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Welcome to GTM Made Simple. Join host Sangram Vajre, WSJ and USA Today bestselling author, speaker, and co-founder of Terminus, as he meets with the most influential go-to-market leaders and helps you confidently answer: what's my next move?
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Category Thinkers

Pablo Gonzalez, John Rougeux, Mike Damphousse

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Where the category design curious go to become category design capable… Category Thinkers is a podcast dedicated to exploring and demystifying the world of category design. Our mission is to help you identify, understand, and apply category design principles to your own ventures, no matter the industry or stage of your business journey. We believe that embracing category design strategies can unlock the potential of any business or individual, and we aim to debunk the notion that its applica ...
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In this podcast episode, Hywel Carver, CEO of Skiller Whale, shares his company's category design journey after attending a workshop by Category Design Advisors, sponsored by Concept Ventures. He discusses the challenges they faced in defining their offering and how the workshop, along with the book "Play Bigger," helped them create a new category …
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Commercial real estate isn’t usually a place that is associated with technological innovation, neither is the HVAC industry, but that makes it ripe for category design. Meet Frederik Hendriksen, the founder of Rensair. Explore their groundbreaking smart ventilation system, seamlessly integrating hardware and software to optimize energy efficiency a…
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In this episode, John Rougeux interviews Lauren Pufpaf, the President, COO, and co-founder of Feed Media Group. Lauren’s company was founded on the insight that apps need the right music experience to fully engage users. But as the company grew, they learned that they weren’t going after a big enough problem. Listen in to learn how Lauren and her t…
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A.I. has created a massive shift in context, and with that comes massive opportunities for category designers, but it also means a flood of competitors into the same space. Brian Schiff had capitalized on this shift, focusing on leveraging A.I. to take customer support from a cost center to a profit center, and is now using category design to avoid…
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Al Ramadan is the CEO of Play Bigger, LLC and one of the co-authors of “Play Bigger,” and a dedicated board member of Save The Waves Coalition. In this replay of our live AMA event, we’ll dive deep into the art of category design. Discover how shifts in context—ranging from environmental changes to global events like pandemics, wars, or financial c…
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In this episode, we interview Rebecca Kirstein Resch, the founder and CEO at inqli. Rebecca’s company is dedicated to helping workplace teams tap into the power of ‘tacit knowledge.’ She’s been using category design as a framework for uncovering new problems and now has a clear story about why a new type of solution called ‘social knowledge sharing…
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In this episode, Nick Tippmann, former CMO of medtech company Greenlight Guru, joins Pablo, Damp, and John to break down his journey as a marketer turned investor. Nick shares why vertical SaaS companies should think like category designers and how he evaluates the category potential of early-stage startups. We discuss: How Greenlight Guru tipped f…
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In this episode, we’re joined by Dan Gottlieb, a Senior Director Analyst at Gartner. Dan shares his take on how analysts like him define categories and when to establish a new one. He also unpacks how startups can stand out in crowded categories by defining their “critical capabilities” and shares how and when startups should educate analysts like …
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Sangram Vajre is one of the best-known category designers in B2B SaaS, with community and events being critical parts of his playbook. Not only did Sangram bring the account-based marketing category to life during his time at Terminus, but he's also used the same playbook to launch a successful paid community (Peak), and now a service business (GTM…
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In this episode, Brad Luttrell joins us to talk through how he discovered category design a year and a half ago, why it was the strategy Holler Commerce needed to adopt, and what he has done to design social commerce as a service category ever since. He speaks with our co-founder, John Rougeux and Damp, about: Whether category design is a choice or…
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In this episode, Ken Rutsky joins us to explore a concept he calls ‘category memetics.’ It’s the idea that new categories can act like memes – they can enter the mind, replicate, and rapidly spread to others. Ken shares his insights on how to create a successful category meme and unpacks some of the research he uncovered that led to these insights.…
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It takes a lot of time and commitment to write a great strategic narrative, but if you can use battle tested frameworks, they will save you time, money and even heartbreak. Strategy and brand design expert Josh Lowman walks us through the three tools he uses to quickly pitch and vet new category ideas, and engages with our community in our monthly …
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Scott Albro, co-founder and CEO of Goldie shares his insights on why analyst buy-in is crucial for category success, strategies for effectively communicating your category vision, and real-world examples from his time at TOPO. For those unfamiliar, TOPO, Inc. was a research and advisory firm that provided insights and consulting services to high-gr…
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Innovative companies must convince buyers and analysts why their solutions differ from the status quo, and why that difference matters. But sometimes, developing the right narrative can be a challenge. This is where a well-crafted point of view (POV) can help. In this episode, we’re joined by David West, co-founder and CEO of Proscia. After attendi…
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Category design principles can be applied in different ways, for different outcomes. And while sometimes it’s clear that your business needs to act like a category designer, other times the answer is less straightforward. In this episode, we’re joined by Jonathan Gandolf, founder and CEO of The Juice. Jonathan was introduced to category design earl…
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In this episode, Jared Robin, founder of RevGenius, shares his take on how category design and community can mutually reinforce each other. In 2020, Jared took a small LinkedIn group and turned it into a community that now has over 40,000 members. In our conversation, you’ll hear all about Jared’s journey and how he plans to build community going f…
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In this episode, we’re joined by Pietro Bezza, co-founder and managing partner at Connect Ventures. Pietro shares a framework he calls “minimal viable category design,” which focuses on helping early stage startups have the right conversations about the problem they’re solving and their plans for evangelizing it. Listen now to find out: The challen…
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After Kevin Maney co-authored the book Play Bigger in 2016, he and Mike Damphousse founded Category Design Advisors to guide CEOs in implementing category design. That was seven years ago. Now, after over 40 client engagements and joined by John Rougeux, the team decided it was time to rework its own category Point of View. In this recording of a l…
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In this podcast episode, James Carbary, founder of Sweet Fish Media, discusses how he went from running a blog writing agency to becoming the category king of B2B podcasting, thanks to category design. He debunks the myth that category design is only for VC-backed companies or those with large budgets and shares his pivot into designing a new categ…
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In 2020, Doug Camplejohn was working at Salesforce when a global pandemic suddenly changed the world. He soon realized that there might be an opportunity to address the new ways in which people found themselves working. That’s when he decided to start Airspeed, a family of apps that helps employees feel connected and celebrated. Through the lens of…
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In this episode, Lauren discusses the importance of category design for startups. We delve into startup challenges that are addressed by category design. Lauren shares how they've used Guidewheel’s FactoryOps category point of view to attract the right people, investors and customers. We talk about the evolution of sustainability as a priority, the…
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Jared Fuller and Isaac Morehouse were the dynamic duo behind our recent conversation about nearbound – a radically different approach to GTM that’s reshaping the partnership landscape. These two have always been staunch advocates of category design, and they’ve harnessed this discipline to create one of the fastest-growing B2B media brands of all t…
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This week’s show is with Dan Tyre, a legendary executive at HubSpot. Hired as employee number six, Dan talks about the backstory of the inbound category, how to get sales to support your category design strategy, and the importance of company culture when designing a category. This episode was moderated by Pablo Gonzalez and Mike Damphousse. This e…
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Fresh off a category design workshop in NYC, Rachel Josepho, Founder & CEO of Mindfull, and Waleed Cope, CEO of The Soap Box, joined us to share their journey as category designers leading early-stage startups. Listen in to unpack… How early stage startups can use category design chart their strategy Why category designers need to start with a high…
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In this Category Short, John Rougeux explains why a concept called “category jail” needs to be on the radar of every startup. Category jail occurs when your novel solution is mentally miscategorized by buyers, causing your company to get unfairly written off as another “me-too” product. Listen now to learn: Why category jail can keep radically diff…
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In this episode, we chat with Rio Hodges, Principal at Antler. Rio encounters hundreds of startups each year through his firm's accelerator programs, so his perspective is invaluable if you’re in the early chapters of this journey. We cover: The one crucial slide that many startups leave out of their pitch decks Why startups should obsess about the…
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Scale Venture Partners’ Craig Rosenberg joins us on the show to talk about how category design drives demand, how he mentors founders, and a handful of stories from the startup and VC trenches. Craig is the Chief Platform Officer at Scale and long-time friend and collaborator of our co-host, Damp. In this episode, we'll discuss: Category design sto…
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Very rarely do we see such an explosion of innovation as we are seeing right now. The rise of AI reminds us very much of the early internet... just like the early dot-com era, AI will spawn a new generation of categories and subcategories. In this episode of Category Thinkers, we invited AI and machine learning expert Manny Bernabe to help us cover…
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You spoke and we heard you — this community needs a book club! We kicked off the first ever Category Thinkers Book Club with Eddie Yoon's classic, Superconsumers. Listen to Eddie, the co-founders of Category Thinkers (Mike Damphousse, John Rougeux, Pablo Gonzalez), and members of the community discuss: Where Eddie came up with the insights that led…
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There's plenty of examples of founders, obsessed with a problem, applying category design to build their business and dominate their market. But realistically, most people that first encounter category design are not in the founding stages of their company. That's why talking to the CEO of a publicly traded company that decided to apply category de…
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You can read the books, and listen to all the podcasts about Category Design, but nothing beats learning from the experience of someone currently in the trenches of designing a new category. That's why we wanted to pull the curtain back on what it feels like to be actively designing a category as a startup founder/CEO with Hannah Grady Williams, Fo…
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Bill Macaitis is the former CMO then CRO of Slack, CMO of Zen Desk, and SVP of Marketing at SalesForce and in this conversation we dive deep into what made Slack the category king of team collaboration tools it has become. You'll notice that most of this story took place before Play Bigger was even written so this was intuitive category design by B…
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Category Thinking is everywhere, and your ability to identify it in the wild will sharpen your skillset as a category designer. And in this episode of #CategoriesInTheWild, we'll examine WWE's development of the "sports entertainment" category. It's a perfect case study that every category designer should learn from. Join John Rougeux and Pablo Gon…
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When founders first start considering a category strategy, they spend a lot of time bouncing ideas back and forth to develop a point of view. That can feel great or it can feel like a battle, but it's impossible to know if it's productive until they share it with someone else to see if it resonates. But how should the conversation go? How do you kn…
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Mark Kilens has built a career as a marketing leader and category designer with HubSpot and Drift. Now, he's the CMO at Airmeet, the company behind Event-Led Growth. In this conversation, we break down what Mark's learned as a category designer, including: How to wrap your category in a familiar context to help buyers understand it. Mark's 3 step f…
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When Apple launched the Vision Pro, it wasn't just a product launch, it was the launch of a new category called "spatial computing." But did Apple get everything right? They did a lot of things well, but we think Apple had a couple misses, too. Join us as we deconstruct Apple's newest category launch and discuss what we might have done differently.…
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One of the biggest reasons we knew the world needed the Category Thinkers Community (apart from our own desire to talk category strategy all day) is that there are many misconceptions about the discipline of category design, and who it's for. In fact, the term "category thinking", expands the tent on category design in a way that allows us to use i…
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The discipline of category design was formally launched seven years ago with the book, Play Bigger. If you were paying attention, it predicted what was coming – that in the next six to ten years, category design would tip into the mainstream. That’s why on category design’s seventh birthday, we decided to reunite three co-authors of Play Bigger (Ch…
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Most marketers, if you asked for the number one thing you’d really want to understand in their field, will probably roll their eyes, look at you like you’re stupid and say something like: “Your buyer persona,” or even, “The market, duh.” And most marketers would be wrong… What you need to understand more than anything else is your product. In this …
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This isn't just a podcast. It's the launch of a community. A different community dedicated to the understanding and application of category design. Naturally, we're kicking it off with our POV. If you are a category designer looking for a band of pirates to be a part of... If you are category curious and looking to become category capable... If you…
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With so many CMOs becoming the CEOs of their respective companies, it’s time to ask the question for those CMOs looking to follow the same steps: What are the actionable steps to get there? In this replay episode, we speak with Jeff Perkins, CEO at ParkMobile, about his journey from CMO to CEO and his big lessons that every marketer should know to …
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Who owns go-to-market has been our big question so far, but how about what makes up a solid go-to-market strategy? In this episode, Sangram sits down with Muhammad Yasin, marketing expert and host of the Agile Marketing Podcast, to dive into all the aspects of a successful GTM strategy. Muhammad discusses how marketing isn’t the only contributor to…
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Ask a group of go to market leaders who owns go to market, and most will say the CEO. But this leader? He confidently says otherwise. In this episode, Sangram sits down with Kyle Lacy, SVP of Marketing at Seismic (formerly CMO of Lessonly, which was acquired by Seismic) to dive into his answer to the big GTM question. Kyle confidently says that mar…
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Why in the world would I have someone on my podcast who hates my book?! Well, it’s because he isn’t wrong in his reasoning! Christopher Lochhead–author, entrepreneur, advisor, and VC partner–absolutely loves category creation, and he’s got dozens of stories to prove exactly why he’s such a champion of it. He’s sharing these stories (and his very ho…
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Where can we grow the most? It's the first question most GTM leaders ask themselves...but hold up! There's a reason this one comes last... In this week's Author's Cut episode, Bryan and Sangram dive into the last (but not least) letter of the MOVE framework: the "E" for Expansion. Listen in to learn how to know when it's time to expand, where you s…
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There are important processes that every go-to-market leader should have in place to know they’re on the right track. Do you know what they are? In this episode, co-authors Sangram and Bryan are breaking down the “V” in the “MOVE” framework–velocity–and how organization can use the enablement ramping to scale their business effectively, no matter w…
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Every company wants to scale well. How can they guarantee that they’ll do it right? The answer: revenue operations. In this episode, Sangram and Bryan dive into the “O” of the MOVE framework–operations. They talk about exactly what your operations team, tactics, and strategy should look like at every stage of your business. Consider this episode yo…
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TAM is out - TRM is in. In this episode of Author’s Cut, co-authors of the MOVE book Bryan Brown and Sangram Vajre talk about the “M” in the MOVE framework - Market. Bryan and Sangram explain why they think “Total Addressable Market” may not be the best baseline for your marketing strategy...it’s actually “Total Relevant Market”. Here’s how you fin…
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When you’re building a company around your product, there are a few crucial mistakes you need to avoid. The perfect person to walk us through the playbook for product-led growth is my friend Scott Voigt, Founder & CEO at FullStory. In this episode, he shares the story behind FullStory, why he chose to grow his company alongside his product, and how…
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