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Join Meade and Christy, two retired-over-drinkers turned freedom-from-alcohol coaches, as they explore all of the stories that kept them stuck in the nightly over-drinking cycle, including but certainly not limited to "But Jesus drank wine?" If you're looking for two Christian women who get real about how wine held them back and explore tricky questions about drinking (and beyond!) with grace, compassion, and zero judgment, this is the podcast for you.
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Abdalla Kroosh and Christopher Osborne

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Two Engineers, one from Egypt and one from the UK interviewing interesting engineers from various backgrounds and industries to learn about their experiences and unique perspectives.
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Friends of the Vine Wine Podcast features conversations with winemakers, wine writers, sommeliers and masters of wine. Our guests are knowledgeable, passionate professionals who love talking wine and all things related in the wine industry.
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Fear and anxiety are rampant in our world, weighing us down and leading to profound physical consequences. Our misaligned priorities and superwoman tendencies often lead us to believe that hustle is honorable when it's actually harmful. For Christy Boulware, a severe panic and anxiety disorder diagnosis was the wake-up call she needed. Today, our c…
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Hadley Sorensen, a mother of three, lifelong runner, and writer, shares her journey from social drinking to sobriety. Her book, The Dirty Truth on Social Drinking: “Everything in Moderation” and Other BS, debunks common myths about alcohol consumption and explores the concept of 'gray area drinking.' Hadley discusses the societal pressures that fue…
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In this heartfelt and inspiring episode, Wendy Speake ministers to women's hearts through her unique blend of storytelling and biblical life application. Wendy, author of multiple books including "The 40-Day Sugar Fast" and "The 40-Day Social Media Fast," shares her journey from hearing God's call at 18 to becoming a creative storyteller and Bible …
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After a year of podcasting, we kept receiving requests for more ways to connect with our “readers.” We felt the Lord leading us to create a community where our listeners could engage with each other on a deeper level. Through our research, we realized there wasn't a dedicated community for Christian or Jesus-curious women on an alcohol-free journey…
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JOIN THE BJDW COMMUNITY HERE! Heather Creekmore joins us to delve into the intricate topic of body image and its profound impact on women, heightened by the pervasive influence of diet culture. Drawing from her personal journey, Heather shares her struggles with body image and how she found liberation from disordered eating patterns. She challenges…
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JOIN THE BJDW COMMUNITY HERE! Learn More about Coaching with Christy Learn More about Coaching with Meade Order Christy’s New Book, Love Life Sober, here. In this insightful episode, Michelle Myers, co-founder of She Works His Way, delves into the significance of community and finding contentment in Christ. Michelle emphasizes that work is not conf…
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In today's episode, we're honored to host Christopher Cook, an author, coach, and pastor, who courageously shares his path of profound healing and transformation. His journey, shaped by the trauma of his mother's battle with cancer, her passing, and his own health diagnosis that deeply rattled him, offers profound insights into our capacity, throug…
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Today, we welcome the beautiful (inside and out) Brittany Estes, a renowned life coach, speaker, and author, to the podcast. In this captivating episode, Brittany shares her poignant journey of overcoming false narratives about worth and embracing a life of freedom and authenticity. Brittany delves into the transformative power of identifying and c…
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Allison Barber shares her profound journey to sobriety, shedding light on the complex evolution of her relationship with alcohol. Growing up as a rule follower, Allison felt the societal pressure to conform and fit in, leading her to question why she couldn't simply be a "normal drinker." However, amidst this struggle, she discovered the empowering…
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JOIN THE BJDW COMMUNITY HERE Join us for a deeply moving episode as we welcome our dear friend Rina Bowring to the podcast. As a fellow alcohol-freedom coach, Rina brings a wealth of wisdom and vulnerability to our conversation, sharing her unique journey of overcoming alcohol addiction and postpartum rage. Rina recounts her early struggles with al…
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JOIN THE BJDW COMMUNITY HERE In this episode, we are honored and humbled to present our conversation with psychiatrist, speaker and author Dr. Curt Thompson. Known around BJDW as, “the teacher Meade is most-likely to reference on the podcast for the depth and breadth of the impact his work has had on her life,” Curt, connects our intrinsic desire t…
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We hear you, our dear readers, that our list episodes are among your favorites and they happen to be favorites of ours too. For today’s insightful conversation, we are diving deep into the transformative journey of living alcohol-free, sharing our lists of the ten invaluable lessons we wish we’d known in our first year of “sobriety.” 1. Friendship …
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JOIN THE BJDW COMMUNITY HERE We are thrilled to announce our very first BJDW Community book, "The Gospel of John: Savoring the Peace of Jesus in a Chaotic World." To kick off this exciting venture, we've invited the brilliant author Melissa Spoelstra to join us on the podcast, where she shares her wisdom on how we can learn more about anchoring our…
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JOIN THE BJDW COMMUNITY HERE This week’s episode is a heart-to-heart with the inspiring Toni Collier, founder of Broken Crayons Still Color, a global women's organization dedicated to guiding individuals through brokenness toward healing and hope. Toni is a seasoned speaker, podcast host, and author who shares her profound insights on navigating li…
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JOIN THE BJDW COMMUNITY HERE In this episode we dive into the realm of alcohol-free experiences, sharing personal anecdotes and insights into navigating various social situations sans alcohol. We talk about the many milestone alcohol-free firsts, such as date nights, weddings, birthdays, sporting events, vacations, concerts, and theater/ballet perf…
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JOIN THE BJDW COMMUNITY HERE From the moment we cracked open the pages of her book, “Free Of Me, Why Life Is Better When It's Not About You,” we knew we needed Sharon Hodde Miller's wisdom on this pod, and we're incredibly grateful she accepted our invitation. In a world saturated with the "me" mentality, Sharon shines a light on the pervasive impa…
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JOIN THE BJDW COMMUNITY HERE Today, we delve into the complex dynamics of secret drinking, shedding light on the underlying desires for relief and connection in the face of life’s demands. Together we share our experiences of feeling constantly needed by others yet yearning for moments of solace and self-reconnection. Through our reflections, we hi…
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JOIN THE BJDW COMMUNITY HERE Get ready for an incredible episode as we sit down with the one and only Bob Goff, a true inspiration in living life to the fullest. Bob, the adventurous soul behind “Love Does,” “Everybody Always,” and “Undistracted," joins us to share his wisdom on embracing the journey, dreaming big, and showing yourself some grace a…
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JOIN THE BJDW COMMUNITY HERE Fresh off of Meade’s in-person Atlanta AF (alcohol-free) gals meet-up, we are talking all about the transformative power of meaningful connections. Providing avenues for support and camaraderie, both in-person meetups and online communities can foster meaningful connections. We discuss how prayer serves as a valuable to…
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JOIN THE BJDW COMMUNITY HERE Today’s episode is an inspiring and powerful story from Kristen McAvoy, sobriety influencer and founder of Sober Girl Tribe. From party girl days in college to Covid isolation struggles, Kristen opens up about her decade-long struggle with addiction to alcohol, later compounded by Xanax use. Her journey began in college…
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Cokie and her wine related video content has gained a huge following on YouTube and Instagram, as she shares her passion, energy, and knowledge of wine. Cokie is a WSET Diploma graduate, who juggles university life with representing trade bodies for wine missions in areas such as Niagara, USA and Europe. We dive into a variety of topics, including …
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Join Meade and Christy as they delve into the second part of their conversation centered on the importance of community with the launch of the But Jesus Drink Wine Community, exploring the intersection of faith, personal growth, and community support. From the challenges of outgrowing friendships to the impact of FOMO on social media, they offer in…
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JOIN THE BJDW COMMUNITY HERE Today we’re excited to announce the launch of the But Jesus Drink Wine Community, born from the heartfelt requests of our valued listeners highlighting the need for connection with those who are following Jesus/those who are curious about Jesus and those on an alcohol-free journey. This conversation centers around some …
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In today’s episode, we dive headfirst into a fiery discussion surrounding conventional beliefs about alcoholism. We boldly reject the notion that it's a disease, championing instead personal responsibility and an exploratory mindset as the keys to freedom from alcohol. We challenge the widely-held belief that people genuinely enjoy the taste of alc…
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Recently, we were both blessed with opps to attend two different retreats. Meade was a participant in a retreat with her coach, Bob Goff, at The Oaks Center. Christy hosted a retreat for alcohol-free ladies in the Cotswolds. Today’s convo has us reflecting and sharing all the details of both retreat experiences, each with its unique charm and kicks…
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In this heartfelt conversation, Susan Larkin, fellow alcohol and life transformation coach, shares her journey of grappling with alcohol as a Christian woman. The discussion unfolds within the context of her Christian faith, shedding light on the complexities and challenges faced by individuals navigating the freedom from alcohol journey in Christi…
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Today’s episode has us saying no more pussy-footing around a chat about self-care, and has us diving into the common misconceptions of self-care, especially as it relates to the largely secular sober-verse. While the world, online influencers and brilliant marketers have us believing self-care is solely about indulging in luxurious activities and p…
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You probably recognize Millie Mackintosh as a model, a superstar influencer, or one of the beautiful faces from "Made in Chelsea." However, once you engage in a conversation with Millie, it becomes evident that her most cherished role is that of a mum. This heartwarming interview delves deep into Millie's journey to alcohol freedom, delivering a he…
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Today’s episode is part 2 of our powerful conversation with guest Caroline Dooner, a former New Age practitioner and author, who shares her profound journey from the depths of the New Age movement to the embrace of Christianity. She provides a candid exploration of her Catholic upbringing, initial misunderstandings of Jesus, and the allure of the N…
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Join us for this powerful conversation over the next two episodes as our guest Caroline Dooner, a former New Age practitioner and author, shares her profound journey from the depths of the New Age movement to the embrace of Christianity. She provides a candid exploration of her Catholic upbringing, initial misunderstandings of Jesus, and the allure…
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Dear Listener, Have you made it all the way through the Christmas season without alcohol and today – Christmas Day of all days – you are finding yourself entertaining thoughts of mimosas with Christmas brunch? Or maybe you have been mindfully drinking through this season and today you are exhausted and ready to try differently by not drinking, but …
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Today we’re engaging in an open conversation about the pursuit of moderation along the freedom from alcohol journey. From the inherent challenges of moderation to uncovering the underlying fears that often propel the desire for moderation, and the things to consider if moderation is your desire, we cover it all here today. But first, you won’t want…
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In today’s inspiring episode, we’re thrilled to share a heart-to-heart with Brittany Tonkavich, a former client of Christy’s. Her journey isn't just a story of sobriety; it's a raw, deep dive into finding herself amidst the unexpected turns in life. Brittany kicks off with her life's mantra that struck a chord with us: "If it looks like the high li…
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“But what about all the parties?” Today we’re chatting all about the challenging but rewarding world of sober socializing during the festive Christmas season. We had the pleasure of hosting Karolina Rzadkowolska, an alcohol-free empowerment expert and bestselling author of “Euphoric: Ditch Alcohol and Gain a Happier, More Confident You.” Karolina’s…
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In this episode, we are tackling a listener's question about dealing with the shame associated with looking back on past drinking experiences. We reflect on our own regrets from our drinking days and emphasize the importance of revisiting past regrets with curiosity and self-compassion. We both share how our relationship with Jesus transformed thro…
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Have you ever felt like you want to drink and not want to drink at the same time? Have you ever felt like wine is getting in the way of meaningful connections with the Lord, your hub, kids and others? And at the same time you feel like wine is the thing that’s connecting you to your hub, and girlfriends so you can’t imagine actually doing anything …
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Today, we’re chatting about understanding and managing triggers on the path to sobriety. Triggers, those little sparks that push us towards a drink, come in various forms, and today, we're unpacking them one by one. We start with emotional triggers. From feelings of loneliness to grief, we explore how uplifting and challenging emotions can lead us …
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Our friend and guest today, Erik Frederickson, is a fellow Jesus follower, coach and author of the newly-released and incredible book, “Recovering Reality: Freedom from the torment of addiction.” We invited Erik to join us on the pod because he, like us, believes that there is not a one-size-fits-all approach to freeing ourselves from the substance…
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In this profoundly personal and enlightening episode, we welcome Sam, a former client of Christy, who shares her intimate journey with alcohol. Sam's story begins with her college years, where she transitioned from indifference to heavy drinking, trying to find her place in a new environment. Despite facing alcohol-related challenges, she managed t…
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On today’s episode, we're honored to chat with Jenn Kautsch, the inspiring founder of the SoberSis community. Jenn is a pivotal voice in the "Sober Curious" movement and the author of "Look Alive, Sis." Her mission? To forge a judgment-free space where women can reassess their bond with alcohol. Jenn specializes in guiding those stuck in the "gray …
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Today, we dive deep into a story we have heard numerous times from clients: “I drink because I’m bored.” And although we’re talking about boredom, this is not a boring episode. In fact, we couldn’t stop laughing all the way through. We explore the concept of boredom and how idle time can be perceived as a gift, providing an opportunity for reflecti…
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The fear of ‘forever’ when quitting alcohol is a common concern for many when exploring sobriety. And it can be a significant barrier to even daring to look at our relationship to alcohol because of the long-formed belief from traditional quit-drinking spaces that say alcohol must be eliminated forever. But do we have to say forever? And what does …
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On the latest jam of "But Jesus Drank Wine," we're hanging out with the amazing William Porter - the genius behind 'Alcohol Explained' (and its sequel). William has a serious gift for taking all of the sciencey jargon about alcohol and making it relatable and easy to understand. We're diving deep into the nitty-gritty of how booze messes with our m…
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In this episode, we dive into the intimate journey of coping with grief and numbing with alcohol. Christy talks about losing her mother and how breaking free from alcohol became essential to her healing process. We chat candidly about the numbing effects of alcohol, a substance that ultimately trapped Christy in a cycle of unprocessed grief. We tal…
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While travelling through France this summer, we managed to be staying about 30 minutes away from Chateau Canet in the Languedoc region, and I got time to spend sampling some wines and recording an episode with Charlotte Lemstra-Bake. Charlotte comes from a family of winemakers, as both her father and brother also have their own labels within their …
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We love having guests on the pod to share about their quitting drinking journeys and Jolene’s gray-area drinking story last week is powerful. Today’s story, equally powerful but unlike any other story we've shared before, is the second part of our conversation with our friend, functional nutritionist and gray-area drinking coach, Jolene Park. From …
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In this eye-opening episode, we're thrilled to sit down with Jolene Park, a leading authority on Gray Area Drinking. You may recognize her from her groundbreaking TED talk, which has garnered an astounding 400,000 views. Jolene isn't just a functional nutritionist and health coach; she's also a pioneer in helping people rewire their nervous systems…
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Join us for a heartwarming episode where we chat candidly with Meade’s son, Crawford (13) and Christy’s son, Carter (11), about the ripple effects of our decision to live alcohol-free. From their moms having more time to spend with them and how our sobriety has impacted their dads' drinking habits, our boys give us a window into how much kids reall…
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Our guest today, Dan Jablonski, an IT executive at a multinational energy company, joins the hopeful conversation around how freedom from alcohol leads to a life full of peace, joy and purpose. Dan dives into his personal journey to alcohol-free living, which was sparked by a significant life shift. He shares his unique perspective as the lone male…
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Journeying Through the Early Days of Sobriety: Raw Insights from Meade’s Journal Dive with us into this captivating episode, where we unearth the raw, unfiltered thoughts from Meade's journal during her initial alcohol-free days. From the undeniable fatigue prompting extra naps, to unexpected sugar cravings signaling our body's way of compensating,…
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