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extremely is a podcast from the ADL Center on Extremism. Hosted by Oren Segal and Jessica Reaves, extremely gives audiences a window into the work of fighting extremism and hate. The podcast provides critical insights into the ever-evolving extremist landscape and showcases fresh perspectives from experts dedicated to understanding and combatting these threats.
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Women’s (Terrorist) History Month, an Arrest Worth Celebrating and White Supremacist Litterbugs
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In this episode, Oren Segal and Jessica Reaves reflect on a truly bizarre celebration of Women’s History Month and hear from Morgan Moon, a COE researcher, whose work led to the arrest of a white supremacist. Last, we dive into COE’s annual assessment of white supremacist propaganda distributions. Spoiler alert: White supremacists are good at using…
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Live From NYC: Nas Company Meets extremely
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We often say episodes of extremely are special, but this time we really mean it. Oren Segal and Jessica Reaves are joined, live on stage, by Nuseir Yassin and Alex Dwek of Nas Company and Nas Daily for a freewheeling, thoughtful conversation about Israeli-Palestinian identity, the importance of community-building and our universal need for human co…
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In this episode of extremely, Oren Segal and Jessica Reaves have a little something for everyone. We’re talking Houthi terrorists, Men’s Rights Activists and how extremists use cryptocurrency exchanges – the last with COE’s Extremism Funding Investigator, Mark Dwyer. In the second half of the episode, we’re joined by Shannon Hiller, who helms Princ…
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2023: It Was a Year, and We Have Thoughts
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In the final episode of 2023, Oren Segal and Jessica Reaves look back at some of the developments in hate and extremism we wish would end along with the year (but almost certainly will not), including extremists harassing city council meetings, a months-long swatting spree targeting synagogues and other religious institutions and finally the massiv…
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In this episode of extremely, Oren Segal and Jessica Reaves consider the (partial) demise of extremist favorite Omegle, hype COE's popular and incredibly useful Hate Symbols Database and have an illuminating discussion with COE mis/disinformation analyst Sara Aniano, who walks us through the promise and very real dangers of Generative AI. We also r…
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In this special episode of extremely, Oren Segal and Jessica Reaves speak with two women who are advocating tirelessly on behalf of their family members who were taken hostage by Hamas terrorists. Abbey Onn and Alana Zeitchik are responding to an unspeakable situation with endless resolve and empathy, and they are determined to keep the hostages in…
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Recorded two weeks after the start of the Israel-Hamas war, this month’s episode of extremely finds the ADL Center on Extremism’s (COE) Oren Segal and Jessica Reaves talking about white supremacists celebrating Hamas terror and the dangers of mis- and disinformation at a time when truth feels hard to come by. They also talk to COE’s Antisemitic Inc…
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Jewish Space Lasers, Plus A Few Things You Should Actually Be Worried About
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In extremely’s triumphant return to the podcast (air)waves, the ADL Center on Extremism’s Oren Segal and Jessica Reaves talk swatting, white supremacist activity and optics. We’re also joined by Research Assistant Mason Peeples, who weighs in on his work in online threat detection. Then, Oren talks to Michael Rothschild about his new book, Jewish S…
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Elizabeth Williamson – “The results of this mass delusion”
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In this episode of extremely, Oren Segal speaks with Elizabeth Williamson, feature writer for The New York Times and author of “Sandy Hook: An American Tragedy and the Battle for Truth.” Elizabeth and Oren discuss how disinformation and falsehoods inevitably follow mass shootings, and how conspiracies and lies - aided by super-spreaders like Alex J…
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Sam Jackson - "Motivated by a desire to understand people who I think are bad for the world"
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In this episode of extremely, Oren Segal speaks with Sam Jackson, assistant professor in the College of Emergency Preparedness, Homeland Security and Cybersecurity at the State University of New York at Albany, and author of, “Oath Keepers: Patriotism and the Edge of Violence in a Right-Wing Antigovernment Group.” When Sam was an undergrad religiou…
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David Neiwert - "They are against something, and that something is democracy"
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In this episode of extremely, Oren Segal speaks with David Neiwert, investigative journalist, and author of, “Alt-America: The Rise of the Radical Right in the Age of Trump.” David, who has been reporting on extremism for decades, provides his insight into the evolution of anti-democratic movements in the U.S. and how it culminated with the January…
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Lisa Kaplan - “Democracies have generally faced worse, and we can get around this one too”
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In this episode of extremely, Oren Segal speaks with Lisa Kaplan, founder of the Alethea Group, which detects and mitigates disinformation and social media manipulation. Lisa explains the difference between disinformation and misinformation and highlights strategies to reduce the consequences of disinformation campaigns, which she says are "fast, c…
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Amy Cooter – “This is not exactly what you think it is”
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In this episode of extremely, Oren Segal speaks with Amy Cooter, Senior Lecturer in Sociology at Vanderbilt University, about her ethnographic research on the militia movement in the U.S. Amy, who has interviewed militia members directly and observed their training firsthand, is not “a stereotypical academic.” She says that while most militias “see…
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Mary McCord - "Professional question asker"
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In this episode of extremely, Oren Segal speaks with Mary McCord, Executive Director of the Institute for Constitutional Advocacy and Protection (ICAP) and a Visiting Professor of Law at Georgetown University Law Center. Before her national security work or serving as Assistant U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia, Mary attended journalism sc…
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Erroll Southers - “You should be the change that you’re looking for”
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In this episode of extremely, Oren Segal speaks with Erroll Southers, Professor at USC and Director of the Safe Communities Institute. Erroll explains his pathway from being stopped by law enforcement growing up in small town New Jersey to the Santa Monica Police Department, counterterrorism with the FBI, and then academia. Erroll credits a “incred…
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In episode one of season two, Oren Segal speaks with Jared Holt, Resident Fellow at Atlantic Council’s Digital Forensic Research Lab (DFRLab), about recent media coverage of extremism and the September 18 non-event in Washington DC. Oren and Jared also discuss the importance of personal security and pathways into this field of work. Jared says his …
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“Extremism Anonymous” – An Evening with the Experts
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On the final episode of season one, we turn to previous guests for wisdom. An “Evening with the Experts” was chance to share personal strategies for managing extremist topics, which includes trash TV recommendations, the soothing sounds of basketball and rap star legacies. As we work to understand and interrupt some of the worst ideas, we also lear…
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Joan Donovan - “Do we care as much as they do?”
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In Episode 12, Oren Segal speaks with Joan Donovan, Research Director of the Harvard Kennedy School Shorenstein Center on Media, Politics and Public Policy. Dr. Donovan leads the field in examining media manipulation, online extremism and disinformation campaigns. Joan admits to being a bit of an anarchist but describes the ways in which government…
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Amy Spitalnick - Do you want to help us sue Nazis?
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A month following the January 6 insurrection we reflect on the sadly inevitable events and how we got here. On this episode of extremely, Oren Segal spoke to Amy Spitalnick, Executive Director of Integrity First for America, about the importance of holding extremists accountable for their actions. Oren and Amy explore: How do extremist groups use t…
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Mark Pitcavage - "At this point I can’t join the circus"
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After decades of work together, Oren Segal speaks with Mark Pitcavage, Senior Research Fellow at the ADL Center on Extremism, about ADL's annual Murder and Extremism report. But Mark also has word of encouragement for the next generation of researchers and leaders. In this month’s conversation, we learn how getting in on the ground floor of subject…
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Joel Finkelstein - A little bit of light repels so much darkness
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This month, Oren Segal spoke to Joel Finkelstein at the Network Contagion Research Institute. “I hate my job. I don’t want to do this” says Joel. A neuroscientist by training, Joel found himself obligated to the work of dismantling hate and polarization knowing that brain science could drive solutions. In his work at NCRI, Joel tracks how hate and …
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Oren Segal speaks with Amar Amarasingam, Assistant Professor in the School of Religion at Queen’s University in Ontario, Canada, and Senior Research Fellow at the Institute for Strategic Dialogue. Amar has conducted years of research with foreign fighters and neo-Nazis around the world. There is no one profile for an extremist, but the value of int…
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Kathy Blee - The intersection of white supremacy and politics...
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Kathy joins Oren Segal to remember the anniversary of the Pittsburgh attack. After years of research into white supremacy, this event gripped her own community. How does white supremacy function as a political phenomenon? How has the role of women evolved? With a rich understanding of history, Kathy walks us through her top two calls to action and …
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Heidi Beirich - The evolution of extremism...
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“Did baby Heidi always want to get into the work of combating extremism?” Oren Segal and Heidi speak about the way the research field of extremism has changed over the past few decades. Heidi shares her accidental journey from a college terrorism class to the Southern Poverty Law Center and her hopes for future interventions. Heidi Beirich currentl…
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Eric Ward - Extremism, kind of like fashion week...
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This episode of extremely covers fashion week, the war on drugs, and the work of dismantling inequality in America. Eric Ward shares with Oren Segal his take on how the white nationalist movement seeks to influence the mainstream of political discourse. How do you talk to diverse audiences about these topics? How do we understand the vulnerabilitie…
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