Best Vacation Rental Revolution Podcasts (2025)

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Episode #326 - Ross Alcorn┃Turn Business Expenses Into Points & Travel Accommodations 46:20

8h ago46:20

46:20

Want to learn more about Vodyssey or start your STR journey. Book a call here: https://meetings.hubspot.com/vodysseystrategysession/booknow?utm_source=vodysseycom&uuid=80fb7859-b8f4-40d1-a31d-15a5caa687b7 Contact Ross: https://itineraryboss.com/ https://www.instagram.com/rossalcorn33/?hl=en https://www.youtube.com/@ItineraryBoss https://www.linkedi…

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Episode 325 - 3 Reasons Why Your STR Is FAILING + How To Fix Them┃Debate: Renting VS Owning 1:01:06

3h ago1:01:06

1:01:06

Want to learn more about Vodyssey or start your STR journey. Book a call here: https://meetings.hubspot.com/vodysseystrategysession/booknow?utm_source=vodysseycom&uuid=80fb7859-b8f4-40d1-a31d-15a5caa687b7 UNDERWRITE USING OUR TOOLS https://www.lifestyleassetuniversity.com/order1683833769862 FOLLOW US: https://www.facebook.com/share/g/16XJMvMbVo/ ht…

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Building Trust in Luxury Vacation Rentals with Casey Alderman 21:57

1h ago21:57

21:57

When hurricanes strike repeatedly and booking windows collapse from a year to two weeks, how do property managers not just survive but build stronger operations? In this episode of The Vacation Rental Show, host Lynell Gordon speaks with Casey Alderman, Property Manager at Parsley-Baldwin Realty, about transforming crisis management into competitiv…

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Episode 324 - Nelson Soh┃The "American Dream" Faces Backlash┃Growing Wealth By Understanding Money 41:53

5d ago41:53

41:53

The conversation delves into the importance of understanding money management before diving into investing. It highlights how many individuals lack foundational knowledge about finances, which can lead to poor financial decisions, as seen in the case of lottery winners who often lose their wealth due to a lack of understanding of money management p…

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Episode 323 - Leveraging The Job You Hate Into The Life You Love, "VRBO Care", Airbnb Exodus, and MORE 55:08

8d ago55:08

55:08

Want to learn more about Vodyssey or start your STR journey. Book a call here: https://meetings.hubspot.com/vodysseystrategysession/booknow?utm_source=vodysseycom&uuid=80fb7859-b8f4-40d1-a31d-15a5caa687b7 FOLLOW US: https://www.facebook.com/share/g/16XJMvMbVo/ https://www.instagram.com/vodysseyshawnmoore https://www.facebook.com/vodysseyshawnmoore/…

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Building Sustainable Tech Ecosystems with Mike Norde of Inhabit 24:12

4d ago24:12

24:12

Property management technology partnerships can make or break operational efficiency, yet most platforms struggle to balance openness with sustainability. In this episode of The Vacation Rental Show, host Lynell Gordon speaks with Mike Norde, Director of Third-Party Partnerships at Inhabit, about how thoughtful partnership strategies create value f…

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Episode 322 - Misti Petrie┃How She 3x Her Revenue┃Real Tools To Help Boost Your Revenue 35:43

6d ago35:43

35:43

Want to learn more about Vodyssey or start your STR journey. Book a call here: https://meetings.hubspot.com/vodysseystrategysession/booknow?utm_source=vodysseycom&uuid=80fb7859-b8f4-40d1-a31d-15a5caa687b7 MISTI'S PROPERTY https://belatopia.com/en/the-edelweiss-helen-ga https://belatopia.com/en/the-fernweh-helen-ga https://belatopia.com/en/the-break…

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Episode 321 - Airbnb's Policy Change, Buying Preexisting STR's, Vacation Home Longevity, and MORE!! 47:49

18d ago47:49

47:49

Want to learn more about Vodyssey or start your STR journey. Book a call here: https://meetings.hubspot.com/vodysseystrategysession/booknow?utm_source=vodysseycom&uuid=80fb7859-b8f4-40d1-a31d-15a5caa687b7 The conversation explores consumer behavior, particularly their willingness to pay more for personalized and unique experiences. It emphasizes th…

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How Pre-Arrival Grocery Service Is Creating Hotel-Like Experiences with Milad Ghods of Bellhopt 20:25

9d ago20:25

20:25

The vacation rental industry promises travelers the comforts of home with hotel-like amenities, but there's been a persistent gap between that promise and reality. In this episode of The Vacation Rental Show, host Lynell Gordon speaks with Milad Ghods, co-founder of Bellhopt, about how his company is bridging that gap through pre-arrival concierge …

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Episode 320 - Harvey Kesner┃Raising Capital, SEC, Crypto, A.I. and MORE! 45:17

13d ago45:17

45:17

Want to learn more about Vodyssey or start your STR journey. Book a call here: https://meetings.hubspot.com/vodysseystrategysession/booknow?utm_source=vodysseycom&uuid=80fb7859-b8f4-40d1-a31d-15a5caa687b7 HARVEY LINKS: https://hkesnerlaw.com/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/harvey-kesner/ FOLLOW US: https://www.facebook.com/share/g/16XJMvMbVo/ https://…

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87: Michael Zuber: Debunking Doomers and Creating Wealth in Real Estate 34:36

14d ago34:36

34:36

Jason and Michael Zuber of https://onerentalatatime.com/ discuss the current real estate market, emphasizing that fears of a housing crisis are unfounded and highlighting the benefits of low mortgage rates and increased inventory for buyers. They analyze historical trends in housing prices, mortgage rates, and transaction volumes to provide context…

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Episode 319 - How This Coach Changed Shawn's Life, What Goes Into Your Property Bio, Loyalty Programs, and MORE 42:22

24d ago42:22

42:22

Want to learn more about Vodyssey or start your STR journey. Book a call here: https://meetings.hubspot.com/vodysseystrategysession/booknow?utm_source=vodysseycom&uuid=80fb7859-b8f4-40d1-a31d-15a5caa687b7 In this episode of the Vacation Rental Revolution Podcast, Shawn Moore and Jake Shehee discuss the significance of mentorship in business, the es…

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The Third Lane: How Stakeholders VR Is Creating a New Exit Strategy for Property Managers with Stakeholders VR 23:50

16d ago23:50

23:50

In this episode of The Vacation Rental Show, host Lynell Gordon speaks with Lino Maldonado and Brady Stump, co-founders of Stakeholders VR, about creating an entirely new consolidation model that didn't exist in the vacation rental industry. What you'll learn: Why traditional "cash out and move on" acquisitions aren't the right fit for many success…

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Episode 318 - Ryan Guite┃A Real World Example Of A "Lifestyle Asset"┃Vacation & Make Money 45:43

30d ago45:43

45:43

Want to learn more about Vodyssey or start your STR journey. Book a call here: https://meetings.hubspot.com/vodysseystrategysession/booknow?utm_source=vodysseycom&uuid=80fb7859-b8f4-40d1-a31d-15a5caa687b7 BOOK HIS PROPERTIES https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/1424026104674273412 https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/1029715614359738128 https://www.airbnb.com/room…

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Episode 317 - Best Financing Options For STR's, Government Shutdown, Stock Market Crash, and MORE 52:30

22d ago52:30

52:30

Want to learn more about Vodyssey or start your STR journey. Book a call here: https://meetings.hubspot.com/vodysseystrategysession/booknow?utm_source=vodysseycom&uuid=80fb7859-b8f4-40d1-a31d-15a5caa687b7 In this episode of the Vacation Rental Revolution podcast, Shawn Moore and Jake Shehee discuss various topics related to real estate investment, …

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Rebuilding Through Adversity: Angie Leone's Journey from 60 Properties to One After the Maui Fire 27:14

1M ago27:14

27:14

In this episode of The Vacation Rental Show, host Lynell Gordon speaks with Angie Leone, CEO and founder of Coconut Condos, about navigating the most challenging circumstances a property manager can face while maintaining faith, family priorities, and forward momentum. What You'll Learn: How to set non-negotiables from day one that protect work-lif…

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Episode 316 - Raj & Annika┃Common Mistakes To Be Aware Of That Will Cost You Time And Money... 51:01

1M ago51:01

51:01

Want to learn more about Vodyssey or start your STR journey. Book a call here: https://meetings.hubspot.com/vodysseystrategysession/booknow?utm_source=vodysseycom&uuid=80fb7859-b8f4-40d1-a31d-15a5caa687b7 THEIR PROPERTY: https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/1450097004298563035?check_out=2025-06-29&viralityEntryPoint=1&unique_share_id=0C29411A-A151-4E2D-A07…

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Episode 315 - How Long Can STR's Make You Money, Cash On Cash Return and CRAZY Stories... 50:40

1M ago50:40

50:40

Want to learn more about Vodyssey or start your STR journey. Book a call here: https://meetings.hubspot.com/vodysseystrategysession/booknow?utm_source=vodysseycom&uuid=80fb7859-b8f4-40d1-a31d-15a5caa687b7 FOLLOW US: https://www.facebook.com/share/g/16XJMvMbVo/ https://www.instagram.com/vodysseyshawnmoore https://www.facebook.com/vodysseyshawnmoore/…

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Episode 314 - Ed Coambs┃How A Husband & Wife Can Build Wealth With Short Term Rentals 48:45

1M ago48:45

48:45

Want to learn more about Vodyssey or start your STR journey. Book a call here: https://meetings.hubspot.com/vodysseystrategysession/booknow?utm_source=vodysseycom&uuid=80fb7859-b8f4-40d1-a31d-15a5caa687b7 CONNECT WITH ED: https://www.healthyloveandmoney.com/ https://www.instagram.com/healthyloveandmoney/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/healthyloveandmo…

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Episode 313 - College Is NOT Worth It, Building Wealth, Personal Accountability and MORE 49:11

2M ago49:11

49:11

Want to learn more about Vodyssey or start your STR journey. Book a call here: https://meetings.hubspot.com/vodysseystrategysession/booknow?utm_source=vodysseycom&uuid=80fb7859-b8f4-40d1-a31d-15a5caa687b7 FOLLOW US: https://www.facebook.com/share/g/16XJMvMbVo/ https://www.instagram.com/vodysseyshawnmoore https://www.facebook.com/vodysseyshawnmoore/…

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Why Digital Wallets Are Taking Over Vacation Rentals with Matthew Gurley of Lynnbrook 34:35

2M ago34:35

34:35

In this episode of The Vacation Rental Show, host Lynell Gordon speaks with Matthew Gurley, Director of Sales and Partner Integrations at Lynnbrook, about the fundamental shifts in payment processing technology required as vacation rental companies evolve and scale their operations. What you'll learn: How digital wallets (Apple Pay, PayPal, Venmo) …

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Episode 312 - Bob Barratt┃How To DOUBLE Revenue By The End Of The Year... 38:34

2M ago38:34

38:34

In this episode of the Vacation Rental Revolution podcast, host Shawn Moore interviews Bob Barratt, a successful short-term rental investor. They discuss Bob's journey from corporate America to the world of short-term rentals, the challenges of market dynamics, and the importance of enhancing guest experiences. BOB'S PROPERTIES: https://www.amazing…

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Episode 311 - SHAWN GOT AUDITED + RESULTS, Backup Plan For Your STR, and more... 45:17

2M ago45:17

45:17

Want to learn more about Vodyssey or start your STR journey. Book a call here: https://meetings.hubspot.com/vodysseystrategysession/booknow?utm_source=vodysseycom&uuid=80fb7859-b8f4-40d1-a31d-15a5caa687b7 In this episode of the Vacation Rental Revolution podcast, hosts Sean Moore and Jake Shehee discuss various aspects of vacation rental investment…

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86: Aiming For the Longterm: Building Wealth Over Time | Client Case Study with Jonathan Hau 26:40

2M ago26:40

26:40

Today, Jason's client, real estate investor Jonathan Hau discusses his journey from a software career to full-time real estate, emphasizing his discovery of leverage as a wealth-building tool. He explains how his personal residence accidentally became his first rental property and highlights the benefits of self-managing properties over hiring prop…

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Small-Scale Stories to Enterprise Automation with Grace Souter of Inhabit 26:07

2M ago26:07

26:07

In this episode of The Vacation Rental Show, host Lynell Gordon speaks with Grace Souter, Director of Digital Marketing at Inhabit, about the fundamental shifts in marketing strategy required as vacation rental companies evolve from boutique operations to enterprise-scale businesses. What you'll learn: How marketing messaging shifts from "unique an…

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Episode 310 - Michael Grauer┃Shawn's Favorite Guest, Cowboy's Unmasked... 42:24

2M ago42:24

42:24

CONNECT WITH MICHAEL: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-grauer-553b2788 https://www.museumofthebigbend.com/michael-grauer/ https://www.enpleinairtexas.com/museum-talk-by-michael-grauer In this episode of the Vacation Rental Revolution podcast, host Shawn Moore interviews cowboy historian Michael Grauer, who shares his insights into the true histo…

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Episode 309 - How To Invest With NO CAPITAL, Why Concierge Services Are A Must, Remembering Charlie, and MORE 40:00

2M ago40:00

40:00

Want to learn more about Vodyssey or start your STR journey. Book a call here: https://meetings.hubspot.com/vodysseystrategysession/booknow?utm_source=vodysseycom&uuid=80fb7859-b8f4-40d1-a31d-15a5caa687b7 In this episode of the Vacation Rental Revolution podcast, Shawn Moore and Jake Shehee discuss the importance of disagreement in society, the imp…

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Episode 308 - Carl Miller┃True Crime┃Unmasking the Internet’s Darkest Mysteries, Secrets & Power 57:19

2M ago57:19

57:19

CONNECT WITH CARL: https://www.carlmiller.co/ https://x.com/carljackmiller?lang=en CARL'S BOOK https://www.amazon.co.uk/Death-Gods-Global-Power-Grab/dp/1786090120/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr= Want to learn more about Vodyssey or start your STR journey. Book a call here: https://meetings.hubspot.com/vodysseystrategysession/booknow?ut…

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Episode 307 - Riches In The Niches, Leapfrog Into Bigger & Better Properties, and R.I.P To Mary Moore... 46:02

2M ago46:02

46:02

Want to learn more about Vodyssey or start your STR journey. Book a call here: https://meetings.hubspot.com/vodysseystrategysession/booknow?utm_source=vodysseycom&uuid=80fb7859-b8f4-40d1-a31d-15a5caa687b7 In this episode of the Vacation Rental Revolution podcast, Shawn Moore and Jake Shehee discuss the importance of understanding your target audien…

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How Hospitality Heroes Is Revolutionizing Disaster Recovery Planning for Property Managers 36:04

2M ago36:04

36:04

In this episode of The Vacation Rental Show, host Lynell Gordon speaks with Rachele Hobbs, Sue Jones, and April Burns about their groundbreaking nonprofit initiative that's transforming how the hospitality industry approaches disaster preparedness and recovery. What you'll learn: How Hurricane Helene's impact on Western North Carolina sparked the c…

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Episode 306 - Gary Noesner┃FBI Chief Crisis Negotiator Shares Tense Stories and Techniques 45:02

2M ago45:02

45:02

GARY'S WEBSITE: https://www.garynoesner.com/ GARY'S BOOK: https://www.garynoesner.com/buy-stalling-for-time In this episode, Shawn Moore interviews Gary Noesner, a retired FBI negotiator, who shares insights from his extensive career in crisis negotiation. They discuss the evolution of negotiation techniques, the importance of active listening, and…

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Episode 305 - Airbnb's NEW Controversial Update & Parenting Advice You NEED To Know!! 31:18

2M ago31:18

31:18

WORK WITH KRISTEEN & KEVIN https://picmestrphotography.com/ Want to learn more about Vodyssey or start your STR journey. Book a call here: https://meetings.hubspot.com/vodysseystrategysession/booknow?utm_source=vodysseycom&uuid=80fb7859-b8f4-40d1-a31d-15a5caa687b7 In this episode of the Vacation Rental Revolution podcast, hosts Shawn Moore and Jake…

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How VRMA Transformed from Member Feedback to Action Driven Results with Anne Gardner of VRMA 33:34

2M ago33:34

33:34

In this episode of The Vacation Rental Show, host Lynell Gordon speaks with Anne Gardner, Executive Director of VRMA, about the dramatic transformation of the vacation rental industry's largest professional association and how it's adapting to serve members in an era of rapid change. What you'll learn: How VRMA's "grand listening tour" transformed …

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Episode 304 - Jaycob Payne┃How To Find The PERFECT Property For Your Target Audience 29:49

3M ago29:49

29:49

Want to learn more about Vodyssey or start your STR journey. Book a call here: https://meetings.hubspot.com/vodysseystrategysession/booknow?utm_source=vodysseycom&uuid=80fb7859-b8f4-40d1-a31d-15a5caa687b7 In this episode of the Vacation Rental Revolution podcast, the hosts discuss the current real estate market, emphasizing the importance of unders…

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Episode 303 - Airbnb Adds Hotels, Friendly Debates, Housing Market Changes & MORE 45:08

3M ago45:08

45:08

Want to learn more about Vodyssey or start your STR journey. Book a call here: https://meetings.hubspot.com/vodysseystrategysession/booknow?utm_source=vodysseycom&uuid=80fb7859-b8f4-40d1-a31d-15a5caa687b7 In this episode of the Vacation Rental Revolution Podcast, hosts Shawn Moore and Jake Sheehy discuss various topics including the traditional 9 t…

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The HR Secrets to Scaling Your Property Management Business with Sue Jones of HR for Vacation Rental Management Companies 37:32

3M ago37:32

37:32

In this episode of The Vacation Rental Show, host Lynell Gordon speaks with Sue Jones, founder and owner of HR4VR and the vacation rental industry's premier HR expert, about transforming property management teams through strategic human resources practices. What you'll learn: Why standardizing systems before scaling is crucial for sustainable growt…

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85: Trump's Big Beautiful Bill: Revolutionizing Real Estate Investing and Saving on Taxes 30:21

3M ago30:21

30:21

Jason presents Travis King, CEO of Realm, a real estate investor collective, focusing on the "Big Beautiful Bill" and its positive implications for real estate investors. They discuss specific provisions like accelerated depreciation and the permanent grandfathering of Opportunity Zones, highlighting their role in attracting capital back into the m…

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Episode 302 - John David Mann┃NYT Best Selling Author Describes His Process To Success 43:09

3M ago43:09

43:09

Want to learn more about Vodyssey or start your STR journey. Book a call here: https://meetings.hubspot.com/vodysseystrategysession/booknow?utm_source=vodysseycom&uuid=80fb7859-b8f4-40d1-a31d-15a5caa687b7 John's Website, Books & Coaching: https://johndavidmann.com/ Follow John: https://www.instagram.com/johndavidmann/ https://www.facebook.com/johnd…

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The Vacation Rental Show Trailer 2:42

3M ago2:42

2:42

The Vacation Rental Show is handcrafted by our friends over at: fame.so Previous guests include: Jim DeVos of Best Beach Getaways, Stacy Wesson of Cascara Vacation Rentals, Michael Friedman of The Simple Life Hospitality, Steve Caron of Inhabit, John An of TechTape, Jessica Gillingham of Abode Worldwide, Justin Ford of Breezeway, Mahwussh Alam of O…

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Episode 301 - Mail-in Ballot Debate, Taylor Swift News, Hurricane Erin, and MORE!! 45:13

3M ago45:13

45:13

Want to learn more about Vodyssey or start your STR journey. Book a call here: https://meetings.hubspot.com/vodysseystrategysession/booknow?utm_source=vodysseycom&uuid=80fb7859-b8f4-40d1-a31d-15a5caa687b7 In this episode of the Vacation Rental Revolution podcast, host Shawn Moore discusses various topics related to vacation rentals, including the i…

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Episode 300 - Adrian Koehler┃What Coaching The U.S. Navy Seals Taught Him About Perseverance 45:15

3M ago45:15

45:15

Want to learn more about Vodyssey or start your STR journey. Book a call here: https://meetings.hubspot.com/vodysseystrategysession/booknow?utm_source=vodysseycom&uuid=80fb7859-b8f4-40d1-a31d-15a5caa687b7 In this episode, Shawn Moore interviews Adrian Koehler, a leadership coach, discussing the importance of meaningful experiences in life and leade…

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How Property Managers Can Lead Sustainability Efforts with Derreck Kayongo of Clean Production Action 38:16

3M ago38:16

38:16

In this episode of The Vacation Rental Show, host Lynell Gordon speaks with Derreck Kayongo, upcoming keynote speaker at Streamline Summit 2025: Soar and Executive Director of Clean Production Action, about transforming vacation rental properties through sustainable chemistry and environmental responsibility. What you'll learn: Why hotels threw awa…

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Episode 299 - RUDE Guests, Scary A.I. News, Travel Trends To Know and MORE!! 35:01

3M ago35:01

35:01

Want to learn more about Vodyssey or start your STR journey. Book a call here: https://meetings.hubspot.com/vodysseystrategysession/booknow?utm_source=vodysseycom&uuid=80fb7859-b8f4-40d1-a31d-15a5caa687b7 In this episode of the Vacation Rental Revolution podcast, hosts Shawn Moore and Jake Shehee discuss various topics related to travel trends, the…

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Episode 298 - Rohit Bezewada┃CEO of AirDNA┃How Bad Data Can RUIN Your Investment! 38:37

3M ago38:37

38:37

Want to learn more about Vodyssey or start your STR journey. Book a call here: https://meetings.hubspot.com/vodysseystrategysession/booknow?utm_source=vodysseycom&uuid=80fb7859-b8f4-40d1-a31d-15a5caa687b7 In this episode of the Vacation Rental Revolution podcast, host Shawn Moore interviews Rohit Bezewada, CEO of AirDNA and Uplisting. They discuss …

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How New York's Rental Regulations Are Reshaping Real Estate with Karla Saladino of Mirador Real Estate 43:42

3M ago43:42

43:42

In this episode of The Vacation Rental Show, host Lynell Gordon speaks with Karla Saladino, Managing Partner of Mirador Real Estate, about the complex realities of New York City's rental market and the unintended consequences of housing regulations that have created a crisis of vacant inventory amid severe housing shortages. What you'll learn: Why …

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Episode 297 - What They Aren't Telling You, Hollywood Mocking Jesus, STR Questions and MORE! 50:20

3M ago50:20

50:20

Want to learn more about Vodyssey or start your STR journey. Book a call here: https://meetings.hubspot.com/vodysseystrategysession/booknow?utm_source=vodysseycom&uuid=80fb7859-b8f4-40d1-a31d-15a5caa687b7 In this episode of the Vacation Rental Revolution Podcast, Shawn Moore and Jake Shehee discuss various topics ranging from overcoming self-doubt …

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Episode 296 - Nate Yeomans┃Let People Pay For Your Vacation With Breakeven Properties 38:44

4M ago38:44

38:44

Want to learn more about Vodyssey or start your STR journey. Book a call here: https://meetings.hubspot.com/vodysseystrategysession/booknow?utm_source=vodysseycom&uuid=80fb7859-b8f4-40d1-a31d-15a5caa687b7 In this episode of the Vacation Rental Revolution podcast, host Shawn Moore interviews Nate Yeomans about his journey into short-term rental inve…

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Five Key Principles to Successful Property Management with Ashley Ching of Inhaven 29:57

4M ago29:57

29:57

In this episode of The Vacation Rental Show, host Lynell Gordon speaks with Ashley Ching, Founder and CEO of Inhaven, about a comprehensive case study revealing why national hospitality management companies consistently fail and the five key principles that determine success in property management scaling. What you'll learn: The "4 out of 5 drive-b…

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Episode 295 - WNBA Controversy, Alien Mothership Spotted, Terrible Airbnb Experience, and MORE! 42:09

4M ago42:09

42:09

Want to learn more about Vodyssey or start your STR journey. Book a call here: https://meetings.hubspot.com/vodysseystrategysession/booknow?utm_source=vodysseycom&uuid=80fb7859-b8f4-40d1-a31d-15a5caa687b7 In this episode of the Vacation Rental Revolution podcast, Shawn Moore and Jake Shehee discuss various topics ranging from humorous travel anecdo…

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Episode 294 - Mike & Kevin┃How investors use taxes to their advantage┃Step By Step Guide 45:54

4M ago45:54

45:54

Want to learn more about Vodyssey or start your STR journey. Book a call here: https://meetings.hubspot.com/vodysseystrategysession/booknow?utm_source=vodysseycom&uuid=80fb7859-b8f4-40d1-a31d-15a5caa687b7 In this episode, Shawn Moore discusses the recent tax law changes with tax experts Mike Pine and Kevin Schneider. They delve into the implication…

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