At Last She Said It is a podcast that seeks to amplify and explore a variety of voices, stories, ideas and experiences of Mormon women.
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Connecting members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints with certified coaches who have all the tools to help you live a life full of peace, love, fun, and progress. Each episode features different coaches listed on the Latter-day LIfe Coach Directory. Don't miss an episode!
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Ex-Mormon siblings Brother Dan and Sister Lisa discuss Mormonism, LDS culture, religiosity, atheism, mortality, personal growth & the examined life.
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Finding the truth of Jesus Christ amidst rumors, myths, and incorrect definitions.
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Episode 186: What Happened to Community? | A Conversation with Candice Wendt
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“Life as a member offers relatively little social time or enjoyment,” writes Candice Wendt. “Being in the ward is mostly about passive listening and being told to follow leaders and go to the temple. [...] You’re more likely to get asked to clean our very dirty building than be asked to dinner." In episode 186, Candice joins Susan and Cynthia for a…
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182. Creating Structure Around ADHD with Kamden Hainsworth
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We live in a world that is fast paced and has rules as to how things should operate and what is and isn’t acceptable. If you are neurotypical you can easily fit into this world, but if you are neurodivergent, fitting in can be difficult. The same holds true for inside the Church. We have certain ways of operating and how we like to do things. Those…
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Episode 185: Does That Scripture Mean What You Think it Means? | A Dance with the Parable of the Talents
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Rob Bell describes interacting with scripture like this: there’s the black ink (what’s written on the page), then there’s the white space around it (where we dance with what’s written). In Episode 185, Susan and Cynthia take on what Latter-day Saints commonly call the Parable of the Talents, from Matthew 25. It’s a conversation about grace out of h…
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181. Micro Focused Moments in Goal Setting with Amber Winn
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Goals are great things to set but all too often we let our goals be another area that we beat ourselves up and think we aren’t good enough because we aren’t accomplishing the goals fast enough or well enough. Coach Amber Winn has come up with a term she calls “Micro Focused Moments” where she helps her clients look for the small wins and accomplish…
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Episode 184: Am I Allowed to Change? | A Conversation with Jana Spangler
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Many of us make temple covenants as young adults. Are we expected to have the same perspectives and priorities at 80 that we had at 18? In a church that emphasizes concepts like “staying on the covenant path” and “enduring to the end,” it can be hard to know how to navigate when our life experiences invite us to grow in new directions. In Episode 1…
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180. Women Building Businesses with Bonnie Wiscombe
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In the last few years have you noticed a large number of LDS women starting their own businesses? Why do you think this has been happening? Coach Bonnie Wiscombe believes that it is the result of so many of them feeling a call from God to do so and use them to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ through their business endeavors. Women are pulled in m…
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We asked, you answered! Of all emotions, anger might be the least acceptable for Latter-day Saint women. Many of us are not comfortable being around it, expressing it, talking about it, or even feeling it. But when we choose silence over healthy dialogue, what’s the toll on our physical, emotional, and spiritual well-being? In Episode 183, Cynthia …
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179. How to Deal with Performance Nerves with Shelly Townsend
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Anyone who has ever had to get up in front of a group either for a performance or to give a talk at church, has felt the nerves that inevitably come up. Coach Shelly Townsend coaches performers not to help them to eliminate their nerves but to help them learn how to manage them. Whether you are a seasoned performer or just someone sharing with othe…
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Episode 182: The Harder the Better | A Conversation with Valerie Hamaker
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Does devotion always require walking uphill? What’s the difference between good-hard and bad-hard? Do some Church members see the difficulty of a thing as a measure of the righteousness it requires? Has “more suffering and sacrifice” somehow come to mean “higher and holier” in the LDS narrative? In Episode 182, Valerie Hamaker of Latter-day Struggl…
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178. Adjusting to Normal Life Post Mission with Brianna Stewart
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There is so much excitement and anticipation leading up to someone leaving and going on a mission. There is a training center to help missionaries adjust to missionary life, but what about when they come home? Where is the training center for helping them assimilate back into everyday life? Coach Brianna Stewart is on the podcast today talking abou…
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Episode 181: What About the Sacrament?
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As the centerpiece of Sunday worship and an ordinance pointing directly to Jesus Christ, the sacrament holds deep meaning for many Latter-day Saints. In Episode 181, Cynthia and Susan turn their grace-peddling to a conversation about the sacrament. What matters more: worthiness, or willingness? When did this simple remembrance of Jesus become about…
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177. Creating Equality in Our Relationships with Tanya Hale
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We all want to be seen and valued for who we are, what we want, and the things we need. In order for that to happen in any relationship, compromise must give way to collaboration. Coach Tanya Hale is back on the podcast today teaching some great ways to engage in equal and collaborative relationships so that each person gets what they want and need…
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Episode 180: Embracing Your Journey | A Conversation with Mary Cox
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Mary once put a vinyl motto above her kitchen door that read, “That’s What We Do!” It was a 4-word description of her life as a Latter-day Saint woman. For many years, she and her husband were “the couple who could get it done” at church. She describes looking back with grace for that younger self: “She was doing the best she could with what she kn…
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176. Building Connection Between Mother and Son with Heidi Allsop
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Every mother wants to have a connection with their son and that pull to be connected often seems to increase as they get older and are closer to leaving the nest. Coach Heidi Allsop is a mom to five boys and coaches other moms of boys in helping them build stronger connections with their sons as well as prepare their sons to go out into the real wo…
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What is spirituality? Am I doing it right? What does it look or feel like? Who decides? Episode 179 rounds out the intro of our theme with an exploration of James Finley’s idea: “The greatest teacher of God’s presence in our life is our life.” Cynthia and Susan discuss the difference between communication and communion, finding points of connection…
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175. Healing After a Concussion with Bethany Lewis
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No one likes to get injured but when the injury is to your brain it can be a lot scarier and have a lot more unknowns. As you will hear coach Bethany Lewis is passionate about helping those who have suffered from a concussion because she is aware that there are a lot of unknowns and people often don’t get the care they need to heal properly. This i…
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Episode 178: Women's Spirituality | A Conversation with Brittney Hartley
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Like flowers in the cracks of a sidewalk, women’s spirituality has had to work its way around and through thousands of years of religious beliefs and practices established and maintained by and for men. “I have stopped trying to make my life look spiritually acceptable to men. Men have very specific criteria for what spirituality is, based on the r…
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174. Turning to the Lord When Faced with Divorce with Jenn Zingmark
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Divorce is never easy and when a spouse has not lived up to commitments and promises that were expectations going into the marriage, the loss can be even more profound. Coach Jenn Zingmark is on the podcast today discussing what she has learned having gone through a divorce and most importantly how her life has been richly blessed post divorce by t…
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Sister Lisa shares the story and meaning of her first tattoo, an update on her feelings around her grad school experience, and her thoughts on reading ‘The Testaments’ by Margaret Atwood. The siblings then discuss recent thoughts around death and the treatment of remains, and their potential preferences for their own bodies. — The Common Mormon: Pa…
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“There is room to honor and hold space for the precious and the meaningful even as we evolve in our beliefs, our homes, and our lives. It’s okay to bring some things with you.” These wise words from writer Sarah Bessey help shape the conversation of this Season 8 opener. Everyone who’s moved knows it can be hard to decide what to toss and what to k…
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173. The Natural Man vs. The Eternal Self with Michelle Keil
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We all know our spirits came to earth to inhabit a body but the union of those two is often one that creates dissonance and opposition since they have different roles to play. But as coach Michelle Keil will share, it is when we can reconcile the body and the spirit and help them both function well is when we can progress and move forward in the fa…
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Episode 176 (Bonus): What About Season 8?
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In this short bonus episode, Susan and Cynthia look ahead to the upcoming season of podcast conversations. Season 8 will center on Latter-day Saint women digging and drawing from our individual spiritual wells. Hope you’ll join us!By Cynthia Winward, Susan Hinckley
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172. 3 Things Teenage Boys Need to Know Before Leaving Home with Alicia Davis
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While being a parent to any child brings its own unique challenges and struggles, parenting styles often vary based on the gender of a child. Boys need to be parented differently than girls. Coach Alicia Davis is a mom to four boys of her own and loves helping moms of boys learn how to better parent their sons. In today’s episode Alicia is talking …
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Episode 175 (Bonus): Revisiting When Women Are The Problem
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In this bonus episode, Cynthia and Susan revisit part of an earlier discussion exploring the idea of Latter-day Saint women’s complicity in our own marginalization. Recent events have once again highlighted ways women may be the biggest obstacle to achieving greater parity of roles within the organization. It’s still an itchy topic with no easy ans…
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171. Coming to Know the Character of God with Jill Cleaver
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We are amazing individuals capable of so much and yet we are often living below are privileges when we do not actively seek and bring God into our lives and allow Him to make so much more of them then we ever could on our own. Coach Jill Cleaver loves God and wants other women to come to have a greater connection with Him. One way we do this is by …
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170. How Healing the Boy Helps You Find the Man with Glenn Lovelace
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The coaching tools are something that many women have caught onto and adopted into their lives. They’ve seen amazing results by changing the way they think about the circumstances they come across. But what about their husbands? Coach Glenn Lovelace is on the podcast because he sees that while the women are changing, the men in their lives need to …
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Episode 174 (Bonus): Exhibit A—Reactions to the Relief Society Broadcast
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On March 17, 2024 the Church broadcast a Worldwide Relief Society Devotional featuring remarks from the RS General Presidency and President Nelson. In this bonus episode, Cynthia and Susan discuss some of the messages delivered and the social media outpouring from Latter-day Saint women in response.By Cynthia Winward, Susan Hinckley
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169. Being a Parent to Fostered or Adoptive Children with Bonnie Butler
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Becoming a parent is daunting as is, but when you become a parent to children that are not biologically yours and come with previous family history, the road will have different and sometimes more difficult ups and downs in the parenting journey. Coach Bonnie Butler is on the podcast today talking about her journey adopting six siblings, how it wen…
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168. The Neuroscience of Pain with Leah Davidson
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We have all experienced pain of some sort or another. When it comes to physical pain we often attribute it to a structural abnormality. Coach Leah Davidson is on the podcast today and this episode will change the way you think about pain and its source. No matter if pain comes from a structural source or a learned source, all pain begins in the bra…
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167. Emotional Resilience After Divorce with Suzanne Platt
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No one gets married with the belief that they will get divorced and yet divorce is a reality for so many. No matter if you are the person who was forced into divorce or the one who wanted the divorce, there are so many emotions that come up when a couple goes through this process. Coach Suzanne Platt is on the podcast today talking about the import…
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166. Operating From Abundance with Your Adult Children with Brooke Oniki
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We all have dreams and expectations of the relationships we will have with our children when they become adults. But far too often, they don’t follow the script we have for those dreams and we find ourselves feeling like the relationships we have with them are out of control and lacking in so many ways. Coach Brooke Oniki is on the podcast today to…
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165. How to Be a Strong Woman Leader with Meg Tilton
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President Russell M. Nelson has asked the women of the Church to rise to their potential and be a strong force for good not only in their homes but also in the Church and in their communities. But far too often women feel like they fall short and don’t have what it takes to be an effective leader. Coach Meg Tilton is on the podcast today to talk ab…
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164. Overcoming Codependency with Jane Copier
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We all have the desire to be needed and in many ways we need each other for our comfort and survival but all too often we cross the line of being emotionally dependent on others in a way that is detrimental to all involved. This is a common occurrence with mothers in relation to their children. Coach Jane Copier is a coach who works with midlife mo…
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Sister Lisa shares her struggles and thoughts on her grad school experience as she prepares to be a therapist, and how her religious past informs her approach and understanding of the system. The siblings read some *fascinating* articles on tithing from the most recent issue of Liahona, and discuss how much they think about this whole Mormonism thi…
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163. Finding Connection Through Vulnerability with Michele Gardemann
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It goes against our natural instinct. The last thing we think will be effective in connecting to others is to expose our most vulnerable selves. And yet, vulnerability is the very thing that drives connection between ourselves and others. Coach Michele Gardemann is on the podcast today talking about how when she was finally willing to get vulnerabl…
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Episode 173: An Open Letter to the Church | The Imagination Episode
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Some topics come up in these podcast conversations again and again, and that gets our attention. They frustrate us but also feel like obvious opportunities: areas where the church we love could take a step forward, and even small changes might make a big difference. In Episode 173, Cynthia and Susan call out a few of their frustrations and imagine …
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162. Overcoming an Addiction to Prescription Drugs with Becky Garner
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Addiction, especially drug addiction, is not a subject we speak of much on this podcast but Coach Becky Garner is here today sharing her journey and story of being addicted to prescription medication. This is such a powerful episode and one filled with so much hope if you or someone you love is in a similar situation. Becky not only shares her stor…
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Talk a lot about guilt and shame and eventually, you'll probably crave a hefty dose of grace! The conversation in Episode 172 is just that. Cynthia and Susan focus on challenges Latter-day Saints might have decoupling works and grace. Is it possible accepting grace actually requires more faith than depending on our own good works? How might pivotin…
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161. Practical Steps to Achieving Your Goals with Molly Claire
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It’s a new year and with a new year many of us will be setting new goals. We all want to make 2024 our best year yet and many of us wonder if this will actually be the year we are able to do it. Coach Molly Claire is here to talk you through five very practical steps to make sure your goals come to fruition and that you can do it in a way that is u…
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Episode 171: What About Guilt and Shame? | A Conversation with C.A. Larson, Part 2
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In Episode 171, Susan and Cynthia continue their discussion with therapist C.A. Larson about guilt and shame. Where are they coming from? What are some specific ways these emotions might affect Latter-day Saint women, and how can we recognize and work through them in healthy ways?By Cynthia Winward, Susan Hinckley
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160. Embracing Change with Jackie Swainson
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We live in a world that is constantly changing. The earth goes through drastic cycles of change in the course of just one year. And yet, when it comes to change in our own lives, we often resist that change because of the discomfort it will bring. Coach Jackie Swainson is on the podcast today talking about how women - especially those over forty, n…
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Episode 170: What About Guilt and Shame? | A Conversation with C.A. Larson, Part 1
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“The most liberating process is to realize that no one’s expectations for my life matter but my own,” says therapist C.A. Larson. In Episode 170, she joins Cynthia and Susan for the first part of a discussion about guilt and shame. What’s the difference between these two emotions? How do they help or hinder our growth and progress? And what tools c…
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159. Having More F.U.N. in Your Relationships with LeAnn Austin
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We all love to have fun. It’s when we are having fun that life seems less heavy, we are connecting with others, and we can often feel more confidence in our lives. Coach LeAnn Austin is on the podcast talking about the importance of fun in our relationships and how fun can help a heavy or tense situation become a lot lighter. She has even turned th…
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Episode 169: Embracing Your Journey | A Conversation with Lisa Torcasso Downing
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“My religious life is beyond the confines of my ward or stake,” says Lisa Torcasso Downing, a Latter-day Saint woman for whom using her voice is an integral part of her faith life. She describes her long-running blog, Life Outside the Book of Mormon Belt: "That's where I’ve been saying it!” In Episode 169, she joins Susan and Cynthia for a rich con…
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158. Having Greater Connection in Your Marriage with Crystal Hansen
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We all want a happy marriage, but happy marriages don’t just happen. They take a lot of work and dedication by both marriage partners. A common misconception many couples believe is that a happy marriage is free of disagreements, frustrations, and boredom. Coach Crystal Hansen is on the podcast today to let you know that a marriage that has those t…
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Episode 168: Revisiting What Women Don't Get in our Church
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Some questions need to be revisited often so we don’t lose sight of the fact that no satisfactory answer has been given. In Episode 91, Cynthia asked, “If history shows that patriarchy is bad for women, and data shows that girls and women fare better when they can see themselves at every level of leadership in our churches, schools, and societies…w…
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We are told many times that if we read our scriptures, say our prayers, go to the temple, and magnify our callings, we will always be led and directed by our Heavenly Parents. But what if we are doing that and the heavens seem silent? In this year's final episode of the 2023, Heather is reflecting back on her year and how it was a year that the hea…
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Marriage Is for Losers | More Sh*t From BYU-I
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Sister Lisa shares more eyebrow-raising notes from her BYU-Idaho classes. Dating, sexuality, gender and marriage roles, revelation, ’NCMO’, suppressing desire, boundaries, bogus statistics, terrible advice & more! — Christopher Columbus episode of Everywhere You Go is Bullsh*t: http://tinyurl.com/ymnp8aw8 http://siblingsinzion.com http://facebook.c…
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Sometimes it’s good to just have fun! Episode 167 is a peek behind the curtain at ALSSI. Cynthia and Susan turn on the mics for an unscripted chat about everything from podcaster-pet-peeves to “spilled tea” to Christmas traditions. It’s the kind of conversation that’s probably good to publish now and then just to remind ourselves and everyone else:…
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156. The Power of a Faithful Mother with Christi Davis
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We all want to have a good relationship with our children. We all want them to make good choices. We all want them to be happy and stay close to the Lord. But despite some of our greatest efforts our children are not always going to follow the “formula” that will lead them on the path we think they should go. Coach Christi Davis is on the podcast t…
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