436: Writing Partnerships with Rebecca Winthrop and Jenny Anderson

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Legendary actor and mental health advocate Glenn Close is on a quest to change how we think about mental health, starting with her decision to speak out about her own family's struggles — a brave choice considering the stigma that pervades the topic. This week, we're revisiting this sweeping conversation with TEDWomen curator Pat Mitchell, where Close shares the inspiration behind the advocacy group she founded to combat the crisis, underscoring the transformative power of community and the critical need for comprehensive mental health care systems. Want to help shape TED’s shows going forward? Fill out our survey ! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…

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“If the language isn’t there, I have difficulty showing up for the idea” - Jenny Anderson
Jess here. Rebecca Winthrop, Director of the Center for Universal Education at the Brookings Institution, and Jenny Anderson, award-winning journalist, paired up to write one of my favorite education and parenting books in recent memory: The Disengaged Teen.
While I adore the book and could go on for ages about it, that’s not why I invited these two to come on the podcast. I am fascinated - and strangely horrified - by the idea of co-writing. Maybe it’s my control issues, who knows. I’ve asked Sarina Bowen about her writing partnerships with Tanya Eby and Elle Kennedy (come ON now, have you read their award-winning trilogy, Him, Us and Epic?) so I thought I’d give her a bit of a break and ask Rebecca and Jenny to tell me all about how their writing collaboration went with this book.
I learned a lot during this podcast, but the thing I’m definitely taking with me is the concept of “clearing” before a collaboration or writing session. I’ve tried it a few times and so far, I love it. No, I can’t find any links for this specific practice despite the breadcrumbs “Narrative company” and “clearing,” so if you find out on your own, drop me a line so I can give credit where credit is due.
Things we mention in the episode:

Jenny’s Substack, How to Be Brave

Rebecca’s newsletter over at LinkedIn, Winthrop’s World of Education

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QUICK NOTE for non-fiction writers! Friend of the pod Christie Aschwanden is running her non-fiction book proposal workshop again for the first time since 2022. It’s 8 weeks long and participants are carefully vetted (requires an application) and it’s had great results in the past. All details HERE: The Book Proposal Factory.

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450: Shifting POVs, Adding or Subtracting a Body... Writing is Revising with Meg Mitchell Moore 37:20

3 days ago37:20

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Meg Mitchell Moore is the author of Mansion Beach , a page-turner-y multi POV summer saga with everything you could ask for: a beach, a body, rich people behaving badly but also sometimes not behaving badly, parties, drama and just enough gender-swapped Gatsby to think hard about the meaning of the American Dream. I loved it (KJ here) and I also loved this conversation with Meg, who apparently thinks in multiple POVS and is always just as impatient as I am to feel like the book is done and wonderful when sadly it is… not. #AmReading Meg: Audio: Great Big Beautiful Life , Emily Henry—Julia Whelan Also mentioned: Julia Whelan’s Thank You for Listening Print: The Road to Dalton , Shannon Bowring from The Book Shop of Beverly Farms KJ: Mansion Beach Welcome to Glorious Tuga , Francesca Segal Find Meg at @megmitchellmoore on IG, or visit her website at www.megmitchellmoore.com HEY. Did you know Sarina’s latest thriller is out NOW? Rowan Gallagher is a devoted single mother and a talented architect with a high-profile commission restoring an historic mansion for the most powerful family in Maine. But inside, she’s a mess. She knows that stalking her ex’s avatar all over Portland on her phone isn’t the healthiest way to heal from their breakup. But she’s out of ice cream and she’s sick of romcoms. Watching his every move is both fascinating and infuriating. He’s dining out while she’s wallowing on the couch. The last straw comes when he parks in their favorite spot on the waterfront. In a weak moment, she leashes the dog and sets off to see who else is in his car. Instead of catching her ex in a kiss, Rowan becomes the first witness to his murder—and the primary suspect. Digital books at: Amazon | Nook | Apple Books | Kobo | Google Play | Audible Physical books at: Bookshop.org | Amazon | Barnes & Noble | Indigo | More paperback links here!…

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449: Sticking it to the Book Banners: A Glorious Tale of Pyrrhic Victory 47:37

10 days ago47:37

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Greetings writers! Sarina here. Earlier in May I was surfing social media, as one does, when I came across a story about children’s author Erica Perl and an ill-fated school visit. Her scheduled visit to a school was abruptly canceled. After asking a few questions, it was determined that a single parent had objected to… Well, it’s hard to say. We’ll let Erica tell her story. But you should know that Ms. Perl’s twenty years of book publishing have included such salacious titles as When Cookie Met Carrot and A Whale of a Tea Party . (🔥!) When Erica’s visit was canceled, at first she had a lot of conflicting emotions. We’ll dig in to the vulnerability hangover that comes with writing as a career. But then she pulled herself together and fought back. In the fight, she had a few advantages on her side: 1. She is a lawyer, which didn’t hurt. 2. She had a contract! That’s the most important takeaway here, and 3. She had some help from writers organizations. It’s a great listen. 🎧 Links from today’s episode: School Library Journal article about Erica’s experience Pen America Authors Against Book Bans The Authors Guild The American Library Association Pride and Less Prejudice Where to find Erica : Have Erica come to your school! Everything you need to know HERE . Erica’s latest: Whale and the Birthday Rocks Erica Perl on Threads…

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448: How to Focus on Work in a Chaotic World 44:00

17 days ago44:00

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Hi all, Jess here. This episode was Sarina’s idea, and when you listen you will understand why. It can be hard to focus on the work, whether it’s editing, world building, conjuring meet cutes, or translating research-based hope for the next generation. That said, it’s important that we keep creating and putting our words out into the world. We hope you are able to keep working while navigating the a balance between consuming, processing, and reacting to the news cycle and shutting the world out in self preservation. Stuff we talked about Write Through It: An Insider’s Guide to Writing and the Creative Life by Kate McKean Kate Mckean’s website We Are All Guilty Here by Karin Slaughter (release date August 12, 2025) The OpEd Project Authors Against Book Bans Possession by A.S. Byatt and the film I adore based on the book A Complete Unknown film Hamilton, Non-Stop (“why does he write like he’s running out of time?”) On Writing by Stephen King All In by Billie Jean King Permission by Elissa Altman Meditation for Mortals by Oliver Burkeman HEY. Did you know Sarina’s latest thriller is out NOW? Rowan Gallagher is a devoted single mother and a talented architect with a high-profile commission restoring an historic mansion for the most powerful family in Maine. But inside, she’s a mess. She knows that stalking her ex’s avatar all over Portland on her phone isn’t the healthiest way to heal from their breakup. But she’s out of ice cream and she’s sick of romcoms. Watching his every move is both fascinating and infuriating. He’s dining out while she’s wallowing on the couch. The last straw comes when he parks in their favorite spot on the waterfront. In a weak moment, she leashes the dog and sets off to see who else is in his car. Instead of catching her ex in a kiss, Rowan becomes the first witness to his murder—and the primary suspect. Digital books at: Amazon | Nook | Apple Books | Kobo | Google Play | Audible Physical books at: Bookshop.org | Amazon | Barnes & Noble | Indigo | More paperback links here!…

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447: Imagining the Life of Jo Van Gogh 59:34

24 days ago59:34

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Joan Fernandez is a former senior marketing executive and general partner of the financial powerhouse Edward Jones. In 2018, she retired from a 30+ year career to be a full-time writer. Since leaving the corporate world, she’s become a member of the Historical Novel Society, the Author’s Guild, and the Women’s Fiction Writers Association (WFWA). In April 2020, she founded a Historical Fiction affinity group within WFWA that grew from a handful of people to nearly two hundred authors. Her debut novel, Saving Vincent: A Novel of Jo van Gogh , has just come out — and I had the great privilege of coaching Joan at two points in her long process of writing this book so I had a front row seat to the deep work she did to bring this story to life. Writing about a real person has some particular challenges, and we get into that here. I’m so excited to share our conversation today. Links from the Pod: Historical Novel Society the Authors Guild Women’s Fiction Writers Association (WFWA) Top Five Regrets of the Dying , Bronnie Ware Find Joan at www.joanfernandezauthor.com , or on IG at @joanfernandezauthor Writers and readers! KJ, here. If you love #AmWriting—and I know you do—and especially if you love the regular segment at the end of most episodes where we talk about what we've been reading, you will also love my weekly #AmReading— find it at kjdellantonia.com or kjda.substack.com or by clicking on my name on Substack, if you do that kind of thing. Your #tbr won’t be sorry but also: DID YOU KNOW SARINA BOWEN’s LATEST BOOK IS OUT NEXT WEEK? That means if you preorder NOW—next week you gets to do a happy dance! Rowan Gallagher is a devoted single mother and a talented architect with a high-profile commission restoring an historic mansion for the most powerful family in Maine. But inside, she’s a mess. She knows that stalking her ex’s avatar all over Portland on her phone isn’t the healthiest way to heal from their breakup. But she’s out of ice cream and she’s sick of romcoms. Watching his every move is both fascinating and infuriating. He’s dining out while she’s wallowing on the couch. The last straw comes when he parks in their favorite spot on the waterfront. In a weak moment, she leashes the dog and sets off to see who else is in his car. Instead of catching her ex in a kiss, Rowan becomes the first witness to his murder—and the primary suspect. Digital books at: Amazon | Nook | Apple Books | Kobo | Google Play | Audible Physical books at: Bookshop.org | Amazon | Barnes & Noble | Indigo | More paperback links here!…

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446: Reading a Book Contract 47:33

4 weeks ago47:33

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Jess here with Sarina Bowen to help simplify and demystify author contracts. Let’s start off with a wonderful resource called The Authors Guild . They have sample contracts on their website The Authors Guild Sample Contract ONE You’re not “selling” your book. You’re licensing it. TWO Grant of rights Term length Which territories Which formats Territories North American World English World Formats and sub rights Print and digital and audio Sub rights like “first serial” Translation MAYBE Time limits X years The life of the copyright AG says: The standard license term for traditional trade publishing deals is "the whole term of copyright" THREE Financial remuneration: advances and royalty rates. WHEN is it paid? What percentages? Advance and payment schedule On signing On acceptance of the work (after an edit) On publication A year after publication FOUR Manuscript delivery and acceptance. What happens if people are unhappy. FIVE Other clauses Copyright stipulation The Option Clause The Next Published Work Clause Cover approval vs consideration or collaboration Narrator approval vs consideration Indemnification What are reserves against returns? Reversion terms: bankruptcy, failure to publish, failure to pay, and out of print Red flags: Film rights, even if they say “non exclusive” Derivative works Lack of reversion language…

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445: Novel Writing for Journalists with the NYT's Elizabeth Harris 42:33

5 weeks ago42:33

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When a former NYT journo who now writes novels (that would be me, hi) gets together with a current NYT journo now writing novels, they—we!—cannot stop talking about the challenges, advantages, schedules, pros and cons of book leave and what it is about fiction that lights some journalists up, and turns some off. It’s the good, the bad and the overcome-able, and a class in how people who know they can get the work done also flail, and yet still get the work done. Mentioned on the pod: Fates and Furies , Lauren Groff Twice in a Full Moon , Christina Lauren #AmReading Liz: Naked in the Promised Land , Lillian Faderman KJ: Didion and Babitz , Lili Anolik Follow Liz on Instagram: @lizzyaharris…

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444: The Business of Being a Writer 49:55

6 weeks ago49:55

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Hi #AmWriting listeners, Jennie here! Today, I'm talking to Jane Friedman, who is one of the most trusted voices in the world of publishing. She has advised and served organizations such as Writers Digest , The Chicago Manual of Style , The Editorial Freelancers Association , the Alliance of Independent Authors , and the National Endowment for the Arts , among others. She writes two must-read newsletters for industry professionals. One is her personal newsletter, and the other is The Bottom Line (previously called The Hot Sheet ), where she provides nuanced market intelligence to thousands of authors and industry professionals. The reason I wanted to speak with Jane on the podcast today is that she has just released an updated version of her book, The Business of Being a Writer , which digs into the nuts and bolts of the writing life, including the work of getting published and choosing how to do that, and the work of making money. It is one of those must-read books for writers who are serious about making a mark. Jane offers so much information, some tough love, and also a reason for hope, and I'm so excited I’m talking to Jane about her own writing process, and her advice for writers. Links from the Pod Jane’s Trademark situation via Writer’s Digest Jane’s The Bottom Line Newsletter Find Jane via her website: www.janefriendman.com , or on Instagram at @janefriedman…

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443: Booklab: First Pages (a bite of sci-fi/fantasy action-adventure and Conditioned, a memoir) 41:06

7 weeks ago41:06

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Hey listeners: This week, everyone gets a taste of what paid supporters will get more regularly—a special Booklab: First Pages episode. Each month (and sometimes more often), we’ll choose two “first pages” to review. A first page, for our purposes, is the first 350 words of your book—fiction, non-fiction or memoir. We will read the page aloud on the podcast and discuss with a single thought in mind: Would we keep reading? First pages are incredibly important in every genre. If you can’t grab a reader on that first page, you might lose your chance of grabbing them at all. On the podcast, we’ll read the page aloud and then each cast our “vote”—would we keep going? Then—and this is the most important bit— we’ll discuss why or why not. Were we dying to know what would happen next, or turned off by an info dump? Ready to learn what you have to teach us or ready to see what’s on YouTube? Totally on board with a character or uncertain why we were there in the first place? In this episode, we discuss a high-action page of sci-fi/fantasy and then a memoir, and in both—even though we KNOW we told the writers to give us only 350 words… we want more. Not more words—more from THESE words. And we have ideas for how to make that happen. The opportunity to have your first page reviewed is available to our Sticker and Sparkly Star Sticker supporters only. (That’s anyone with a monthly or annual subscription via Substack). Always, there’s one central question: Would we turn the page? We tell you why or why not, and help these generous, brave writers to make their first pages irresistible—and their examples will help you make your first page sing. This episode is for everyone! But Booklabs (like the one we released in December, discussing a novel with another great first line: Every expensive hotel has its own scent and a memoir of parenting an adult child with addiction) are usually for paid subscribers only. Find the rest HERE . So if you haven’t— yet —decided to support the podcast we know you love, now’s the perfect time. BUT WAIT THERE IS MORE. I want you to put my first page to the test… but not until I listen to all the others! Not only do paid supporters get Booklab episodes and the ability to submit first pages for consideration for a future episode of Booklabs, they also get monthly AMA’s with your hosts (This month is with KJ, coming April 25th). And…. formal announcement coming, but Jennie and I (this is KJ) realized last month that we’ve both finished a Blueprint and are starting to draft our manuscripts. We’re doing a (mostly) weekly series we call Writing the Books (WTB for short), and the first very very personal episode is coming your way April 15. Those will be paywalled, so that we can share everything . Want to submit a first page? Paid subscribers, click HERE for details.…

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442: A.I. Training and Piracy: What You Need to Know 27:03

8 weeks ago27:03

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Social media is all aflutter over an article by Alex Reisner in The Atlantic: The Unbelievable Scale of A.I.’s Pirated Books Problem . In this episode, Jess and Sarina cover the news and its ramifications for authors. You won’t want to miss this discussion about the lawsuits against Meta and OpenAI . We discuss problems and remedies, and the formation of legal markets for A.I. training. Like the work by HarperCollins on a paid licensing deal . We also discuss the root cause: ebook piracy, and author reactions. Including this heartfelt one from author Julia Sykes . Sarina has also written more about piracy, and how to move toward a world where it’s not as prevalent . Join us for all the latest news!…

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441: Creativity, Compromise, and Commercial Viability 53:20

9 weeks ago53:20

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Michael Dante DiMartino graduated from the Rhode Island School of Design with a BFA in Film and Animation. His directing credits include the primetime animated series King of the Hill, Family Guy, and Mission Hill . DiMartino is the co-creator of the award-winning animated Nickelodeon series Avatar: The Last Airbender and its sequel, The Legend of Korra . From 2002 to 2014, he served as executive producer and story editor for both series. He continued Korra’s story as the writer of the graphic novels Turf Wars and Ruins of the Empire . His other projects include authoring the fantasy novels Rebel Genius and Warrior Genius as well as creating and writing the Audible Original fiction podcast, Sundown: A Time Capsule Society Mystery . His latest novel is the YA coming-of-age story, Both Here And Gone . Currently, DiMartino serves as the co-Chief Creative Officer of Avatar Studios, developing new content for the Avatar-verse. You can find out more about Michael by visiting his website www.michaeldantedimartino.com , on Facebook /MichaelDanteDiMartino , or on Instagram @mike_dante_d…

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440: How (and Why) to Submit to Literary Mags and Small Presses 40:36

10 weeks ago40:36

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Let me start with this: if you have any interest at all in literary magazines or small presses, you want this book: How to Submit: Getting Your Writing Published with Literary Magazines and Small Presses . It’s a wonderful book and a great guide, and will lead you into this world and help you feel good about your journey without your getting lost in the universe of scattered information that’s available online. We’ve included a ton of links to that scattered universe below, but I encourage you to buy the book, which will ground you in your own journey. I loved doing this interview, which felt like a return to my own roots in magazine work. As Dennis puts it in the book, there is something about doing the work of shorter pieces and pushing your own boundaries that can be remarkably helpful whether or not you’re also engaged in long form book, and there’s nothing I love more than a roadmap and a checklist. Start, please, by reading and exploring in this world, and then we hope to hear about you contributing. Send links, always! You know, that’s a thing we should do. I’m creating a chat for links and success stories. By the time you see this, it will have been rolling for a while, but go check it out and add yours HERE . And follow Dennis! Write What You Want A newsletter about tuning into the most lively possibilities for our writing—and then finding a home for that writing. Includes submission resources, writing advice, prompts, and interviews. By Dennis James Sweeney Links from the pod Heavy Feather Review’s Where to Submit list AM/PM, Amelia Gray Underworld, Don Delillo Making a Literary Life, Carolyn See HTML Giant Kathleen Rooney Laird Hunt Essay Press Autumn House Press Clifford Garstang’s Literary Magazine Rankings Margot Atwell’s piece in LitHub about the big five thinking of small press as farm Team Dorothy, a publishing project #AmReading Dennis: God Bless You, Otis Spunkmeyer by Joseph Earl Thomas Index for Continuance podcast Material Witness, Aditi Machado Runaways: A Writer's Dilemma, Michael J. Seidlinger KJ: Margo's Got Money Troubles, Rufi Thorpe Death of the Author, Nnedi Okorafor…

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439: A Peek Inside a Hybrid Publisher 45:23

11 weeks ago45:23

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There are many misconceptions about what a hybrid publisher does or doesn’t do, and why it may or may not be a good choice for a writer. I thought hearing from a hybrid publisher directly would be educational for our audience, so I’m pleased to be speaking in this episode to Dr. Nick Courtright, CEO of Atmosphere Press . Check out Atmosphere Press here or submit a manuscript here .…

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438: The Outer World of Publishing 40:37

12 weeks ago40:37

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Hey ho, Jess here. This week, all four of us discuss some of the happenings out there in the publishing world. First up: Super Bowl Sunday is apparently a great reading day. Sarina sent us a screenshot of her sales (she was tipped off by another author) and found out what many people are reading during the game: So that’s fun. Next up, Sean Manning of Simon & Schuster announced no more blurbs (yay!)…unless you want to (boo!) in Publisher’s Weekly and everyone had a lot to say about it. The New York Times , LitHub , lots of others. We add some perspective to the conversation as both blurbees and blurbers. Here’s that wonderful AJ Jacobs NYT piece about not blurbing. And Rebecca Makkai’s piece on not blurbing anymore in her Substack. PEN America The Authors Guild . Please join. Authors Against Book Bans . Please join. Is Sarina Bowen going to jail? We sure hope not. Here’s OK SB593, the legislation we discussed by the dude in Oklahoma . Make sure to check out the language on pages 10-11. Don’t take our word for it, read it yourself. Here’s an example of the work The Authors Guild is doing to stop book banning, in this case in Idaho. I mentioned author and illustrator Katherine Roy in passing, so here’s her episode and her website, and the book I mentioned, Making More: How Life Begins .…

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437: How to Have a Thick Skin, with Lauren Blakely 29:34

13 weeks ago29:34

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Hi listeners! Sarina here, with a topic that has been on my mind for years. When I began my career, everyone told me I had to develop a “thick skin” to do this job. But it turns out that a “thick skin” is one of the only things you can’t buy on Amazon. Today I invite my friend Lauren Blakely onto the podcast for a frank discussion of all that we’ve learned about resilience, one-star ratings and feedback these past ten years or so. Together, we offer the beginnings of a handy framework for how to think about feedback. We offer some actionable advice for what to do, where to turn and how to process unsolicited criticism. You do not have to attend every conversation you’re invited to . - A wise stranger on the interwebs. Since avoiding negative feedback just isn’t feasible, we discuss the following coping mechanisms. Checking in with a friend and having friends in the business How to make sure that good feedback is as available and memorable as the bad Recognizing that clinging to negatives is how the brain works. That reflex has an important evolutionary role, but we don’t have to subjugate ourselves to it. Lifting up other people as soulcraft Where to find Lauren Blakely: Ms. Blakely is the author of multiple bestsellers. For a master class in how to package genre fiction, you’ll definitely want a peek at her backlist . Find more from Lauren at Instagram ! What we are reading: Lauren is loving the forthcoming Shoot Your Shot by Lexi LaFleur. It’s a hockey romance. Sarina is loving The Notebook: A History of Thinking on Paper by Roland Allen, which tickles her geeky, paper-loving heart.…

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436: Writing Partnerships with Rebecca Winthrop and Jenny Anderson 40:58

14 weeks ago40:58