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1 David French | Friends or Enemies? Overcoming Divides with Justice, Kindness, and Humility in a Polarized America 1:15:36
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In this episode, we welcome back David French, columnist for The New York Times , former constitutional attorney, and author of Divided We Fall . We discuss the current state of American democracy, the challenges of political division, and how we can engage in civil discourse despite deep ideological differences. David also shares a personal update on his family and reflects on the profound trials and growth that come with adversity. 📌 What We Discuss: ✔️ How David and his family navigated the challenges of a serious health crisis. ✔️ The rise of political polarization and the factors driving it. ✔️ Why distinguishing between “unwise, unethical, and unlawful” is crucial in analyzing political actions. ✔️ How consuming different perspectives (even opposing ones) helps in understanding political dynamics. ✔️ The role of Christian values in politics and how they are being redefined. ⏳ Episode Highlights 📍 [00:01:00] – David French’s background and his journey from litigation to journalism. 📍 [00:02:30] – Personal update: David shares his wife Nancy’s battle with cancer and their journey as a family. 📍 [00:06:00] – How to navigate personal trials while maintaining faith and resilience. 📍 [00:10:00] – The danger of political paranoia and the pitfalls of extreme polarization. 📍 [00:18:00] – The "friend-enemy" paradigm in American politics and its influence in Christian fundamentalism. 📍 [00:24:00] – Revisiting Divided We Fall : How America’s divisions have devolved since 2020. 📍 [00:40:00] – The categories and differences of unwise, unethical, and unlawful political actions. 📍 [00:55:00] – The balance between justice, kindness, and humility in political engagement. 📍 [01:00:00] – The After Party initiative: A Christian approach to politics focused on values rather than policy. 💬 Featured Quotes 🔹 "You don't know who you truly are until your values are tested." – David French 🔹 "If we focus on the relational, we can have better conversations even across deep differences." – Corey Nathan 🔹 "Justice, kindness, and humility—if you're missing one, you're doing it wrong." – David French 🔹 "The United States has a history of shifting without repenting. We just move on." – David French 📚 Resources Mentioned David French’s Writing: New York Times David’s Book: Divided We Fall The After Party Initiative – More Info Advisory Opinions Podcast (with Sarah Isgur & David French) – Listen Here 📣 Call to Action If you found this conversation insightful, please: ✅ Subscribe to Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other on your favorite podcast platform. ✅ Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen: ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics ✅ Support the show on Patreon: patreon.com/politicsandreligion ✅ Watch the full conversation and subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/@politicsandreligion 🔗 Connect With Us on Social Media @coreysnathan: Bluesky LinkedIn Instagram Threads Facebook Substack David French: 🔗 Twitter | BlueSky | New York Times Our Sponsors Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com Prolux Autogroup: www.proluxautogroup.com or www.granadahillsairporttransportation.com Let’s keep talking politics and religion—with gentleness and respect. 🎙️💡…
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1 Rescuers in Myanmar and Thailand race to find survivors as earthquake death toll soars 3:25
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Myanmar’s ruling military government now says more than 1,600 people have died in a devastating earthquake as more bodies are being pulled from rubble. The epicenter of the 7.7 magnitude quake was near Mandalay, Myanmar’s second-largest city, and it rocked neighboring countries, including Thailand. Debi Edward of Independent Television News reports. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders…

1 News Wrap: Overnight airstrikes hit Houthi rebels in Yemen’s capital 2:45
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In our news wrap Saturday, suspected U.S. airstrikes hit Houthi rebels in Yemen, southern Texas is getting a much-needed break from torrential downpours that caused flooding, a judge ruled against the dismantling of Voice of America, Elon Musk is shifting ownership of the social media platform X, and the Oxford English Dictionary added dozens of new words to its pages. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders…

1 How new job cuts at the nation’s leading health agency affect Americans 9:26
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The FDA’s top vaccine official has resigned. On Friday, Dr. Peter Marks wrote that Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. wants “subservient confirmation of his misinformation and lies.” That follows this week’s announcement that the Department of Health and Human Services would fire around 10,000 of its workers. Ali Rogin speaks with two former HHS leaders about what this means for the country. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders…

1 The women lighthouse keepers who saved countless lives from coast to coast 7:47
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For generations, women have been operating lighthouses across the country, saving lives and keeping history. John Yang reports from the oldest continuously operating lighthouse on the U.S. Pacific coast. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders

1 Buildings collapse as 7.7 magnitude earthquake rocks Myanmar and Thailand 3:43
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A major earthquake in Southeast Asia rocked Myanmar and surrounding countries, collapsing multiple buildings and complicating rescue efforts. The 7.7 magnitude quake's epicenter was near Myanmar’s second-largest city and was followed by a strong 6.4 magnitude aftershock. The disaster has killed at least 150 people. Debi Edward of Independent Television News reports. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders…

1 News Wrap: Israel strikes Beirut for first time since Hezbollah ceasefire took effect 3:39
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In our news wrap Friday, Israel struck Beirut for the first time since a ceasefire with Hezbollah took effect last November, Utah is the first state to ban fluoride in public drinking water and President Trump signed an order to wipe out what he calls "divisive narratives" and “improper ideology” at the Smithsonian Institution. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders…

1 Vance lands in Greenland as Trump reiterates desire to take territory 4:08
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President Trump again reiterated his desire to take over Greenland, which is a self-governed part of Denmark. Vice President Vance, along with his wife and the president's national security advisor, traveled to the U.S. military base there to again make their case. It has enraged the governments of Greenland and Denmark and driven another wedge between the U.S. and Europe. Stephanie Sy reports. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders…

1 What we know — and don’t know — about the U.S. strikes in Yemen 5:27
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The U.S. launched what analysts are describing as one of the largest bombing missions in Yemen in years. The strikes targeted what the U.S. says are Houthi leaders and terrorist infrastructure. The Trump administration’s campaign has been ongoing for two weeks, but the military action has been overshadowed by the messages sent by national security officials in Signal. Nick Schifrin reports. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders…

1 The security vulnerabilities of using Signal to discuss military operations 5:27
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The news of Trump officials using Signal for a group chat on military operations has raised many questions about just how secure such messaging apps are and the risks if government officials use them on their personal devices. Lisa Desjardins reports. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders…

1 Migrants in U.S. legally and with no criminal history caught up in Trump crackdown 10:46
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President Trump promised the largest mass deportation effort in the country’s history. As his Homeland Security Department works to deport more people, immigrants with legal status or no criminal history are being detained and deported. We hear from three people to better understand the impact and Laura Barrón-López reports on the administration's efforts. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders…

1 Brooks and Marcus on political reaction to Trump officials using app to discuss Yemen plan 9:51
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New York Times columnist David Brooks and columnist Ruth Marcus join Geoff Bennett to discuss the week in politics, including Trump officials sharing sensitive information on a commercial app, the reaction to the revelation, the state of U.S. foreign relations and President Trump’s bid for Greenland. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders…

1 Authors of ‘In Covid’s Wake’ on their criticism of the government’s pandemic response 8:06
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Five years ago, the World Health Organization declared the outbreak of COVID-19 a pandemic. That launched widespread shutdowns, mandates for masks and vaccines and caused enormous social and economic harms. William Brangham spoke with the authors of "In Covid's Wake: How Our Politics Failed Us," a new book that’s sharply critical of how America responded to this crisis. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders…

1 How automakers are navigating Trump’s tariffs on imported vehicles and parts 6:51
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Foreign leaders in Europe, Canada and Asia sharply criticized President Trump’s announcement of 25 percent tariffs on imported cars and car parts. Nearly half of all passenger vehicles sold in the U.S. last year were assembled outside the country and experts say the tariffs could upend the global automotive industry. Amna Nawaz discussed more with Gavin Bade of The Wall Street Journal. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders…

1 News Wrap: Health and Human Services cutting workforce by nearly 25 percent 6:40
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In our news wrap Thursday, the Health and Human Services Department will slash its workforce by almost 25 percent, the White House pulled Rep. Elise Stefanik's nomination to be UN ambassador over the GOP's slim House margin and Attorney General Pam Bondi signaled there is unlikely to be a criminal investigation into the sharing of military details by Trump officials on a commercial messaging app. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders…

1 ACLU attorney on suing Trump administration for using wartime authority for deportations 8:11
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President Trump’s use of the Alien Enemies Act to deport hundreds of Venezuelan migrants, without due process, could end up at the Supreme Court. An appeals court upheld a ruling blocking the administration from using the rare wartime authority for deportations, a decision the White House will appeal. Laura Barrón-López discussed the case with Lee Gelernt of the ACLU's Immigrants Rights Project. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders…
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1 Trade wars, federal cuts complicate lives of some Nebraskans who put Trump back in office 6:49
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President Trump’s sweeping measures, from tariffs to federal worker cuts, are taking shape in Washington, but their impact is already rippling far beyond. Lisa Desjardins visited rural Nebraska where livelihoods are on the line. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders
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1 FTC commissioner fired by Trump says move threatens agency designed to protect consumers 6:37
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Two Democratic commissioners of the Federal Trade Commission sued the Trump administration after being fired before their terms expired. The independent agency, designed to be bipartisan, protects consumers and enforces antitrust laws. The White House defended the move but Democrats argue the firings invite corruption. Amna Nawaz spoke with one of the fired commissioners, Alvaro Bedoya. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders…
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1 Angelo Carusone on tracking Project 2025 and right-wing media 8:25
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Project 2025, the conservative policy project, became a flashpoint during the presidential campaign. Angelo Carusone of Media Matters studied the 900-page document and spoke with Geoff Bennett for our series, On Democracy, where we hear a range of perspectives on how government should function, what led to this moment in American history and where the country goes next. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders…
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1 Development near Phoenix tests whether car-free living is sustainable in sprawling cities 7:40
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The sprawling metropolis of Phoenix seems an unlikely place to build an apartment complex without parking for residents. Car dependency is just part of life for most people there. But a new development in the suburb of Tempe is providing a blueprint for car-free and more environmentally friendly living. Stephanie Sy reports for our Tipping Point series and our arts and culture coverage, CANVAS. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders…
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1 Trump officials face more questions as new details from Yemen strike chat revealed 4:32
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The Atlantic published the full message exchange among the president’s national security aides right before the launch of a military campaign in Yemen. The messages were written on the non-secure, commercial app Signal and the issue dominated a hearing on Capitol Hill. Nick Schifrin reports. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders…
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1 Administration trying to avoid that Signal chat is massive security breach, Goldberg says 6:45
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Details about U.S. military strikes being discussed on Signal have shocked many in the national security community. But President Trump called the whole episode a "witch hunt" and said Defense Secretary Hegseth "had nothing to do with this." Geoff Bennett discussed more with Jeffrey Goldberg, editor-in-chief of the Atlantic and moderator of Washington Week. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders…
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1 ‘Just own it’: GOP Rep. Bacon says Signal chat contained classified info 7:19
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To discuss the Signal chat on military strikes, Amna Nawaz spoke with Republican Rep. Don Bacon of Nebraska. He spent nearly three decades in the U.S. Air Force, retiring as a brigadier general. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders
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1 News Wrap: Appeals court upholds block on Trump deportations under Alien Enemies Act 5:49
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In our news wrap Wednesday, an appeals court upheld a ban on the deportation of hundreds of immigrants under the Alien Enemies Act, President Trump has announced new 25 percent tariffs on all foreign-made automobiles and the Supreme Court in Brazil ordered former President Bolsonaro to stand trial on charges that he attempted a coup to stay in power three years ago. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders…
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1 Supreme Court upholds Biden regulation making ghost guns easier to trace 4:03
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The Supreme Court upheld Biden-era regulations on ghost guns. Those are firearms that can be put together at home with partially assembled kits, making them nearly impossible to trace. Sales of those guns exploded after they came onto the market and their use in gun crimes also rose significantly. Amna Nawaz discussed more with Jennifer Mascia of The Trace, which covers gun violence in America. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders…
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1 CDC the latest federal agency to face leadership shakeup and cuts 6:11
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President Trump has put into place a very different team than his predecessors when it comes to public health and research. The CDC is very much in the thick of it. Five senior leaders at the CDC have announced their departures and staff are anticipating cuts that could affect as much as a third of its workforce. Geoff Bennett discussed more with Lena Sun of The Washington Post. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders…
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1 NPR and PBS heads face sharp questioning about federal funding during House hearing 6:55
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On Capitol Hill, the heads of America’s public media networks, PBS and NPR, faced sharp questioning by a House oversight subcommittee about allegations of bias and why their work justifies continued federal support. That support also helps fund programs like the News Hour. President Trump, Elon Musk and many Republicans have argued those funds should be completely cut. William Brangham reports. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders…
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1 Ex-NIH director and truck driver explore how to bridge divisions deepened by the pandemic 9:59
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Americans were sharply divided over the public health response to COVID-19, including masking, remote learning, business closures and vaccines. Five years after the start of the pandemic, Judy Woodruff sat down with two people on opposing sides of that divide trying to figure out how to move forward. It's part of her series, America at a Crossroads. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders…
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1 Democrats grill Trump officials on why they used a commercial app to discuss war plans 6:14
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A typically ordinary Senate hearing on threats to the U.S. became contentious following news of a major national security breach. Jeffrey Goldberg, the editor-in-chief of The Atlantic, revealed Monday that he was accidentally put into a chat on Signal with top officials as they discussed military strikes in Yemen. Two of those officials testified in the Senate hearing. Lisa Desjardins reports. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders…
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1 News Wrap: Ukraine and Russia reach agreement on safe navigation of Black Sea 4:24
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In our news wrap Tuesday, Ukraine and Russia say they've reached an agreement to ensure safe navigation in the Black Sea and to take steps toward a limited ceasefire, the Oscar-winning Palestinian director of the documentary "No Other Land" was released by Israeli authorities a day after soldiers detained him in the occupied West Bank and the Unification Church was ordered to dissolve in Japan. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders…
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1 Trump nominee to lead Social Security Administration faces questions about potential cuts 4:25
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President Trump’s nominee to lead the Social Security Administration faced tough questions on Capitol Hill about the future of the agency. Elon Musk and his team from DOGE had already started cutting staff and making other changes before a federal judge blocked them late last week. Laura Barrón-López reports. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders…
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1 Sudan’s military takes central Khartoum from RSF rebels as civil war nears 2 years 5:50
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After nearly two years of civil war between Sudan’s army and the paramilitary Rapid Support Forces, there is a potential turning point. The army has recaptured the presidential palace and the center of Khartoum. Both sides are credibly accused of war crimes and the U.S. has accused the paramilitaries of committing genocide. William Brangham discussed more with Declan Walsh of The New York Times. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders…
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1 Finland’s president says ‘time to be hard’ with Russia amid threats to Europe 10:18
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After three days of separate talks with the U.S., Ukraine and Russia say they have reached a deal to ensure safe navigation in the Black Sea and take steps toward a limited ceasefire by halting strikes on energy facilities. Geoff Bennett spoke with Finnish President Alexander Stubb about the agreement, the ongoing threat from Russia and broader U.S.-Europe relations. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders…
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1 What happens to DNA data of millions as 23andMe files bankruptcy? 5:10
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The bankruptcy of 23andMe is raising concerns about the future of its DNA information. Once a pioneer in the genetic testing industry, the company faced backlash after hackers leaked user data in 2023. Now, millions could see their genetic data dealt in a potential sale. Geoff Bennett discusses the implications with Ginny Fahs of Consumer Reports. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders…
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1 A look at the history of public media in the U.S. as Republicans target federal funding 8:28
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President Trump voiced his support for defunding America's public broadcasters. It comes a day before the heads of PBS and NPR testify before a House subcommittee. The hearing will examine public media with calls for federal funding cuts growing louder. That funding, in part, helps support the work of PBS News. William Brangham explains how public media is funded and how we got to this point. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders…
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1 Graydon Carter reflects on the golden age of magazines in ‘When the Going Was Good’ 7:03
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Graydon Carter rose through the ranks at Time, Life, Spy, The New York Observer and Vanity Fair, becoming known for his sharp wit and keen eye for talent. Under his leadership, Vanity Fair transformed into a cultural juggernaut. Geoff Bennett spoke with Carter about his new memoir, “When the Going Was Good: An Editor's Adventures During the Last Golden Age of Magazines." PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders…
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1 Balance of power in focus at federal hearing as Trump’s showdown with judiciary continues 5:22
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The Trump administration challenged a judge’s decision to stop the deportations using a rare wartime authority. The three-judge panel has yet to rule, but two of the judges appeared to agree the judiciary does have the authority to review President Trump’s actions. It’s the latest chapter in the showdown between the president and the judiciary. White House correspondent Laura Barrón-López reports. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders…
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1 Ukraine war grinds on as sticking points slow partial ceasefire negotiations 3:03
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U.S. negotiators held talks with a Russian delegation in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, on a proposed partial ceasefire in Ukraine. It comes one day after the negotiators met with a Ukrainian delegation. Both countries have agreed in principle to a temporary ceasefire, but major sticking points remain. Geoff Bennett reports. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders…
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1 News Wrap: Turkey police crack down on protests that erupted after arrest of Erdogan rival 4:18
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In our news wrap Monday, police in Turkey cracked down on protests and dissent that began after the arrest of one of President Erdogan’s main political rivals, more aid groups have come under fire in the escalating violence in the Gaza Strip, Dr. Susan Monarez has been nominated to head the CDC and former U.S. Rep. Mia Love has died. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders…
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1 Top Trump officials accidentally included reporter in Yemen strike chat on commercial app 5:44
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Senior Trump administration officials used the commercial messaging app Signal to debate the pros and cons of launching military strikes against the Houthis in Yemen and accidentally invited Jeffrey Goldberg, editor-in-chief of The Atlantic and Washington Week moderator, to be part of the chat. Goldberg revealed the details in a report for The Atlantic and joined Amna Nawaz to discuss more. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders…
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1 War plans security breach is a ‘danger’ that ‘must be investigated,’ Panetta says 5:14
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National security officials discussed military plans in a Signal group chat that mistakenly included The Atlantic editor-in-chief Jeffrey Goldberg, according to a report published on Monday. To discuss the revelation and the national security implications, Geoff Bennett spoke with Leon Panetta, the former defense secretary and director of the Central Intelligence Agency. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders…
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1 Former EPA administrators describe impact of ending regulations, slashing agency 8:55
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President Trump's efforts to overhaul the Environmental Protection Agency are being cheered by many in the fossil fuel industry who are critics of what they say is excessive regulation. But many, including scientists and environmentalists, are deeply concerned. William Brangham discussed more with two former EPA administrators, Christine Todd Whitman and Gina McCarthy. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders…
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1 What justices said during a critical Supreme Court hearing on redistricting and race 5:01
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The U.S. Supreme Court heard arguments in a key redistricting case that could reshape how states draw districts by race. A group of voters identifying as "non-African American" argues Louisiana's congressional map, which created two majority-Black districts after a federal court found the previous one discriminatory, is biased toward Black voters. Geoff Bennett speaks with Amy Howe of SCOTUSblog. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders…
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1 How Trump’s funding freeze is affecting American farmers 7:37
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Since taking office in January, the Trump administration has moved to cancel or freeze trillions in federal funding. That includes billions in funding from the U.S. Department of Agriculture. William Brangham reports on how the funding freeze is affecting farmers. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders…
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1 Tamara Keith and Amy Walter on the political impact of the U.S. war plans breach 5:58
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NPR’s Tamara Keith and Amy Walter of the Cook Political Report with Amy Walter join Amna Nawaz to discuss the latest political news, including Trump officials accidentally share war plans with a journalist, how Republicans are responding to the breach and thousands attend rallies by Sen. Bernie Sanders and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez as Democrats try to find a footing in opposing Trump. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders…
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Israeli forces are carrying out ground operations in Gaza after days of aerial bombardment, as Israel tries to pressure Hamas into freeing the remaining hostages. The Gaza Health Ministry says the death toll in the 18 months since the war began has surpassed 50,000, with nearly 700 people killed since the ceasefire collapsed this past week. John Yang speaks with UNICEF’s Rosalia Bollen for more. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders…
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