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Shrubbish

Sarah McAfee

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A slice of insight and discovery on a variety of non-boozy beverage related topics, a pinch of personal addiction stories, and a taste (literally!) of everyone's favorite little elixer: The Shrub
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Listen & watch as Former NFL Quarterback & Reality TV Star Jay Cutler goes Uncut with friends, former teammates, fellow pro athletes, & experts alike to talk about their lives and the crazy times we live in today. Each week will be packed with controversial news topics, trending discussions, unique segments & celebrity guests… and we’re just getting started! Subscribe now & tell us what you want to hear!
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Evidence In Action

The Urban Institute

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What does it look like when evidence drives change for people and communities? To find out, we ask influential leaders the tough questions. How do you prioritize the roles of research and facts? How do you turn policy into practice? And how do you hold yourself accountable for diversity, equity, and inclusion progression in your leadership? Evidence in Action (formerly Critical Value) inspires changemakers to lead with evidence and act with equity. At a time when trust in institutions is low ...
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Send us a Text Message. Get your fermentation on whith Sarah and The Shrub covering Kombucha! Also a little story (some might say rant...) from a recent weird event, and a spicy face-off between two shrubs. *** -“Kombucha” (Wikipedia) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kombucha -https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/consumer-health/expert-answers…
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In this conversation, we explore the distinction between “fixing” people’s mental health and building systems and institutions that don’t cause harm in the first place. We are joined by Wizdom Powell, a psychologist, tenured professor, and nationally recognized expert on racial trauma, healing, and health equity. She is now the chief purpose office…
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Send us a Text Message. Sarah and The Shrub delve into the history, pharmacology, and brewing of the psychoactive beverage Kava. *** - “Kava” (Wikipedia). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kava - “Lapita Culture” (Wikipedia). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapita_culture - “Kavalactone” (Wikipedia). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kavalactone - “Kava.” Al…
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Kim hosts a conversation that delves into the dynamic relationship between evidence-driven change and the pursuit of social and racial equity when institutions prioritize these goals. We are joined by Michael Elliott, the current President of Amherst College. He has led significant institutional change efforts at different universities he’s been a …
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Send us a Text Message. Sarah and The Shrub cover the history and making of Bubble Tea, and discuss a little about her experience with AA. Potential (NA) drinking game: count how many times she says the word "boba". *** - “Bubble Tea” (Wikipedia) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubble_tea - “Tapioca Pearl” (Wikipedia) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ta…
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We tackle the challenging question of how evidence can drive change for people and communities in a climate of widespread institutional distrust. We explore the root causes of this erosion of trust and its impact on decision-making processes. Join us as we uncover innovative strategies that can bridge the gap between evidence and action, rebuild tr…
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Send us a Text Message. Let's wrap this bad boy up. Brewing methods, grinders, what's a latte vs. a cappuccino? Sarah and The Shrub cover all kinds of basics on what goes into your favorite cup of coffee. *** - “Kopi Luwak” (Wikipedia) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kopi_luwak - “5 Things to Know About Cold Brew.” Kaldi’s Coffee Roasting Company, 5 …
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We explore how evidence shapes policy, philanthropy, and learning agendas to help drive social change. We also unpack the challenges changemaking institutions can face when incorporating evidence and evaluation into their processes. And we offer insights into how governments and other institutions can foster more trust with the people and communiti…
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Send us a Text Message. We've got a two-parter folks! There's just so. much. to. learn. about. coffee. Here's a *wee* bit of history, and what's going on with the plant itself. Also, Sarah and The Shrub are joined by a surprise beverage guest! *** - Beller, Debra. “How Coffee Works.” HowStuffWorks.com. https://science.howstuffworks.com/innovation/e…
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We explore the use of data and evidence in policy making and higher education. We will hear from Doug Elmendorf, dean of the Harvard Kennedy School, about teaching the next generation. How are educators teaching students about the role of data and evidence in discourse and persuasion? We will also dive into policy areas where Doug sees the most roo…
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Send us a Text Message. Oh no, not another podcast episode about caffeine! How many cups of coffee do you think Sarah and The Shrub had before this episode? *** Sources -Grisel, Judith. Never Enough: The Neuroscience and Experience of Addiction. Anchor Books, 2019. -W. Bryant, Charles & Clark, Josh, hosts. “The Duality of Caffeine.” Stuff You Shoul…
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We examine the unique challenges and opportunities of using evidence to drive change within the context of a social movement, particularly in an era of heightened partisanship and media influence. We explore how evidence can serve as a powerful tool to galvanize social movements, but also the potential pitfalls when facts are obscured by ideologica…
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Send us a Text Message. Do you know what's in an egg cream? Join Sarah and The Shrub in this mildly chaotic episode to find out! Plus - story time. *** -“Egg Cream” (Wikipedia) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egg_cream -“Cream” (Wikipedia) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cream#:~:text=Cream%20is%20a%20dairy%20product,using%20centrifuges%20called%20%22s…
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We are joined by Heather Hahn, associate Vice President for the Urban Institute Center on Labor, Human Services and Population, to discuss the complexities and challenges of safety net programs in the U.S. Heather helps us probe into the history of these programs and the influence of traditional American values on their design. We look at the barri…
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Send us a Text Message. A fascinating history of bitters. Also, happy allergy season! ** - Parsons, Brad Thomas. Bitters: A Spirited History of a Classic Cure-All, with Cocktails, Recipes, and Formulas. New York, Ten Speed Press, 2011. - “Bitters” (Wikipedia) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitters - “House of Angostura” (Wikipedia) https://en.wikipe…
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We’re joined by Michael McAfee, President and CEO of PolicyLink, for a wide-ranging conversation on what it means to lead and carry out work that is in service to all people. We discuss the tension between individual worldviews and what evidence shows, especially when pursuing social change that is enduring, scalable, and genuinely centers people m…
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Send us a Text Message. It's getting goopy in the booth! Sarah and The Shrub meet up with a seafaring friend: Sea Moss Gel *** - “Health Benefits of Sea Moss” (WebMD) https://www.webmd.com/diet/health-benefits-sea-moss - Blum, Dani. “Is A Spoonful of Sea Moss the Key to Good Health?” New York Times, 10 Jan. 2023. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/10/…
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We explore the resurgence of interest in rural communities. We delve into the current state of rural research, uncovering the gaps compared to urban research. We dive into the legacies of the deepest poverty in America and the mechanisms through which it persists. We’ll hear from Luke Shaefer, co-author of a new book, The Injustice of Place: Uncove…
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Send us a Text Message. Sarah and The Shrub take a deep dive into the world of adaptogens. *** -“Adaptogen” (Wikipedia) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptogen -What are adaptogens and should you be taking them? UCLA Health, Feb 16 2022 https://www.uclahealth.org/news/what-are-adaptogens-and-should-you-be-taking-them#:~:text=Adaptogens%20are%20herb…
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We are joined by author and immigration advocate Cecilia Muñoz who served for eight years on President Obama's senior team, including five years leading the White House Domestic Policy Council as an assistant to President Obama. Cecilia opens up about how her experience as a Midwestern Latina shaped her identity, and how she pivoted from working as…
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Send us a Text Message. Maybe more than you ever wanted to know about carbonated water. *** -“Carbonated Water” (Wikipedia) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbonated_water -“Club Soda” (Wikipedia) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_soda -“Gasogene” (Wikipedia) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasogene -“Joseph Priestley” (Wikipedia) https://en.wikipedi…
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We explore the potential of applying locally sourced solutions to address national problems. We examine how research organizations can harness evidence from grassroots initiatives, community-led projects, and local expertise to inform national policies and drive meaningful change. Join us in our conversation with Stephen Benjamin, who served as May…
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Send us a Text Message. It begins! Meet your host and learn all about our tantalizing titular character, The Shrub (spoiler alert: taste buds are gonna flip) *** Research Sources - “Shrub (drink)” (Wikipedia) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrub_(drink) - "Shrubs" by Tim Oakley for Class Magazine published in Difford’s guide https://www.diffordsguid…
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In the series premiere of the Evidence in Action, Kim and Sarah explore the multifaceted role of evidence, revealing how it can inform and refine policies for better social, economic, and environmental outcomes. We delve into the pivotal uses of evidence in various contexts. We unravel how evidence can be harnessed to detect problems, identify effe…
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Welcome to Evidence in Action, a new podcast from the Urban Institute. In this season, co-hosts Sarah Rosen Wartell, President of the Urban Institute and Kimberlyn Leary, Executive Vice President of the Urban Institute, are going to explore the role of evidence and how it can help us to shape policy and achieve better social, economic, and environm…
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Dane Cook sits down with Jay Cutler to talk about his new special "Above It All" which is releasing on Moment, and breaks down where this new material came from and how he was finally ready to head back to the stand-up stage. Dane also walks Jay through his early career in stand-up, coming along with guys like Bill Burr and Robert Kelly, and how he…
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Jay presents some of his favorite moments and stories from the first year of Uncut! We'll hear from past guests like Nate Bergatze on still getting nervous for stand-up shows like Jay did for NFL games, Caroline Bryan on being married to a music sex symbol, and Mark Cuban on the new generation of players and why MLB wouldn't have him as an owner. P…
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Dane and Dustin from Hardside Hydration join Jay to talk about their revolutionary product, and immediately start with the jokes about the Lions on Hard Knocks. They also discuss how they came up with their product idea, how they brainstormed the concept and actually grew it into a sellable product. Plus all the guys discuss their hunting lifestyle…
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Duane Chapman, Dog the Bounty Hunter, sits down with Jay to talk about his new mission of faith and how he started a ministry after leaving Hawaii. He also tells the Jay the WILD story about how he found his calling for bounty hunting after running down a friend who was trying to escape from prison, and how that life led him out of prison and biker…
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Jay sits down with Paul Swan, Austin Dillon's lead tire handler on his NASCAR team, and one of the stars of "Austin Dillon's Life in the Fastlane". Paul talks about his hilarious start in NASCAR, his journey from a linebacker at Bowling Green, and his hilarious major in college of "exercise science". Paul also talks about how his journey through co…
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Jay sits down with Sofia Franklyn in Nashville, the former co-host of "Call Her Daddy" and now the host of a huge new show called "Sofia with an F". Sofia jokes with Jay about how she's in Nashville to buy boots, being raised in Utah around Mormons, and the wild story about selling drugs out of a drive-thru in college. Sofia also jokes about starti…
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Jay sits down with Bachelor star Clayton Echard, and Jay jokes that he doesn't know much about The Bachelor but all the girls in the office gave him a lot of notes. They immediately dive into Clayton's background in college football, and Jay jokes that he played at Vanderbilt and Clayton played at Missouri and they compare notes about SEC opponents…
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Brian Urlacher joins old teammate Jay Cutler to catch up on life, sports parenting, and their careers. Brian even jokes about how he should have been a quarterback like Jay and he'd probably still be playing, because today's players are playing into their 40's. Jay and Brian also have some frank thoughts on CTE, both talking about how their bodies …
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Jay sits down with the owner of Leiper’s Fork Distillery, Lee Kennedy, and talks about how he got his start in whiskey and what it took to get his own distillery going. Lee breaks down how Tennessee became a landmark location for whiskey production, the history of his distillery and how they took an 1820's log cabin and embarked on the long road to…
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Jay sits down with NFL star, Wrestling icon and actor Bill Goldberg, and Bill gets right into how he landed at the University of Georgia instead of Oklahoma - largely because he couldn't stand Barry Switzer, who was the head coach of Oklahoma at the time. Plus Bill and Jay talk about conference realignment and NIL deals for college athletes, as the…
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Jay sits down with the man who created a viral video that has become an internet staple over the last eight years, Dana McLendon - who created the "Universal Hot-Crazy Matrix". Dana tells Jay the story about how the idea for the video came together, and it went super viral before his wife even knew about it - and shares the hilarious reveal of the …
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Vaccines work -- but they only work if people get them. How can communities make sure that as many of their residents get vaccinated as possible? Host Justin Milner talks with Urban Institute researcher Leandra Lacy; Luis Garcia, director of technology and analytics at El Buen Samaritano; and Treshika Melvin, advocacy, training, and power building …
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Jay sits down with celebrity dog trainer and social media sensation Brandon McMillan, and they dive into how Brandon got his start working with animals, his father's history training exotic animals, and how he turned that skill into a career helping people who need service dogs. Brandon talks about his techniques, the most common challenges he face…
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Jay Cutler sits down with sports personality and media sensation Pat McAfee, and immediately dive into the benefits of coffee and learning how to lose weight, as Pat jokes that even though he played soccer most of his youth he has gained back a lot of weight since his pro career ended. Plus Pat and Jay talk about their workout routines and how to m…
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Jay sits down with the "father of biohacking" Dave Asprey to talk about how he transitioned from computer programming into biohacking, and how that grew into a practice that has become mainstream today. Plus Dave talks about how pro athletes are turning back the clock on their body's aging, which is why pros are playing into their 40's now. Dave al…
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Jay sits down with adventurer and hunter Donnie Vincent to talk about hunting and how his viral video "Who We Are" was originally made to explain the hunting lifestyle to National Geographic, who was against featuring hunting on their platform. Donnie dives into his background, and his deep view on the responsibility of hunting and how important he…
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Jay sits down with country superstar Randy Rogers, and they talk about how Randy got his career started and how hard it was to get his stuff played on the radio early in his career and having big shows regardless of that support. Randy and Jay also talk about how hard life can be when you're on the road and missing events with your kids, but they b…
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Equitable community engagement and development can seed systems change that supports long-term health and well-being within communities. Host Justin Milner talks with Urban Institute researcher Laudy Aron; Maggie Super Church, vice president for healthy and resilient communities at the Conservation Law Foundation; Vedette Gavin, senior research con…
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Jay sits down with Clay Travis, the founder of Outkick and host of the nationally syndicated "Clay and Buck Show", and jokes about coming along as a student in Nashville around the time Jay was playing at Vanderbilt and remembering the fun they had together. Clay also talks about meeting his wife in college, and how he got his start in broadcasting…
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Eric Trump and Matt Pittman from Meat Church kick off the BBQ at Jay Cutler's house, and Matt talks briefly about how he actually quit his day job to start Meat Church. And just as Eric gets rolling, his all-time favorite Internet jokester Rut Daniels from "Catchin Deers" crashes the party and jokes about hunting, barbeque and gear. Eric and Rut ex…
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Jay sits down with music star, front man of the group Staind, Aaron Lewis as he celebrates his 50th birthday, and they are joined by golf legend John Daly - live from Losers Bar & Grill in Nashville! Aaron and John both talk about getting started in their respective careers at the age of four, and how Aaron went to goldsmithing school instead of pu…
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Bow hunting all-star, world class athlete and author Cam Hanes sits down with Jay for this huge BONUS episode, presented by MTN OPS, to talk about how he grew up bow hunting and where his love of the outdoors came from in his youth. Cam also tells Jay why he's kept his day job for 26 years, despite having all these other ventures, how he respects t…
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Jay sits down in the studio with country/rap superstar Breland to talk about his new album, finally getting to tour to support his single that came out before the pandemic, and growing up in a musical family. Plus Breland talks about how he pivoted into country music, how he saw Justin Bieber's achievements as an attainable goal for a guy his age, …
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Josh Harris, a boat captain on Deadliest Catch and Deadliest Catch: Bloodline, sits down with Jay to talk about fishing in over a million miles of open ocean, and the WILD orientation process of learning to fish tuna with big Samoan fisherman compared to fishing crabs. Josh also talks about how his father fell into the show, and how his entire adul…
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One of Peloton's most popular instructors, Kendall Toole, talks about Jay about how many people are on the Peloton platform and jokes that she's instructed classes for over 20,000 people at once. Jay and Kendall also talk about her upbringing, how she fell into cheerleading at USC after years of homeschooling, and how she discovered boxing and fitn…
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