This is the Butterfly Podcast from the Butterfly Foundation, your national voice for people living with body image issues and eating disorders.
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Host Sam Ikin spent 20 years in corporate newsrooms and knows how the sausage is made and he does not want to eat it. He doesn't think you should either. So let’s dissect some news and see what rubbish we can find.
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Peer worker Reece on how your own experience can be the key to recovery for others
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The concept of including peers in your treatment team, that is people who have recovered from a similar health experience to yours, is not new in healthcare. Alcoholics Anonymous, for example, has successfully engaged the support of recovered people—called sponsors—since the 1930s. And, today, peer support is widely seen as a vital part of an eatin…
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In Depth: Dr Carly Roukos on life at Wandi Nerida residential treatment centre
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Improvements in quality of life and reduced healthcare costs are just some of the benefits uncovered in a Monash University study of Australia’s only residential treatment program for people struggling with eating disorders. Wandi Nerida, based on Queensland’s Sunshine Coast, provides a unique model of holistic, person-centred, inpatient care. As t…
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In Depth: Butterfly's head of research and policy on the new community insights report
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Please note: This episode was briefly published prematurely on the 4th of April. If you listened to it then we apologise for the repeat. If you’ve ever wondered what the public in Australia knows and thinks about eating disorders and body image issues, this episode will put all your questions to rest. We unpack the latest findings from Butterfly's …
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Ouch: The eye-popping costs of an eating disorder
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We often talk about the psycho-emotional costs of eating disorders for those living with them; but up to this point, we haven’t learned much about the costs to society. Now we know. Since 2012, there’s been a shocking 36 per cent increase in the economic burden of eating disorders to the people of Australia. In the meantime, 1.1 million people in t…
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Introducing the podcast I've been working on quietly for the past year or so, The World's End with Sam Ikin. Follow the audio podcast on this platform by searching The World's End with Sam Ikin or find your preferred link here https://tr.ee/awQRiRqtX_ You can also follow the show on: YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@the-worlds-end Rumble https://ru…
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If you've experienced trauma you could be at risk for an eating disorder
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We should let you know that this episode discusses sexual abuse and comes with a trigger warning. It's about trauma, which is an individual’s response to an event or series of events that have deeply disturbed their sense of safety, security, or well-being. While research shows a clear intersection between trauma or post-traumatic stress disorder (…
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In Depth with Harvard’s change maker Professor S. Bryn Austin
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This month we’re talking to a distinguished social epidemiologist and behavioural scientist at the Harvard Chan School of Public Health. Her name is Professor Bryn Austin, and her research focuses on public health approaches to eating disorders. Our conversation begins with an overview of the web that connects consumer culture, corporate exploitati…
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Under-diagnosed and poorly treated: Eating disorders in larger bodies
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We’re talking about the higher-weight paradox, particularly when well-meaning health professionals can trigger an eating disorder or make one worse. Not everything health issue is solved by losing weight, yet that is what people in larger bodies too often hear. Worse, numerous people living with eating disorders remain undiagnosed and untreated bec…
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S1E9: Grace and forgiveness propaganda and fighting globalism with more globalism
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Welcome to a new episode of The World's End with Sam Ikin, the show about news for people who hate the news. In this episode, host Sam Ikin delves into the world of wartime propaganda and how it impacts our understanding of global conflicts, like the Israel-Palestine situation. We shed light on the tragic manipulation of Shani Louk's family by medi…
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ANZAED 23: Still more to learn from the latest in research
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At the recent Australia and New Zealand Academy for Eating Disorders conference on the Gold Coast, we spoke to experts about new and groundbreaking insights into eating disorders. This episode is the second in a series of two. Dr Simon Wilksch unpacks his work around the significant financial and emotional costs that families face when caring for c…
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In depth with lived experience advocate Shannon Calvert
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The key to understanding any mental illness is to listen to those who have been through it. Not only can the voices of those with lived experience of an eating disorder help those who are currently impacted, but they also, importantly, serve to educate the health professionals who will provide care. The evidence is clear: Services that are co-desig…
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The latest in diagnosis and care from the annual ANZAED conference
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We snuck into the annual Australia and New Zealand Academy for Eating Disorders (ANZAED) conference to illuminate the future of eating disorder diagnosis and care. We recorded on-site at the conference, where we asked various speakers to give us a taste of their research for the sake of all those who’d be interested but couldn’t be there. Segment 1…
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In depth with former helpline manager Juliette Thomson on person-centred recovery
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According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, the DSM-V–also known as the psychiatrist’s bible–there are only four official diagnoses for eating disorders. Though experts expect that number to double in the next edition, the reasons someone might develop or maintain an eating disorder are as variable as the number of peopl…
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What medications can help you recover from an eating disorder?
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There’s a medication for almost every illness, and that’s true for mental illnesses, including eating disorders. But how do they work, and how do they help? We’re launching our fourth season of Butterfly: Let’s Talk with an investigation into medications used to treat people with eating disorders, including some brand-new developments that could of…
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What 1600 young people told us about their body image
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The results from the new Butterfly Body Kind Youth Survey are in, and they’re concerning. More than 1600 young people aged 12-18 took part in the survey, with at least half saying they were dissatisfied with their bodies. About one in three kids say they’re completely dissatisfied with the way that they look. "The problem is there’s a real cost to …
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Meet the three MPs committed to better care for eating disorders
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In February this year, ABC dedicated their flagship investigative report, Four Corners, to eating disorders. This was, in part, because of a few Members of Parliament. The MPs are Teal Independent Zoe Daniel, Liberal Andrew Wallace and Labor’s Susan Templeman. Based on continuous calls for help from their constituents, the three resolved to act for…
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It still hurts: Appearance-based teasing when you're a kid
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Many of us remember being teased about our appearance in primary school because it happens - a lot. Perhaps we don’t think about it much now, but chances are the experience has left a mark on who we’ve become. The research is clear: Appearance-based teasing is a key risk factor for a child to develop body dissatisfaction which, in turn, can negativ…
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Dr Beth Shelton is a psychologist and long-time director of the National Eating Disorder Collaboration (NEDC), leading a team that develops national standards for preventing and treating eating disorders and works actively to build the system of care. As a highly respected professional in the field, we asked Beth to explain the different diagnoses …
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Welcome to Smash My Pod. This series is currently in development, and this is the only place to find it. This is a joint production from Sam Ikin and Dan McHugh, two journalists jaded by decades of work in Australia's disastrous news media. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.By Sam Ikin
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All about #BodyPride as an LGBTQIA+ human
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We’re all subject to continuous appearance-based pressures which impact our self-worth. The LGBTQIA+ community is no different. In fact, it’s a community that faces unique challenges regarding pressures that affect body image. And, for some people, it can escalate during Mardi Gras season. “People will go on a big shred or a big diet for the month,…
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S2E3: Poorly Thought Through Politics - Thank heavens for the WEF
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WE'RE BACK. Stewart Morris joins the show again to discuss the horrific loss of the world's best authoritarian leader, Jacinda Ardern. To be clear, she's okay, she's just resigning because she wants to "spend more time with her family." We also dive into the amazing future our benevolent overlords at the World Economic Forum have decided they will …
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In depth with early childhood body image expert Dr Stephanie Damiano
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It goes without saying that we want to give our young children the best start. We also know from years of research that negative body image can impact almost all life outcomes – including relationships, education, and careers. So how do we protect our children from developing a negative body image? And when should we start? The answer could shock y…
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How can we be kind to our bodies this summer?
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The summer holidays usually come with some expectations. We meet the extended family for a holiday meal. We wear fewer clothes in the summer heat. We make new year’s resolutions pushed by the diet industry. We smile and nod at the inevitable comments about our appearance from well-meaning family members. And we’re expected to find all of this a joy…
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S1E2: How to handle angry people without it affecting you
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How do you handle angry people, who get all up in your face, without it affecting you? We have no idea, but that won't stop us from talking about it. If only you could flick a switch and turn off tens of thousands of years' worth of evolutionary fight-for-flight conditioning. Maybe Elon Musk will solve that for us too. One person who chose flight o…
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S2E1: Season Two Premier - Hard times create strong men
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Warning!! This episode contains cuss words. Mum, maybe skip this one. Stewart Morris joins us in the studio to talk about the ridiculous way some journalists are carrying on about the US midterm elections, which are being held this week. We specifically make fun of one of Australia's top journalists after a cringe-worthy attempt to take on Trump en…
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In Depth on Perfectionism with Prof Tracey Wade
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The drive for perfectionism is unusually common in people experiencing body image issues and eating disorders. Perfectionism is quite different from the drive to improve, which is an appropriate and healthy desire. Perfectionistic people, however, believe that "perfect" is possible—and the problem is that it's not. This sets up the perfectionist fo…
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In Depth with occupational therapist Dr Elysa Roberts
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In this episode, we sit down with occupational therapist Dr Elysa Roberts to discover why OT can be effective in treating eating disorders. First, what is an occupation? It’s generally defined as “any activity in which one engages”, which means it’s a lot more than just a job. An occupation can include eating, exercising, working, shopping, sociali…
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Young people and body image - all we don't know
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As parents or carers of young people, we like to think we know what's important in young people’s lives. But there's no way to tell what's really going on in their heads. If we're trying to understand young people as a group--their perspective in relation to the world and the culture right now--it's even harder. That's where Mission Australia's You…
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Liz Dale is a Worimi Woman and Doctor of Psychology whose work involves Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people’s lived experience of eating disorders and body image concerns, as well as Aboriginal approaches to wellness and care. A holistic approach is becoming increasingly accepted as key to ongoing recovery. However, many of us steeped in W…
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Where's the limit to enhancing your looks?
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Paying attention to your appearance is a very human trait. And though we talk about accepting our bodies and learning to love them, most of us still think about our image a lot. We're not the only species that groom,” says researcher and clinical psychologist Deb Mitchison. “Most species are interested in how they look so it's not a drive that I th…
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In depth with body acceptance advocate Bella Davis
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A few years ago, Isabella Davis impulsively took a photo of her body and posted it to her Instagram account. It was an act of defiance. She was sick of being told she wasn’t good enough, that she needed to go on a diet, or that she should aspire to a particular body shape or size. “My feed was just full of perfectly posed images, which are great, b…
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It’s the most basic of questions and the one most often asked on the Butterfly Helpline: How do you know it’s an eating disorder? “If you’re even considering that there might be an eating disorder going on,” says Dr. Simon Wilksch, senior eating disorders research fellow at Flinders University, “it’s likely there’s something happening that’s worth …
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How's life when your sibling has an eating disorder?
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If a person experiences a mental health issue, most people know that their family is also affected in varying ways. In this podcast, we look at the impact of eating disorders on siblings – how they feel about their brother or sister’s eating disorder, how they feel about their sibling’s experience, what support they feel able to offer, and what sup…
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In Depth with CEO, National Mental Health Commission, Christine Morgan
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Before she was the CEO of Australia’s Mental Health Commission, Christine Morgan served for 10 years as CEO of Butterfly. And to mark Butterfly’s 20th anniversary, she sat down with Sam Ikin for an in-depth review of eating disorders in Australia. Their conversation included the state of awareness, research, diagnosis, and treatment options - first…
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S1E5: Election special - six weeks of public relations with Chris Glassock and Topher Field
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The day before the federal election, we ask what we've gained from the last six weeks of election campaigning. Reformed journalists Sam Ikin and Chris Glassock analyse the horrendous bombardment of spin and public relations messaging that Australia has been subject to and try to see if there's any sense in it at all. Sam says "Public relations and …
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Eating Disorders: Past, present and future care
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To mark 20 years of service to all those affected by body image issues and eating disorders, our new podcast looks at the past, present and future of care. Sam talks to Claire Middleton, the desperate mum who started Butterfly from her kitchen table and in doing so changed hundreds of thousands of lives. He also talks to Shannon Calvert, who lived …
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In Depth with parenting expert Justin Coulson
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The teenage years can be fun and exciting but they’re also a period when we’re particularly vulnerable to body image concerns. Young people are developmentally inclined to compare themselves to others, but this developmental drive is intensified by external influences, including the constant presence of social media that showcases unrealistic body …
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Eating disorders and autism: More common than you think
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The relationship between autism and eating disorders is not well known but it's surprisingly common. It's so common that some of Australia's top clinicians recommend everyone who lives with an eating disorder take an autism test. "Somewhere between 30 and 35 per cent of individuals with eating disorders may actually also be autistic, but it's likel…
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In Depth with LGBTIQA+ specialist Kai Schweizer
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Kai Schweizer, who identifies as gender diverse, first joined the Butterfly podcast in 2020 for the episode Gender, Sexuality and Eating Disorders. Our host Sam spent some time getting to know how Kai’s emerging gender identity at an all-girls secondary school led to disordered eating behaviours. He’s now a respected specialist in LGBTIQA+ issues, …
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Addressing risks of narrow body and beauty ideals in the media
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It’s no secret we’ve been fed overly narrow beauty and body standards through advertising and the media for as long as both have been around. What’s less talked about are the consequences: Constant exposure to idealised bodies promotes body dissatisfaction, poor self-esteem and can trigger serious and life-threatening eating disorders. "We’ve grown…
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In Depth with eSafety Educator Cara Webber
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The content we consume online can have been found time and time again to be a huge driver of body image issues. According to extensive research young people are particularly at risk. Social media, in particular, is packed with unrealistic images and ideals. These platforms can be an incubator for mental illness - including eating disorders. This ha…
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Negative body image can impact almost every aspect of your life, especially your sex life. And while fulfilling intimate relationships is a key component of general wellbeing, the shame hammered into us by societal messages about what bodies should look like is too often carried into the bedroom. It can seriously mess with our sexual experience. “S…
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What is fat phobia (and why should you care)?
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Fat phobia is the fear and dislike of fat or larger bodies. It’s irrational, unjust, and often expressed in damaging ways. In fact, weight stigma is associated with several negative outcomes for people in larger bodies, including decreased opportunity in employment, income, education, housing, and medical care. The mental health impacts are also we…
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In Depth with fat positive influencer Katie Parrott
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Social media influencer Katie Parrott uses her online presence to normalise our view of larger bodies and to talk about fatphobia, mental health, public health, food, fashion, and anything else that comes to mind. Katie spent some time with our host, Sam Ikin, talking about her journey to body acceptance. It wasn’t always easy for Katie to shrug of…
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In Depth with exceptional sibling Jack Symonds
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Jack Symonds never considered himself to be much of a swimmer. In fact, before deciding to swim the English Channel to raise funds for Butterfly, it was probably twelve years since he swam a single lap in a pool. Jack is the sibling of a beloved sister who battled an eating disorder for close to ten years. “They say that people don’t get eating dis…
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What does an eating disorder look like to you?
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About a million Australians are going into this holiday season - which is often defined by feasting - struggling with an eating disorder. Many of those will be hiding in plain sight. They’ll be struggling but the people around them won’t have any idea because they don’t fit the stereotype. They don’t look the way people with eating disorders are su…
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In Depth with men's body image expert Scott Griffiths
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Dr Scott Griffiths is one of Australia’s top researchers in body image and eating disorders and a National Health and Medical Research Council Fellow at the University of Melbourne. He’s currently involved in an ongoing study into the male experience of eating disorders. In this In Depth episode, he challenges the myth that men are not impacted by …
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Eating disorders and other health conditions
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We know that treating an eating disorder can be complicated. But when you’re managing an eating disorder along with a co-occurring medical condition, that can add extra complexity. It’s quite common for eating disorders to co-exist with other health issues but it's often unclear whether eating behaviours are to appropriately mitigate symptoms or ar…
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Professor Richard Newton: Let's Talk In Depth
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Psychiatrist Richard Newton is an adjunct professor at Monash University, the clinical director of a large mental health service (that also serves as a teaching hospital), and serves on the boards of Butterfly and Wandi Nerida, Butterfly’s residential treatment centre on the Sunshine Coast. In this episode, he talks with Sam Ikin about how mental h…
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We live in a world where we’re constantly marketed cheap, addictive “food” with very little nutritional value, and we’ve all heard about the public health impacts of that. It’s a situation that’s led to a growing distrust of the food system and increased fear of food. It’s little wonder there’s rapidly growing interest in “healthy eating”, and it’s…
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