Best Cro Plus Podcasts (2024)

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Boost Revenue with These Proven Cross-Sell Tactics — Varun Kundra | How Personalization Drives Upsell Success, Why Cross-selling and Upselling Boost AOV, Why Post-purchase Offers Leverage the "Dopamine ... 17:58

9h ago17:58

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In this episode, we dive into strategies for boosting your online store’s average order value (AOV) through effective cross-selling. Joining the conversation is Varun Kundra, Co-founder of AfterSell.com, a Shopify app used by over 20,000 brands for upselling and cross-selling. Varun shares insights on consumer psychology, personalization, and how m…

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How BattlBox Cracked the Short-Form Video Secret for Sales Success — John Roman | Making Short-form Videos for TikTok, Ig, YouTube, AI Tools for Content Creation and Editing, Why a Human Face Sells More ... 30:23

2d ago30:23

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In this episode of the eCommerce Coffee Break podcast, we dive into the world of short-form video content for TikTok, Instagram Reels, and YouTube Shorts. Our guest is John Roman, CEO of BattlBox.com, who shares his journey from B2B sales to e-commerce success. John reveals how BattlBox leveraged video marketing to grow their brand, starting with l…

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#203 CEO Niantic, John Hanke: Buried Ships 1:09:17

1d ago1:09:17

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Guest: John Hanke, CEO of Niantic When Pokémon Go launched, Niantic CEO John Hanke was enjoying a tranquil walk through a bamboo forest near Kyoto with his son. When he got back, it was all hands on deck: Building on a platform Niantic had developed for its previous game, Ingress, Pokémon Go was a runaway success story, earning $100 million dollars…

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Data-Driven Marketing: Insights From Temi Agbede on Scaling eCommerce Brands 23:08

5d ago23:08

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Welcome to another episode of eCommerce Fastlane. Today, we’re excited to have Temi Agbede advisor and a fractional marketing executive at T. Blacksmith Consulting. Temi is an advisor and fractional marketing executive at T. Blacksmith Consulting. She's worked with big names like Estee Lauder, Lord and Taylor, and S'well. Temi shares her journey in…

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Unlocking $12 Trillion Opportunities: Shopify’s Game-Changing B2B Initiatives 35:03

6d ago35:03

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Welcome to another episode of eCommerce Fastlane. Today, we’re excited to have Mani Fazeli, VP of Product at Shopify. In this episode, we'll dive into Shopify's big moves in the B2B world. Mani will walk us through how Shopify has grown its B2B offerings since 2016-2017. We'll learn about the huge $12 trillion opportunity Shopify is tapping into wi…

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What is Outdated in Shopify Marketing and What to Use Instead — Brandon Amoroso | Why Shopify Apps are Crucial, What Influences Tech Stack Choices, Why Fewer Apps Boost Performance, How Retention Strategies ... 26:53

7d ago26:53

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In this episode of the Ecommerce Coffee Break podcast, we explore the Shopify marketing ecosystem with Brandon Amoroso, founder and president of electriq marketing. A Forbes 30 under 30 alum, Brandon shares insights on customer retention, e-commerce tech stacks, and the challenges of selling alcohol online. We discuss streamlining Shopify apps, boo…

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SEO Quick-Wins for Shopify Sites To Get Free Traffic 29:41

7d ago29:41

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Benjamin Gold is a serial eComm entrepreneur, investor and agency-owner and he is here to tell us why SEO could be the secret to unlocking growth in your eComm at a fraction of the cost of paid ads He drops some huge nuggets on the call that you can implement right away on your Shopify Store. - Why SEO is one of the biggest leverage points to bring…

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Struggling With Data Overload? This Fixes Your Ecom Analytics — Outi Karppanen | Winning Data-led Strategies for Ecom Growth, Why Prioritize the Right Data for Ecommerce, Common Marketing Data Mistakes ... 24:03

8d ago24:03

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In this episode of the eCommerce Coffee Break podcast, we dive into winning data strategies for e-commerce growth. Our guest is Outi Karppanen, the lead marketing analytics strategist at Supermetrics.com. Outi shares her expertise on navigating the increasingly complex marketing analytics landscape, discussing how to make smart choices with data, h…

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#202 Chairman of Qualcomm, Mark McLaughlin: The Right Pitch 1:13:24

8d ago1:13:24

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Guest: Mark McLaughlin, chairman of the board at Qualcomm When he was 24, Mark McLaughlin thought his career was over. Since childhood, he had dreamed of attending West Point and joining the Army, but a helicopter crash left him unable to serve, with a medical discharge. However, the crash also let him stay closer to his then-girlfriend Karen. They…

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Where Do Top-performing Shopify Merchants Optimize?- Darin Archer | Why Site Speed is Crucial for Ecommerce Success, What Common Issues Slow Down Ecommerce Sites, What Strategies Boost Shopify Store Speed ... 29:55

13d ago29:55

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In this episode, we explore the critical impact of site speed on Shopify stores. Our guest, Darin Archer, Vice President of Product Strategy at Yottaa.com, shares expert insights on optimizing ecommerce sites for better performance. Learn why speed matters, what slows down your store, and how to boost conversions through improved loading times. Dis…

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Windsor Fashions On Sustainability, AI Innovation, And Customer Loyalty With Freya Seeger 49:47

15d ago49:47

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Welcome to another episode of eCommerce Fastlane. Today, we’re excited to have Freya Seeger, Director, Site Merchandising of Windsor Fashions. In this episode, we’ll explore how to make your online store feel local to international customers. Freya shares tips on using the right currency, language, and duty-free shopping to improve the customer exp…

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Why Most Shopify Stores Fail at Conversion Optimization (And How to Fix It) — Marta Rogach | How Customer Behavior Boosts Conversions, Why Mobile Optimization Matters, Why personalization increases sales ... 22:45

15d ago22:45

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In this episode of the Ecommerce Coffee Break podcast, we explore conversion rate optimization (CRO) with a fresh perspective. Our guest, Marta Rogach, Business Development Lead at Plerdy, introduces an all-in-one tool that provides actionable insights into user behavior on e-commerce websites. Marta explains how Plerdy's solution helps store owner…

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Ecommerce Expert Explains Why Conversions Are So Hard — Yuxin Zhu | The Importance of Conversion Rate Optimization, Consistent Brand Storytelling Strategies, How to use Landing Pages to Build Trust, Landing ... 27:35

15d ago27:35

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On this episode of the Ecommerce Coffee Break Podcast, Yuxin Zhu, CEO and Co-Founder of Replo at replo.app, reveals powerful tips for optimizing your ecommerce website for conversions. Yuxin discusses the importance of user experience, compelling content, A/B testing, and data analytics. He emphasizes the need for clear navigation, fast loading tim…

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#201 CEO Lyft, David Risher: The Ride 1:16:25

15d ago1:16:25

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Guest: David Risher, CEO of Lyft David Risher can measure his career in phone calls, from the one that introduced him to Jeff Bezos in 1995, to the call from the Lyft board in 2023, asking him to vie for the CEO job. But initially, he believed his life’s legacy might be the nonprofit Worldreader, which has brought books to more than 22 million read…

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Ecommerce Summer School: Loyalty Programs a WASTE? Not if You Do THIS! — Hemant Purswani | Why Loyalty Programs Matter Now, How to Promote Your Loyalty Program, Dynamic Points Redemption: A Game-changer ... 22:55

21d ago22:55

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In this episode, we discuss customer retention strategies that are revolutionizing the loyalty and rewards space. Our guest on the show is Hemant Purswani, Co-founder, and CTO at appstle.com. Topics discussed in this episode: Why loyalty programs are crucial for customer retention in times of economic uncertainty How integrating loyalty with subscr…

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TikTok Inspired, Sephora Approved: The Aavrani Hair Care Journey 39:59

22d ago39:59

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Welcome to another episode of eCommerce Fastlane. Today, we’re excited to have Justin Silver, co-founder of Aavrani. Aavrani is a fresh face in the beauty world, mixing modern science with old Indian wisdom to create skin and hair care products. Unlike big brands with celebrity faces, Aavrani is led by its founder and driven by its community. They …

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Ecommerce Summer School: Discounts Killing Your Business? Do This Instead — Fiona Stevens | Why Rewards Beat Discounts, Why Loyalty Programs are more than Points, How To Design Loyalty Programs, What Incentives ... 20:12

21d ago20:12

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In this podcast episode, we dive into strategies to increase the number of returning customers, boost customer lifetime value, and decrease churn rates. We explore why rewards can be more effective than discounts, how loyalty programs offer more than just points, and what alternative incentives work well in loyalty programs. Tune in to learn how to…

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How to bridge offline and online sales with Kait Stephens 30:42

22d ago30:42

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If you sell your products in retail and have been wondering how to connect better with those customers - you are in luck. This week we have Kait Stephens here to talk to us about a new technology that allows you to get those mysteries retail shoppers onto your Klaviyo list, and even better you can also create promos that they can redeem in store, a…

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Ecommerce Summer School: 5 Loyalty Program HACKS to Boost Sales FOREVER! — Dastan Chikeev | Why Merchants make Loyalty Program Mistakes, Common Loyalty Program Pitfalls, Why Creativity sets Loyalty Programs ... 25:00

23d ago25:00

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In this podcast episode of our Ecommerce Summer School, we discuss why Loyalty Programs backfire and how to fix it. Our featured guest on the show is Dastan Chikeev, Content Team Lead at growave.io. Topics discussed in this episode: What factors contribute to a successful loyalty program, including analytics, customization, and active communication…

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#200 CEO and Co-Founder Together AI, Vipul Ved Prakash w/ Bucky Moore: Super Cycle 55:29

22d ago55:29

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Guests: Vipul Ved Prakash, CEO and co-founder of Together AI; and Bucky Moore, partner at Kleiner Perkins No one knows for sure whether the future of AI will be driven more by research labs and AI-native companies, or by enterprises applying the technology to their own data sets. But one thing is for sure, says Together AI CEO and co-founder Vipul …

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23 Years of Digital Marketing Advice For You — Claus Lauter | How to Accelerate Business Growth, How to Overcome Business Challenges, How does Asynchronous Coaching Work, How to Get Actionable Video Feedback ... 10:27

28d ago10:27

10:27

Are you trapped in the 9-to-5 grind, dreaming of a life fueled by passion and purpose? Are you ready to break free from the corporate cage and build a thriving online business? If the idea of creating a sustainable income while living life on your own terms excites you, then this episode is your escape plan. Join us as we dive deep into the challen…

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From Warehouse To Doorstep: The Impact Of Logistics On Brand Success 32:09

29d ago32:09

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Welcome to another episode of eCommerce Fastlane. Today, we’re excited to have Andreas Andrea, the Director of Logistics and Warehouse Operations at Murad. Murad is a well-known skincare brand started by Dr. Howard Murad and is now part of Unilever. Andreas brings a wealth of knowledge to our conversation about e-commerce and delivery operations. H…

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How To Unlock 8-figure Growth: 4 Crucial KPI's Revealed — Leonardo Caracas | How to Tell if a Business can Scale, Why Product-market Fit Matters Before Scaling, How the Repurchase Rate Shows Growth Potential ... 27:57

30d ago27:57

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In this podcast episode, we discuss why growth brings different challenges at various revenue stages and what areas are most affected when scaling an e-commerce company. Our featured guest on the show is Leonardo Caracas, managing partner at jumpventures.co. Topics discussed in this episode: Why product market fit is crucial before scaling: Reviews…

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How to Use AI to Master Paid Media — Drew Smith | Why Paid Media is Hard for Retailers, How to Switch From Manual to AI-driven Campaigns, Google's AI Shift and its Effect on Paid Media, Why Google’s Performance ... 27:41

1M ago27:41

27:41

In this podcast episode, we discuss the challenges that retailers face today with paid media and how you can adopt AI technologies to successfully manage paid media. Our featured guest on the show is Drew Smith, Co-Founder at upp.ai. Topics discussed in this episode: Why retailers face significant challenges in managing paid media campaigns across …

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#199 CEO & Co-Founder Klaviyo, Andrew Bialecki: High Slope 1:00:23

29d ago1:00:23

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Guest: Andrew Bialecki, CEO of Klaviyo Whenever the marketing platform Klaviyo is hiring, says CEO Andrew Bialecki, “we sort of don't care so much what skills you have.” Instead, the company looks for “high slope” individuals who are curious and able to continually learn new things. “A big turnoff for me is [when] somebody says, ‘Oh, well, I was ne…

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Why You Can't Scale with Just Shopify (Do This Instead) — Adam Shaffer | How Shopify and Amazon Work Together in an Ecommerce Strategy, How Amazon's High Traffic Helps Shopify Sellers, How Brands Manage ... 30:55

1M ago30:55

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In this episode, we reveal the ultimate blueprint for doubling your online sales. Discover how savvy entrepreneurs are leveraging the power of Shopify and Amazon to create unstoppable multichannel empires. Our featured guest on the show is Adam Shaffer, President at phelpsunited.com Topics discussed in this episode: Why Shopify and Amazon have beco…

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My Story - How I went from Kiwi Backpacker to 7 Figure Agency Owner 23:00

1M ago23:00

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For the first time ever - a solo episode from me - here to tell you my story of how I got here! From random grad jobs, to lots of travel, and then being forced into entrepreneurship at 7 months pregnant - here is my no-holds-barred story! Want to connect - find all my socials and my newsletter at www.jessiehealy.com…

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Thriving Together With CartStars: The Strength Of Community In Ecommerce And Retail 40:08

1M ago40:08

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Welcome to another episode of eCommerce Fastlane. Today, we have the pleasure of hosting Debbie Pearce, the Founder and CEO of CartStars, an exclusive, invitation-only community tailored for top leaders in ecommerce and retail. In this episode, Debbie shares her inspiring journey to the United States and how her experiences have profoundly influenc…

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CMO Reveals: The Real eCommerce Design Problems Business Owners Face — Jess Holland | Challenges Ecommerce Brands Face with Fast Marketing, Why Simple Design Outperforms Complex Visuals, How to Combine ... 23:01

1M ago23:01

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In this podcast episode, we discuss the eCommerce design problems business owners really face and how to solve these challenges. Our featured guest on the show is Jess Holland, Co-Founder and CMO at cornerstory.io. Topics discussed in this episode: Why simple and minimalist design often outperforms complex or overly creative visuals in e-commerce m…

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#198 CEO and Co-Founder Wayfair, Niraj Shah: Homeward 54:42

1M ago54:42

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Guest: Niraj Shah, CEO and co-founder of Wayfair Wayfair CEO Niraj Shah caught the entrepreneurship bug in his mid-20s, when he and his longtime co-founder Steve Conine sold their first company just a few years out of college. They left the acquirer and independently realized “we absolutely wanted to start something else,” Niraj recalls. “Once you’…

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The 80/20 Rule: Work Less, Earn More (Here's How) — Torsten Lueddecke | Why the 80/20 Rule Drives Business Growth, How to Identify Your Most Productive Activities, Real-world Examples of the 80/20 Rule ... 24:39

1M ago24:39

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In this podcast episode, we explore how the 80/20 rule and fractional marketing can boost your business growth. Our featured guest on the show is Torsten Lueddecke, founder and managing director at meinteaminkapstadt.com. Topics discussed in this episode: Why the 80/20 rule (Pareto Principle) is crucial for business growth and productivity How to i…

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Revolutionizing eCommerce: Inside Bloomreach's AI-Powered Future With Vikas Jha 35:23

1M ago35:23

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Welcome to another episode of eCommerce Fastlane. Today, we’re excited to have Vikas Jha, the Vice President of Engineering for Conversational Commerce at Bloomreach. In this episode of eCommerceFastlane, we dive into the exciting world of AI and how it's changing online shopping. Our guest is Vikas Jha, who leads the conversational commerce team a…

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From Shutdown To Success: Tools For CBD And Regulated Markets 35:51

1M ago35:51

35:51

Welcome to another episode of eCommerce Fastlane. Today, we’re excited to have Bill Glass, the Co-founder of AltruPay. In todays episode, we explore the complex world of payment processing for high-risk industries with Bill Glass, Co-founder of AltruPay. Bill shares his expertise on navigating the challenges faced by businesses in regulated markets…

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From Zero To Millions: BattlBox's Explosive Growth Story With John Roman 59:53

1M ago59:53

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Welcome to another exciting episode of eCommerce Fastlane! I’m thrilled to bring you a conversation that’s packed with insights, challenges, and innovative strategies from the world of e-commerce and outdoor gear. Today, we have a very special guest joining us – John Roman, the Founder and CEO of BattlBox. If you’re not familiar with BattlBox, you’…

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Breaking ERP Barriers: GoodDay OS Delivers Simplicity And Scale For Shopify 31:58

1M ago31:58

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Welcome to another episode of eCommerce Fastlane. Today, we’re excited to have Kyle Hency, the Co-founder, CEO of GoodDay. In this episode, Kyle shares how GoodDay OS is shaking up the ERP world. Unlike traditional systems, GoodDay OS fits right into Shopify’s admin panel. This makes it super easy for business owners to use, without the headaches o…

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How AI Helps Brands Survive in Ecommerce — Valon Xhafa | Why AI-driven Brands Succeed More than Traditional Ones, Why Knowing Customer Behavior is Crucial, How Behavioral Science Impacts E-commerce and ... 34:14

1M ago34:14

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In this podcast episode, we discuss why AI is the key for brands to survive in the future of eCommerce. Our featured guest on the show is Valon Xhafa is the Founder of behamics.com Topics discussed in this episode: Why AI is becoming critical for brands to survive in the increasingly competitive e-commerce landscape How the pandemic changed the e-c…

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#197 CEO, Chairman & Founder Zscaler, Jay Chaudhry: No Attachment 43:17

1M ago43:17

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Guest: Jay Chaudhry, CEO, chairman, and founder of Zscaler Much of the media coverage of Zscaler CEO Jay Chaudhry is quick to identify him as the wealthiest Indian-American person, with a net worth of $10.8 billion. But to hear Jay himself tell it, that number has never been very important to him: “My family had no money,” he says of his childhood …

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Winning On Amazon: Insights from ChannelKey's CEO Dan Brownsher 42:06

2M ago42:06

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Welcome to another episode of eCommerce Fastlane! Today, we’re diving into the exciting world of Amazon selling with a true industry expert. I’m thrilled to introduce our guest, Dan Brownsher, the Founder and CEO of ChannelKey. Dan’s journey is nothing short of inspiring. From his roots in mobile advertising to becoming a top Amazon seller, he’s no…

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CEO Reveals: 5 Simple Steps to Subscription & Loyalty Mastery — Gabriella Tegen | How to Boost Repeat Purchases, Why Simple Loyalty Programs Work Best, Effective Loyalty Rewards and Tiers, Strategies to ... 21:49

2M ago21:49

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In this podcast episode, we explore how to leverage subscriptions and loyalty programs together to boost repeat purchases. Our featured guest on the show is Gabriella Tegen, founder and CEO of Smartrr.com Topics discussed in this episode: Why combining subscriptions and loyalty programs is a powerful strategy for increasing repeat purchases and cus…

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How To Get Your Products Featured in Christmas Gift Guides 23:59

2M ago23:59

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Rosie Davies Smith is back by popular demand to share all the PR secrets on how to get your product into Christmas gift guides this year- Rosie is the founder of PR Dispatch - a PR platform supporting over 350 product-based businesses. In this episode, we discuss about- ◾️How Christmas Gift Guides can grow your eComm store ◾️How early to plan for C…

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Europe Shipping SECRETS: Sell More & Save the Planet — Rolando Casanova | How to Tackle Cross-border Challenges in European Markets, Why Sustainable Logistics Matters, Why Localization is Key in Europe ... 36:01

2M ago36:01

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In this podcast episode, we discuss how to master efficient cross-border e-logistics in Europe and why sustainable logistics is the key to e-commerce success. Our featured guest on the show is Rolando Casanova, Managing Director of Internel.eu Topics discussed in this episode: Why sustainable logistics are crucial for ecommerce success in Europe. H…

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#196 CEO and Co-Founder Braze, Bill Magnuson: Principles of Change 57:12

2M ago57:12

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Guest: Bill Magnuson, CEO and co-founder of Braze The deployment of smartphones around the world was more impactful than any other technology to date, says Braze CEO Bill Magnuson — and that has big implications for emerging fields like generative AI. “If we get to the point where they [LLMs] really can be useful, human-like companions ... they wil…

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Flirt, Date, Marry: Elevate Your Business Valuation With Expert M&A Advice 36:56

2M ago36:56

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Welcome to another episode of eCommerce Fastlane. Today, we're excited to have Emmett Kilduff, The Co-Founder and CEO of The Fortia Group. Emmett brings a wealth of experience and a unique perspective on the art of deal-making in the e-commerce world. He emphasizes the importance of taking a slower, more thoughtful approach to attract potential buy…

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Clearco's Non-Dilutive Funding Powers eCommerce Success Stories Like Adventure Challenge 39:14

2M ago39:14

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Welcome to another episode of eCommerce Fastlane. Today, we have two amazing guests: Andrew Curtis, the CEO of Clearco, and Tim Marinello, the COO of The Adventure Challenge. Clearco is changing the game for ecommerce businesses by giving them new ways to get funding to grow. Andrew explains how Clearco helps all kinds of ecommerce entrepreneurs wi…

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5 Secrets Successful Stores Use to Prevent Chargebacks — Harish Manepalli, Tariq Ahmed | Why Card-not-present Fraud is a Big Problem for Merchants, How Fraudsters use Bots & Fake Identities, How to Balance ... 34:39

2M ago34:39

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In this podcast episode, we discuss why ecommerce fraud prevention solutions reduce chargebacks and how they improve the shopper experience. Our featured guests on the show are Harish Manepalli, Chief Technology Officer and Tariq Ahmed is Managing Director for Canada at zumigo.com. Topics discussed in this episode: Why card-not-present fraud is a b…

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Why Your Online Reputation Can Make Or Break Your Business — Scott Brandley, DJ Sprague | Why Your Reputation is Crucial for Ecommerce, How to Get Customers to Leave Verified Reviews, How New Businesses ... 37:30

2M ago37:30

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In this podcast episode, we talk about why online reputation management is a crucial aspect of building and maintaining a successful ecommerce business. We share how to become the most trusted brand in your space. Our featured guests on the show are Scott Brandley, Founder & CEO, and DJ Sprague, Chief Marketing Officer of ShopperApproved.com. Get y…

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#195 CEO Salesforce AI, Clara Shih: Above the Clouds 45:02

2M ago45:02

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Guest: Clara Shih, CEO of Salesforce AI In 2020, Clara Shih quit Hearsay, the company she founded and ran for 11 years; in hindsight, she says “I probably should have quit a little bit sooner.” But at the time, she cared a lot — too much — about what everyone else thought. “There's a lot of guilt around leaving initially and feeling bad for feeling…

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My AI Podcast Avatar Speaks Spanish Like A Native — Claus Lauter | Thoughts on Too Many Shopify Apps, Current Trends in Ecommerce and Ad Spending, Why Avoid Dropshipping with Alibaba, Benefits of Founder ... 15:32

2M ago15:32

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In this podcast episode, I share an update on the Ecommerce Coffee Break Podcast and what’s in the pipeline for the next months. Topics discussed in this episode: Why creating a Spanish version of the podcast will benefit the Spanish-speaking ecommerce community Thoughts on the overwhelming number of Shopify apps available to merchants The current …

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Stop Losing Money On Ads! Try This Insane AI Hack — Mati Ram | Using First-party Data In Ads, How AI Optimizes Ad Campaigns, Using AI for Better Google And Facebook Ad Results, Importance of Dynamic Segmentation ... 30:40

2M ago30:40

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In this podcast episode, we discuss how to tap into the power of AI to create ads and manage ad campaigns for your online store across multiple channels, all in one place. Our featured guest on the show is Mati Ram, CEO at AdScale.com. Topics discussed in this episode: Why third-party cookies are dying and its impact on Google and Facebook ads How …

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Behind the Cart: AI's Secret Role in Conversational eCommerce — Marshall Cowan | What is Conversational Commerce, How AI is Changing Customer Service, How to Keep AI Interactions Authentic, Why AI Might ... 33:27

2M ago33:27

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In this podcast episode, we discuss AI's Secret Role in Conversational eCommerce. Our featured guest on the show is Marshall Cowan, CEO at Clevertar.com Topics discussed in this episode: What is conversational commerce. How AI is changing DTC customer service. How modern AI enables real two-way conversations. Why traditional e-commerce may be disru…

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