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172: The Apple Car Conundrum with Horace Dediu
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This week on the podcast, we welcome back Horace for the first time in a while, to discuss the recent Mastodon storm on Apple's fabled car efforts and why they may fail, especially in the face of smaller, more modular vehicle solutions. We’ve linked to it below, but as quick context, the overall arc is that cars have a very long development and use…
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Bonus Ep! Horace Dediu in conversation with Drew Smith
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SPECIAL EPISODE. We were so happy with Special Correspondent Drew Smith’s rich and powerful interview with Horace Dediu, we wanted to share an episode featuring their complete conversation. Drew Smith sat down for an hour-plus interview with Horace Dediu, the ‘father’ of micromobility - Horace coined the word! - exploring its origins and future. Al…
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174: Building award-winning e-moped and e-bike subscriptions in Sweden: Rickard Bröms of Vässla
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This week Oliver interviews Rickard Bröms from Sweden, who is the founder of Vässla, who won the Rider Choice Award at the recent 2023 Micromobility Riders Awards for best subscription company. We’ve been following along with what they’ve been doing for a while and really love the new pedal Ebike that they are bringing out, along with the standard …
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173: The U.S politics of micromobility with Matt Yglesias and Julia Thayne DeMordaunt
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This week we are releasing another talk from our recent Micromobility World - this one with Matthew Yglesias, pioneering political blogger and self-described "ebike dad," on why electric bikes and other small vehicles offer a compelling alternative to the solve the urban mobility dilemma. Matt has a wealth of knowledge about the interplay of politi…
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The Next Billion Cars - Micromobility, and the ‘Rest of World’
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What is ‘micromobility’? It’s a philosophy that emphasises choice and urban-centered design in our transportation networks and transport options. Drew Smith speaks with Horace Dediu, the ‘father’ of micromobility, about its origins, his critique of the new generation of EV companies, and the way things must change in order to provide a transport fu…
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171: Building the most popular ebike in America - The crazy story of Lectric Ebikes with founder Levi Conlow (also - launch of their XPedition cargo bike!)
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This week Oliver interviews Levi Conlow who is the founder of Lectric Ebikes. This really is one of the most incredible stories of Micromobility in the last few years. Back in 2019 when they were just starting out, they started with an Ebike that they struggled to sell and no-one wanted to buy. Last year they had the most popular model of a bike in…
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170: Talking micro EV’s with Gabe Klein, head of the US Joint Office of Energy and Transportation
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This week we are releasing another episode from the Micromobility world catalogue – this one is a conversation between Gabe Klein, the first person to head the newly formed Joint Office of Energy and Transportation, and Julia Thayne, our Micromobility world Cohost. Gabes' job is to break down barriers to electrifying transportation. We’ve had him o…
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The Next Billion Cars - Hydrogen Vehicles: Liquid Dreams
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Long-promised as the ‘fuel of the future’, hydrogen fails to live up to its hype. Co-host Sally Dominguez looks at the the future for big hydrogen-powered vehicles, speaking with Brendan Norman of Australian hydrogen vehicle startup H2X. Mark speaks to Romesh Rodrigo at Daimler Trucks Australia about the future of ‘liquid’ hydrogen - a fuel that ne…
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169: What Tech has got right and wrong about mobility with Kara Swisher, Horace Dediu and Julia Thayne
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This week, we are releasing one of the talks that we had at the recent Micromobility World event early this year . A discussion between Horace, Julia Thayne, one of our co hosts and the famed journalist Kara Swisher, this was a particularly energising section, and we hope you enjoy it as much as we did! Specifically they tackle: - The intersection …
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The Next Billion Cars: Electric Vehicles - Looking for a Charge
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The number of electric cars in Australia doubled in 2022 - yet it remains nearly impossible to buy the model you want, and the nation’s public charging infrastructure remains on the drawing board. Big things will need to change, quickly. Co-hosts Sally Dominguez and Drew Smith dive into the systemic changes needed to get these ‘batteries-with-wheel…
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168: The story of the distinctive E-bike - Super73 with founder LeGrand Crewse
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This week we're releasing another interview from Oliver's tour of micromobility companies in Southern California. This episode is with LeGrand Crewse, founder of Super73, on the growth of his very distinctive brand. Ever since Oliver first saw the first image of the electrified mini taco bike, he thought that Super73 were on to something - they cle…
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The Next Billion Cars: The Future of Autonomous Vehicles - Learning to Crawl
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The Next Billion Cars Mini-Series is BACK for another mini series. In this episode about the future of Autonomous Vehicles, Mark Pesce with co-hosts Sally Dominguez and Drew Smith explore what the future holds for the car industry and how we move. In the first episode, Mark and guests explore the future of autonomous vehicles. It all started in 201…
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167: ‘Etility’ - what electric bikes offer with Benno Baenziger, the founder of Benno Bikes
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This week we're excited to bring you an interview from Oliver's recent tour of Southern California ahead of our Micromobility World online event. Oliver flew up from NZ to be with James, Julia and the team to produce the event but while he was there also took the chance to visit a whole heap of companies working in micromobility, either as vehicle …
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166: Ryvid - an electric motorbikes for the masses - with founder Dong Tran
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This week, Oliver interviews Dong Tran, founder of Ryvid, who make electric motorbikes in California. We’ve not covered heaps of motorbikes on the show so far, but that’s changing and we will have a bunch more next year. There’s a few really interesting things about Ryvid... Firstly, they’ve got a pretty unique new metal folding technique for frame…
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165: The marketplace for mobility - the largest shared mobility aggregator app in Europe with Robin Eriksson from Cogo App
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This week Oliver interviews Robin Eriksson from Cogo app which is the largest shared micromobility aggregator in Europe. Horace and Oliver have long had a theory that the world of micromobility will mature to be more like the public transport or airline industry over time. So it’s no surprise to us to see the rise of Cogo, which allows for discover…
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164: What is Micromobility and why does it matter (2022 edition) Rerelease
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As we tick over from 2022 to 2023 we wanted to reshare our most popular episode from 2022. Our recent Spotify Wrapped and general analytics we get from our podcast platform gave us a few really cool stats about the podcast. We’re in the top 5% of followed and shared podcasts shared globally, with listeners from 61 countries and the majority of you …
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163: The crazy story of self balancing enclosed motorbikes and their potential for micromobility - Danny Kim from Lit Motors
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This week Oliver interviews Danny Kim from Lit Motors. Danny is an OG of the micromobility space. He was thinking about the impact of electric and what it’d enable in vehicle architectures well before pretty much anybody else, evidenced by both the Kubo and their C1. The C1 is an enclosed gyro balanced electric motorbike that in our view has amazin…
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162: A true smartphone on wheels? What happens when you think of bikes as computers with David Hansen of Weel.
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This week Oliver interviews David Hansen from Weel Bike based in Seattle. Oliver has known David since the early days of Micromobility Industries, and indeed, Weel was one of the companies that the Microbility VC syndicate invested in back in 2019 when we were running it, so full disclosure, Oliver does have some skin in the game. We love what they…
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161: Building premium utility ebikes for families and more with Tern Team Captain Josh Hon
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This week Oliver got to interview Josh Hon from Tern bikes. If you’ve not come across the Tern brand before, they’re now a mid-size bike company, but have really found a strong niche providing high quality utility bikes like their best selling mid-drive short tail compact cargo bike the GSD. Tern is different from a lot of the other micromobility c…
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160: The RAD world of Micromobility with Mike Radenbaugh, founder of Rad Power Bikes
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This week Oliver interviews Mike Radenbaugh from RAD Power Bikes. RAD is the largest maker of the bikes in the US and this is a conversation we have wanted to have for a really long time. They discuss the new bike that they have just unveiled (skip ahead to around minute 13 if you want to know more about that!) They've been so excited to let you kn…
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159: How Micromobility wins last mile package delivery with HIVED founder Murvah Iqbal
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This Week Oliver interviews Murvah Iqbal from HIVED. Every so often we come across entrepreneurs where we come away thinking that they’re going to own a segment in a way that the incumbents are going to struggle to respond to. Murvah is one of those. We loved this interview. We got into the backstory for HIVED, what they’re building and why micro i…
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158: 5 Billion Riders - Why Horace Dediu thinks micro will be the biggest transport story of the next 20 years.
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This week Oliver interviews Horace about the talk he did at Micromobility America on the Total Addressable Market for micromobility, and the opportunity of the space. This should really be listened to in context of the 5 Billion Riders talk that Horace gave at the conference, which is now on Youtube. Here, we dig into Horace’s thought pattern and t…
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157: The biggest ecargo bike consumer subscription business in the world - Ben and Dan Carr from Lug and Carrie
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Ever since Oliver interviewed Karianne from Whee! earlier in the year, we’ve been excited to find more companies doing ebike subscription services to families. As Karianne says, there is a lot of money to be made by taking women and families seriously. So it was awesome to more recently discover the team at Lug and Carrie, based in Australia, who a…
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156: The inexorable rise of Micromobility in Kenya and West Africa - the story of Roam Motors with Albin Wilson
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This week Oliver speaks with Albin Wilson from Roam Motors, who are building a electric motorbike manufacturer and battery stack out of Kenya. Oliver was particularly struck when talking to Albin about the size of the opportunity and how conforming to the theory of micromobility what they’re doing is. We have long thought that the market for Microm…
Work futurist Dom Price and resilience expert Sally Dominguez guide us through a new world of work, post-pandemic. Mark speaks with two leaders at the coalface, Julie Watkins, Chief People Officer of Uni Super, and Dr Rajkuma Buyya, Director of the Cloud Computing and Distributed Systems (CLOUDS) Laboratory, and a Redmond Barry Distinguished Profes…
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155: Stilride's Metal Origami - The significance of new bike production methods with founder Jonas Nyvang
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This week Oliver interviews Jonas Nyvang, CEO and founder of Stilride, who are building a very novel electric motorbike out of Sweden. We are always VERY interested in how micromobility will create and enable new production techniques for lightweight electric vehicles, and we think that what Stilride have built might offer something very interestin…
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Will the next war be fought for control of semiconductors (Rebroadcast)
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TSMC now makes the best computer chips - making Taiwan a prize that China needs in order to continue its rise as an economic and military superpower. Rebroadcast from June 7, 2021. The 2023 season of The Next Billion Cars is proudly made possible by our sponsors GIO Insurance and BMW. GIO has spent nearly 100 years continually developing our produc…
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154: Investing in B2B SaaS for micromobility - Sam Baker at Mobility Fund
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This week Oliver interviewed Sam Baker from Mobility Fund. We’ve had Sam on before, on episode 50, when he was still at Wunder Mobility, but since then, he’s headed off and is doing his own fund specifically focused on micromobility B2B businesses. He’s been a real advocate for the space and it was great to reconnect at Micromobility America and to…
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153: The Mega (and Profitable!) Micromobility Market of South Korea - the story of Swing with founder San Kim
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This week Oliver interviews San Kim, founder and CEO of Swing Scooters, the largest shared micromobility operator in South Korea. South Korea is one of the worlds biggest shared micro markets and also one of the most underreported. This interview lifts the lid on the growth of the space and why the unique regulatory environment, high incomes, dense…
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A Brief History of the Metaverse: VIRTUALLY EVERYONE
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In the 2010s, VR roared back into life with Oculus, Vive, WebGL and Hololens. Minecraft, Roblox and Fortnite gave millions a deep drink of the potential of the Metaverse. Facebook - renamed Meta - bet the house on the Metaverse. Where is the Metaverse headed? We hear insights from forty years of experts. For more information about this and all our …
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152: Introducing Ride Review - the premier vehicle ratings source - with James Gross of Micromobility Industries
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This week Oliver interviews James Gross, one of the co-founders of Micromobility Industries (which host this very podcast and the conference) to talk about the launch of Ride Review, the new source of reviews and ratings for all vehicles in the micromobility universe, from Onewheels to escooters/bikes, to golf carts and pods. As this space undergoe…
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A Brief History of the Metaverse: Game On! And on and on and on...
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In the early 2000s, the Metaverse blossomed into the foundation for a new generation of video games such as 'Ultima Online', and big data 'digital twins' like Google Earth. It's "Game On!" for Tony and Mark - and on and on and on and on... Featuring Raph Koster, Philip Rosedale, Ken Birdwell, Amy Jo Kim, Avi Bar-Zeev, Clay Graham and Justin Liang. …
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151: The Life of Lime - A conversation with Wayne Ting, CEO of Lime
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This week we release another session from Micromobility America – this one is the interview with Wayne Ting, CEO of Lime being interviewed by Julia Thayne Demourdaunt. Wayne was impassioned and his call more recognition of Micromobility and the role that it can play in our transport systems. Being in the audience It was electric to watch. We hope y…
In this episode we speak with Horace Dediu, the co-founder of Micromobility Industries and one of the earliest and most influential voices in the world of micromobility. A longtime Apple analyst, his insights into the adoption curve of products like the iPhone informed how he began to look at consumer interest in e-bikes and, later, e-scooters. Loo…
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A Brief History of the Metaverse: Days of our Second Lives
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In the second half of the 1990s, VRML became the platform of choice for 'virtual worlds' filled with 'avatars' - digital representations of real people. The Web goes big - and stays big - yet VRML crashes back to Earth, as Second Life becomes the last best hope for the Metaverse. Featuring Neal Stephenson, David Frerichs, John McCrea, Jan Mallis, B…
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150: Money for micromobility - the latest VC panel from MM America.
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This week we release a talk from our recent Micromobility America conference that we hosted in the Bay Area in mid September - this was one of the most popular panels of the event - the ‘Raising Money in Micromobility for Software VC’ panel that was run by our conference cohost, Julia Thayne Demourdant and featured a slew of the top mobility invest…
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A Brief History of the Metaverse: DIY Metaverse
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Tony and Mark - supported by a global community of technologists, enthusiasts and dreamers - brought 3D to the brand-new Web with VRML, creating the foundations for the “DIY Metaverse”. Featuring Owen Rowley, Linda Jacobson, John McCrea, Coco Conn and Neal Stephenson. Read the interview with Jaron Lanier in MONDO 2000 issue 2 that changed Mark’s li…
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A Brief History of the Metaverse: Military Metaverse
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The technology behind the metaverse has its origins in the darkest days of the Cold War. This ‘Military metaverse’ gave birth to the Internet, transforming warfare - and, a generation later, online gaming. Featuring Michael Zyda. JCR Licklider – “Lick” to his friends and colleagues – is little-known but absolutely an essential figure in the develop…
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149: Building profitable shared Micromobility in the emerging world - With Alper Oktem of Marti
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This week Oliver interviews Alper Oktem, CEO and founder of Marti, which as far as we can tell, is the largest Micromobility operator in Turkey. Oliver has long wanted to cover the Turkish Micromobility market, because it is such a large country, and they are proportionately so underserved. Turkey is proportionately underserved with transport optio…
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A Brief History of the Metaverse: What is the Metaverse?
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Welcome to the first episode of our new series, "A Brief History of the Metaverse". Mark and co-host Tony Parisi travel back more than a century to uncover the roots of the Metaverse. From pioneers Chip Morningstar and Randy Farmer, creators of "Habitat", the first massively multiplayer online environment, we learn the Metaverse has never been abou…
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Audiocast 06: can EVs scale(?!), battery sponges & urban trends
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During episode 6 of the Audiocast series we cover: 🚧 What if EVs can’t scale? 🧽 Battery sponges & 💧 Lens of scarcity 🏘️ Urban trends Visit us at red.blue and dig deeper at news.red.blueBy Prescott Watson, Olaf Sakkers
This episode we speak with Lior Steinberg, an urban planner and co-founder of Humankind, an urban planning firm based in Rotterdam. Lior and his team work with local governments on refactoring urban space through projects like dedicated micromobility lanes and increased green space - all through the lens of making cities more “people-centric.” In o…
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148: Talking Cities, Tranformation and Micromobility with Rocky Mountain Institute's Julia Thayne Demordaunt
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This week Oliver interviews Julia Thayne Demordaunt, Principal of Urban Transformation at the Rocky Mountain Institute. Oliver is a massive fan of RMI - they’ve been advocated for market based climate solutions for years and have some of the most in depth research on the pathways required to help us meet our climate goals. Julia is leading the rese…
A clever bit of AI software transforms my voice into a silky-smooth 'Lisa' - almost an archetypal radio host. In the near future, we'll be able to make ourselves sound - and look - like anyone else. How will we know if we're being fooled? To find out more about Lisa (sorry, Mark) and this show, check out https://nextbillionseconds.com If you enjoye…
With our new series 'A Brief History of the Metaverse' just around the corner here on The Next Billion Seconds, we thought we would share Mark's recent appearance on The Futurists podcast where some very relevant things are discussed! "Award-winning author and technologist Mark Pesce tells us about the deep history of today’s consumer technology in…
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147: Not Just Bikes: Why Many Cities Suck (But Dutch Cities Don't) With Jason Slaughter
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This week we share another interview from Micromobility Europe - This time it is the timeless interview of Jason Slaughter, creator of the largest urban planning YouTube Channel - Not Just Bikes being interviewed by Julia Thayne DeMourdant from the Rocky Mountain Institute, about why many cities suck, but Dutch cities don’t. Our host Oliver has oft…
In this live interview with Oculus and Anduril founder Palmer Luckey - joined by Anduril Chief Engineer Shane Arnott - we look at the future of defense, geopolitics, and Australia's future in a transformed Indo-Pacific region. Have we shifted toward a defense-driven future? For more information about this and all our other Next Billion Seconds cont…
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146: A micromobility performing car - Marcus Li from Eli
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This week Oliver is joined by Marcus Li the founder of Eli who are building a lightweight electric vehicle similar to a Smart car but a bit smaller and selling into the European and American markets. This is possibly one of the most interesting interviews Oliver has done with an early stage founder of a hardware company – They get really into the n…
Three big transformations - one that's has already happened, one happening now, and one about to happen - illuminate the path (and pitfalls) for those anyone who wants to articulate the future. Listen and learn how to be your own futurist! For more information about this and all our other Next Billion Seconds content, please check out https://nextb…
In our second episode of the Expert series, RedBlue speaks with Brad Templeton, Chairman Emeritus of the EFF, the leading foundation protecting liberties and privacy in cyberspace. Brad was the founder and software architect of ClariNet Communications Corp., the world's first ever ".com" company. In the nineties, Brad became fascinated by self-driv…