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Against the Grain is your key to the latest news about libraries, publishers, book jobbers, and subscription agents. Our goal is to link publishers, vendors, and librarians by reporting on the issues, literature, and people that impact the world of books and journals.
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Podcast Town is a collective of podcasts by legendary hosts Chris & Rob ranging from Step by Stapp (where Chris & Rob posit that all Creed songs were influenced by episodes of Step by Step), Podcast Town (where Chris & Rob play unknown and totally not fake podcasts they found), Chris & Rob Talk About 90s Cars (where Chris & Rob talk about 90s Cars), and Chris & Rob Talk About Gumby (where Chris & Rob talk about Gumby). Enjoy new episodes every other Friday. - Chris & Rob
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Damn Good Interior Designer

Cheryl Kees Clendenon and Liz Lapan

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Join Cheryl Kees Clendenon and Liz Lapan, the dynamic duo behind the visionary and integrator balancing all the moving parts of a full service interior design firm in their no-nonsense and thought-provoking podcast, the Damn Good Designer. Each episode is full of damn good truths and real talk as they share invaluable insights on how to run and build a successful business while challenging the norms, the industry, each other and YOU. Emphasizing a business-savvy approach, Cheryl and Liz take ...
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Today we’re featuring Audio from Day One, Part Two of the 2023 Charleston In Between. In this session, we’ll discuss publishing integrity from the librarian perspective, the role that institutions and libraries have in publishing integrity as well as the papermill crises and why it is happening and what is being done to fix it. This session is pres…
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The legal aspects of a business are super important to me as a business owner. We will always face project delays, especially in the last couple years, and we must be thinking about how we can protect ourselves. In my world, clients have to recognize the delays in executing are unrelated to our performance and we must get new bids/pricing or get th…
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Producer Diaries Podcast | Episode #24. Jay Cactus, Ocean, and LLB join forces to bring you a brand-new weekly podcast where we talk about music production, content creation, life, and current events. In this episode, we discuss about Barcelona and the positive experiences we have had there. We discuss the ease of travel, the city's amenities, and …
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Have you ever stopped to think where your time is spent vs your energy output? The truth is we could be sabotaging ourselves and our capacity to work if we are not managing our energy. We all have relentless demands and unexpected challenges we deal with on the daily and we all tend to slip into negative emotions—the fight-or-flight mode—often mult…
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Audio from Day One of the 2023 Charleston In Between Today we’re featuring Audio from Day One of the 2023 Charleston In Between. In this session, we’ll discuss why integrity in research and publishing matters, and Institutions, libraries and their roles in research integrity. Also, how to define integrity standards in publishing with integrity. Thi…
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Producer Diaries Podcast | Episode #23. Jay Cactus, Ocean, and LLB join forces to bring you a brand-new weekly podcast where we talk about music production, content creation, life, and current events. In this episode, we discuss our recent activities and projects. We talk about upcoming trips, work on music bundles and drum kits, and the challenges…
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Cheryl is passionate about what she does and loves seeing other small business owners and creative entrepreneurs succeed. We often get to hear success stories and want to be able to share this with others while also focusing on the unique market, business and experience other designers have around the country. This week we are starting a "DESIGNER …
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Producer Diaries Podcast | Episode #22. Jay Cactus, Ocean, and LLB join forces to bring you a brand-new weekly podcast where we talk about music production, content creation, life, and current events. In this episode, we discuss our recent activities, experiences at Splice Studios, the growth of our YouTube channels, the impact of self-development …
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This episode was brought to you on schedule despite the best efforts of would-be saboteurs who did not want you to hear what we have to say. Though the recording session encountered a series of obstacles, we were not silenced. We persevered, and we are here today to tell you about the episode of Step by Step where Cody gets shocked every time he sa…
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Producer Diaries Podcast | Episode #21. Jay Cactus, Ocean, and LLB join forces to bring you a brand-new weekly podcast where we talk about music production, content creation, life, and current events. In this episode, we discuss Diddy's documentary, and allegations against him. We discuss the potential impact of Diddy's documentary and the involvem…
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Today’s episode features a guest host, Michael Upshall, Community and Outreach Manager at Core, who talks with Euan Adie, founder of Altmetrics and Overton. Euan is originally from Aberdeen, Scotland. He studied computer science at Edinburgh University. Euan talks about his background and early career working in the field of medical genetics and bi…
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We are hitting a hot button this week and it is definitely too juicy for public consumption. Charging hourly is dead - yes, we said it. We are seeing too many coaches out there appealing to the low hanging fruit, NOT BELIEVING IN YOU or thinking you can handle flat fee pricing. We are here to tell you, you can! We are here to help you shift your mi…
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Producer Diaries Podcast | Episode #20 Jay Cactus, Ocean, and LLB join forces to bring you a brand-new weekly podcast where we talk about music production, content creation, life, and current events. In this episode, we discuss various topics related to music production and the industry. We talk about the new Logic Pro 11. We also discuss the use o…
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Today we welcome special guest Bruce to discuss his first car: a'97 Ford Explorer XLT. Hear all about his infamous subwoofer, a near accident involving rotten fruit, and his favorite Long Island landmarks such as The Cheesecake Factory. Then buckle up for another exciting round of Kelly Blue Book Bingo as we try and guess what the 97 Explorer would…
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We're trying something new this week and Cheryl is in the hot seat while Liz interviews her about her process for initial consultations, also known as "The Cheryl Show." Cheryl goal is simply to get to know the potential clients and see if her firm can help them. She doesn't worry about being overly prepared for these meetings because they are orga…
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Producer Diaries Podcast | Episode #19. Jay Cactus, Ocean, and LLB join forces to bring you a brand-new weekly podcast where we talk about music production, content creation, life, and current events. In this episode of the podcast, we discuss our upcoming plans and recent experiences. We talk about Jay Cactus' trip to Rome and his interest in visi…
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In this episode, we discuss the significance of project pricing and minimum spend requirements for achieving profitability in your design firm. But what exactly do these terms mean, and how can you integrate them into your design business? Today, they will discuss the strategy of implementing this business model and explain why this can be a major …
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Today’s episode features a guest host, Michael Upshall, Community and Outreach Manager at Core, who talks with Bianca Kramer, Advisor, Analyst and workshop facilitator at SesameOpenScience. Bianca shares her transition from scientist to librarian, driven by a desire for broader interests and family time. She found a balance by working in a universi…
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Producer Diaries Podcast | Episode #18. Jay Cactus, Ocean, and LLB join forces to bring you a brand-new weekly podcast where we talk about music production, content creation, life, and current events. This episode revolves around the recent diss tracks released by Kendrick Lamar and Drake. We discuss the order in which the tracks were released and …
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Are your clients dragging their feet, hemming and hawing after the presentation and maybe even ghosting you--what do you do? In this episode we discuss five considerations when a client is not making decisions and how to handle them. Designers need to ask themselves certain questions to help determine exactly where the problem lies and if the indec…
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Producer Diaries Podcast | Episode #17. Jay Cactus, Ocean, and LLB join forces to bring you a brand-new weekly podcast where we talk about music production, content creation, life, and current events. The conversation covers various topics including music production, email marketing, and recent rap beefs. We discuss the challenges of mixing live dr…
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Audio from the 2023 Charleston Conference from the Thursday Keynote presented by James Daunt, CEO, Barnes & Noble. Today we’re featuring Audio from the 2023 Charleston Conference from the Thursday Keynote presented by James Daunt, Chief Executive Officer of Barnes & Noble, the world’s largest retail bookseller, of stationery and gift retailer Paper…
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What exactly is a visual scope of work? Cheryl and Liz discuss how theirs has become a game changer not only for In Detail but many other designers Cheryl has coached over the years. In this episode they dive into strategies for creating a successful scope of work and how it can be a powerful marketing tool for your business, how useful they are in…
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Producer Diaries Podcast | Episode #16. Jay Cactus, Ocean, and LLB join forces to bring you a brand-new weekly podcast where we talk about music production, content creation, life, and current events. This episode covers topics such as the restrictions on social media in China, the impact of technology on memory, and tips for networking and marketi…
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How can you be team player without giving up your own rights? Working with contractors can be a tricky relationship when they want you to stay in your lane--BUT it doesn't have to be. Creating a team approach with positioning in your marketing, the copy that you use, the verbiage that you talk about, and how you talk about it with other people, all…
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Producer Diaries Podcast | Episode #15. Jay Cactus, Ocean, and LLB join forces to bring you a brand-new weekly podcast where we talk about music production, content creation, life, and current events. This episode starts with birthday wishes for LLB, who turns 21, then shifts to the topic of extreme activities like skydiving and bungee jumping, wit…
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Audio recorded at the 2023 Charleston Conference from the 14th annual "Long Arm of the Law” session. This session was presented by Kyle K. Courtney, Director of Copyright & Information Policy, Harvard University and Michelle Wu, Retired Associate Dean of Library Services, Director of Law Library, and Professor of Law, (retired) and moderated by Ann…
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Our firm, In Detail Interiors, gets a lot of leads and I am grateful for every single one of them. However, that doesn't mean we take on every job of every size and every type--and neither can you. You must have guidelines (NOT A SCRIPT) on how you determine what will work for your set up of your firm, your bandwidth and your resource capacity. Lea…
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Producer Diaries Podcast | Episode #14. Jay Cactus, Ocean, and LLB join forces to bring you a brand-new weekly podcast where we talk about music production, content creation, life, and current events. In this episode, we discuss the importance of being present on multiple social media platforms and the need to adapt to changing trends. We share our…
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Today we welcome another guest who has some Gumby thoughts to get off his chest on Chris & Rob Talk About Gumby. His name is also Chris and he's got ideas on everything from Gumby's voice to the color of Gumby's car to how much it costs to book Bubba Sparxxx for a private event. But does this Chris actually know shit about Gumby? Or is he implantin…
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Producer Diaries Podcast | Episode #13. Jay Cactus, Ocean, and LLB join forces to bring you a brand-new weekly podcast where we talk about music production, content creation, life, and current events. In this episode, we discuss our experiences with waking up early, the differences in daylight hours between countries, and our excitement for summer.…
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Going to High Point Market and learning about what you sell is the BEST investment you can make for your business! After 29 markets Cheryl had the honor of talking with Tammy Nagem, CEO of High Point Market authority, to tell you why market is still one of the best business investments you can make. Learn how Tammy and her team help optimize the ex…
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This conversation covers various topics including the importance of routine, the enjoyment of coffee, and the excitement of rap beef. We discuss their daily routines and how coffee plays a role in starting our day. We also express our love for rap beef and how it brings out the best in rappers. We mention the recent beef between Kendrick Lamar and …
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In today’s episode, Matthew Ismail, a Conference Director and Editor in Chief of the Charleston Briefings, talks with Jay Patel, Head of Sales and Business Development for the Americas, Cactus Communications. Jay says he first learned how to sell in a tough environment by selling printers and copiers door to door. Then, he worked in the publishing …
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In the way of the word today you need to be able to stay competitive and take into consideration allowing clients to use credit cards. Cheryl and Liz discuss the importance of this for anyone who sell products if you want to grow. Are you analyzing your costs effectively with the cost of doing business? You should be--here we deep dive into the cos…
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Producer Diaries Podcast | Episode #11. Jay Cactus, Ocean, and LLB join forces to bring you a brand-new weekly podcast where we talk about music production, content creation, life, and current events. In this episode, We discuss various topics related to podcasting, supplements, and producer equipment. We talk about the different ways people consum…
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In today’s episode, Matthew Ismail, a Conference Director and Editor in Chief of the Charleston Briefings, talks with Jignesh Bhate, Founder and CEO, Molecular Connections. Matthew and Jignesh talk about his background which began in journalism and accounting and how he came to found Molecular Connections over 20 years ago. Jignesh says the mission…
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Producer Diaries Podcast | Episode #10. Jay Cactus, Ocean, and LLB join forces to bring you a brand-new weekly podcast where we talk about music production, content creation, life, and current events. In this episode, we discuss various topics, including our interest in Muay Thai, the intensity of boxing and kickboxing, rigged Muay Thai fights, the…
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Audio from the 2023 Charleston Conference Leadership Interview Series. Meg White, Senior Consultant, Delta Think, and a Director of the Charleston Conference, interviews Steve Fallon, President, De Gruyter. Meg and Steve talk about his new role as President of De Gruyter, and what he sees as the organization’s biggest challenges but also opportunit…
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We’re here to learn more about Gumby on episode 4 of the podcast that is sweeping the nation: Chris & Rob Talk About Gumby. Today we welcome Jimmy to the show, who believes he can refute at least 3 facts we think we’ve learned so far. But does Jimmy really know Gumby? Or is it just more fake news?By Chris & Rob
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Successful businesses, do not operate on a basis of having to trick people--so why are businesses doing this? Fear. We have to consider where we are as an industry if we are so fearful of clients finding something out about the names of our vendors or comparison shopping. Interior design is about creativity, expertise, and creating unique spaces th…
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Producer Diaries Podcast | Episode #9. Jay Cactus, Ocean, and LLB join forces to bring you a brand-new weekly podcast where we talk about music production, content creation, life, and current events. In this episode, MNKN joins us to talk sync placements, setting up studios, the challenges of incorporating synths into our workflow, and the importan…
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Cheryl and Liz are exploring five key roadblocks to bringing a new client on board and signing that contract. By showing your expertise to the client earlier than later, you remove many difficulties from the sale itself and you set yourself up for being able to deliver your best work. You cannot rely on the lead to peruse every detail of your websi…
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Audio from the 2023 Charleston Conference Leadership Interview Series. Meg White, Senior Consultant, Delta Think, and a Director of the Charleston Conference, interviews Judy Verses, President, Academic and Government Markets, Elsevier. Meg and Judy talk about Judy’s diverse background and how she came into the scholarly publishing industry and her…
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Producer Diaries Podcast | Episode #8 Jay Cactus, Ocean and LLB join forces to bring you a brand-new weekly podcast where we talk about music production, content creation, life, and current events. In this episode, Ellis Lost discusses his experience balancing multiple projects, including YouTube, placements, and collaborations. He shares the chall…
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