Gardner, Chief Washington Policy Strategist at investment bank Stifel, discusses how the failure impacted bank supervision and the debate over new capital and liquidity rules—and how it will remain a part of the calculus moving forward.…
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Whip Emmer on CBDCs, “Junk” Fees, Crypto and Community Banks
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38:16House Majority Whip Tom Emmer talks about his fears for the future of small banks—and how to reverse course—and why his movement to ban the Fed from creating a CBDC has gained steam. He also tackles his predictions for the House elections this year, the CFPB’s push against so-called “junk” fees and how he became one of the leading advocates for cry…
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“The Most Contentious Fight in Washington Right Now”
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35:45Richard Hunt, executive chair of the Electronic Payments Coalition, talks about the battle over Capital One buying Discover, how it connects to the Durbin amendment’s restrictions on debit interchange fees, and why the fight over another Durbin legislative proposal on credit cards is so heated.By IntraFi
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How Banks Can Win the Battle for Deposits
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34:18Neil Stanley, CEO of the CorePoint, offers strategies and products banks can use to attract and retain deposits in a highly competitive deposit environment.By IntraFi
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Esther George on Interest Rate Cuts, CRE, Bank Failures, and Everything in Between
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47:53The former Kansas City Fed president talks about the persistence of inflation, when the central bank is likely to lower interest rates, how worried she is about office CRE, the lessons from the failures of three regional banks last year, whether she supports a central bank digital currency, and the future of community banks.…
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Are We Headed for Another Regional Bank Crisis?
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23:57After a prominent regional bank slashed its dividend amid unexpected losses related to office commercial real estate loans, some in the media are raising fears that another round of failures could be in the offing. Jaret Seiberg, managing director of Cowen’s Washington Research Group, details what happened, how regulators are responding, and whethe…
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Why the War Over "Junk" Fees Has Heated Up
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25:03Kate Berry, who covers the CFPB for American Banker, goes behind the scenes on the consumer agency’s latest proposals to limit overdraft fees and institute new limits around nonsufficient funds transactions.By IntraFi
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Bank M&A was “miserable” in 2023. Will this year be even worse?
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19:10Naomi Snyder, editor-in-chief of Bank Director, discusses why the bank M&A market was so bad in 2023, and what changes need to happen for it to improve.By IntraFi
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