Cults and cult-like organizations are front and center in society today—as they should be. We are becoming more aware of the insidious abuse perpetrated by programs that are supposed to help young people in the Troubled Teen Industry. Combining true crime, cult recovery, and a lot of dry, dark humor, the On the Emmis podcast unpacks and unveils the inner workings of Enthusiastic Sobriety Programs created by Bob Meehan and other high control groups. We'll have bi-monthly episodes that dive de ...
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Seeking Over Striving - Christian Entrepreneur, Financial Freedom, Social Media Strategies, Online Business, Side Hustle
Beth Nygard-Christian Life & Business Coach for Burnt-out CEOs
Do you want to slow down and seek God in your business but don’t know what that actually looks like or where to begin? Are you sick of the side hustle, obsessing about how to make more money, and constantly strategizing about social media, content creation, and maketing? Would you love to have more time in the day to get your to-do list crossed off, to rest, and to be more present with your family? Do you know you need to do things differently but trying to figure it feels too overwhelming b ...
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24. Why we get burnt out trying to make more money and grow on social media.
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As an entrepreneur, the whole point of having a business is to make money and be successful, correct? As a Christian, we also know that choosing God’s will is our ultimate purpose in life, so how do we do both? What if God calls you do to something that isn’t going to be successful by the world's standards? What if the business He calls you to, or …
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23. Financial Security: How to have peace when you don't know the next step of the plan.
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In this episode we’ll chat about financial security. Is it REALLY security, or a false sense of security? Do you get nervous when you don’t know the entire blueprint, then start controlling or over planning? Are you afraid to take the risk when God calls you to act on something without showing you the end game? Let's renew our money mindset and sen…
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22. Living out God's promises during the drama of economic stress, election year, and personal discouragements.
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Is your nevrous system stuck in fight or flight mode? Are you constantly waiting for the other shoe to drop? When we are waiting for the bad thing to happen, we are tricking ourselves into thinking that we can predict the future. Only God is sovereign. We do not hold the power to predict the future so why do we try to? As a Christian entrepreneur i…
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21. The difference between manifestation and positive mindset: How scripture verses and Truth can change our thought patterns and attitudes.
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Have you tried manifesting? Do you have a vision board in place? Have things worked out the way you have wanted them to? Or do you feel like not matter what you manifest, it doesnt matter. If you don't believe in manifesting, do you feel like you are stuck in certain thought patterns? Do you think you are just wired a certain way and you cannot cha…
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20. Using the armor of God against burnout, fear, financial stress, and anxiety.
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Please open your Bible and follow along with me (if you're able) for scripture encouragment! Ephesians 6:10-20 talks about the armor of God, and in this episode I will talk about it how we can use it against the stress of entrepreneurship. Today's stressors, social media pressures, burnout, economic uncertainties, and the constant hustle to make mo…
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19.Three reasons why you don't say "NO," and the secret to setting boundaries.
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Do you say yes to every opportunity? Is it hard for you to say no, even when you know you should? Whether you're a #boundaryboss or you suck at having boundaries, chances are you still say "yes" to things you shouldn't. If you are burnt out, overwhelmed, and tired of carrying a plate that is way too full, this episode is for you babe! It's time to …
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18. If you’re sick of feeling burnt out, it’s time to put your identity in Christ so you can stop stressing about money.
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Today we are talking about identity. Where is yours rooted? Your business? Wealth? Success? Material things? Your kids? Your social media following? Or is it rooted in Christ? If you would've asked me I would have said of course it's rooted in being the daughter of the King…but my perception of my loyalty was greatly skewed and God had to knock me …
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17. Sick of hustling to make more money? Try this strategy instead.
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Tired of constantly planning, strategizing, and stressing about how you're going to make more money? Is this hustle for your dream life and your vision board making you feel exhausted, and actually, resentful? Are you sick of feeling like everyone is killing it and you're over here treading water? How many 7-figure business coaching courses have yo…
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BONUS EPISODE:Confessions of an Entrepreneur-Hustle, Burnout, Wealth, Sobriety & Bible Study
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I was trying to figure out how to update everyone on all the things on my Instagram and couldn't do it so here it is on this podcast episode! I am super excited for all the work things coming ahead: Faith-Led Coaching for Christian Entrepreneurs, a Bible Study Course, a Daily Devotional Journal, a memoir (eek!!!), and a Non-Profit..... oh my.... An…
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16. Overwhelmed, Frustrated, and Ready to Quit? Biblical Encouragement to Keep Going!
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Are you at a breaking point where you want to throw in the towel and quit your job? Do you feel overwhelmed, out of alignment, and trapped in what you're doing in your calling? I have felt this way too many times and God showed me loud and clear it's a result of me NOT obeying His commands 100%. I had subconciously tried to compromise and manipulat…
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15. Being Authentic and Vulnerable on Instagram: What Content to Post on Social Media and Why.
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In a world where social media seems like a matrix of fake perfection, how do we know if and when we should post the downfalls of entrepreneurship? Do you look at everyone else's accounts and think they have it all figured out? Does it leave you feeling like you are a failure? Does the perfection we see on social make you feel like you can't get you…
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14. Feeling stuck? Encouragement to push past the fear and doubt so you can trust God and step into your faith-led purpose.
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Are you feeling stuck? Is fear, doubt, and the the unknown keeping you from making necessary moves to step into your God-given purpose? Do you need to have all the answers infront of you before taking action? What are you gripping tight to that is keeping you from what God wants to give you? In this episode I talk about the pain of letting go and s…
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13. The Importance of Making More Money to Make a Kingdom Impact.
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This episode is fresh from me returning from our mission trip to the Dominican Republic! There are so many things God showed me there that I get to share with you! One major thing was the importance of making money and it's role in making a kingdom impact. It's true that we don't want to idolize money, but it is also true that it is a necessary too…
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12. Aligning Your To-Do List With Your God Given Purpose
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In this episode of "Seeking Over Striving," we dive into the importance of setting boundaries and realigning your daily tasks with God's will. I will guides you through a heart audit to evaluate all the priorities in your life, helping you understand why you're doing what you're doing and if it truly serves God's purpose. I shares my personal journ…
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11. Is Your Dream House on Your Vision Board? Focusing on the Eternal Over the Temporal.
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I'm cool with vision boards and dreaming about the "perfect forever home," but our minds should always be laser focused on dwelling in the house of the Lord forever. Surely goodness and love will follow me all the days of my life, and I will dwell in the house of the Lord forever. Psalm 23:6 NIV This is such a beautiful end to this chapter and I lo…
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10. Searching for Abundance? You'll Find it at God's Table and P.S. You're Invited
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Do you find yourself hustling,doing all the things, and striving to prove yourself? Guess what, you don't have to, you're already anointed by your Father. Where do you seek comfort when you're overwhelmed, burnt out, stressed, and feeling hopeless? Well good news babe, you don't need to meal prep tonight 'cause He's prepared a table for you! Ok bad…
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09. Trusting God Through the Valleys of Running a Small Business
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Psalm 23 - Bible Study Book with Video Access: The Shepherd With Me: Rothschild, Jennifer: 9781430093268: Amazon.com: Books You can get the Psalm 23 study I refernce in the link above! Enjoy! Pop in the FB group and let us know how you are liking it if you decide to go through the study XOXO! Join the FREE private FB group- HERE The valleys of entr…
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BONUS: Getting Real About Struggling With Alcohol as a Christian Woman
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This bonus episode is my testimony of how I was finally able to fully surrender to God and give Him everything, including control of my business. I was stuck in sin, believing lies. limiting beliefs and carrying around guilt and shame. I didn't believe God would really show up for me, so I spent years hustling, trying to prove myself, and striving …
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08. Restoring Your Soul to Work for His Name's Sake
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What is your go-to when it comes to restoring your soul? Or what is your go-to when you're stressed, overwhelmed, not feeling good enough, or afraid? Do you strive to make more money? Do you try to control (which is sneaky self-sovereignty!) every detail in your business? Do you think stuff will make you feel better? Food? Alcohol? Vacation? Nothin…
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07.Seeking Satisfaction Beyond Money and Resting in Grace
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Are you striving for more money to feel secure, safe, and comfortable? Do you think you will rest when -fill in the blank- is done? Do you find yourself saying 'as soon as I am done with this thing I will feel better'? Or, 'as soon as I have this much in my bank account saved I won't worry about money'? Or, 'if I could just make money quickly right…
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BONUS: Going All in With God-Biblical Encouragement for Christian Women in Business
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Do you feel like you're all in with God? Or do you feel like you're in it for the money? What is your biggest inspiration as a Christian Entrepreneur? In a modern world that worships wealth, strives for fame and finds inspiration on social media, it's easy to be distracted. On the constant quest to make money quickly, make money online so you can s…
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06. Psalm 23:How the Lord is Your Shepherd Through Entrepreneurship
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Hey, hey! In today's episode of Seeking Over Striving, I dive into the scripture encouragement of Psalm 23:1 and explore it's surprising relevance to the life of an entrepreneur. While originally planning to cover the entire chapter, I realized the depth in just the first verse: "The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want." Are you constantly thinki…
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05. Social Media Lies: A Guide to Mindful Scrolling, Boundaries, Time Management, and Limiting Beliefs
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In this episode, we delve into the impact of social media on our mental health, particularly focusing on the limiting beliefs and lies that it can implant in our minds. These falsehoods often stem from comparisons and unrealistic standards set by what we see online, leading us to feel inadequate and overwhelmed. We explore the personal journey of o…
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04. Finding Peace in Prosperity: Make More Money Stress Free!
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Welcome to the latest episode of Seeking Over Striving! This time, Beth dives deep into how to make money stress-free by putting your trust in God. If you're a Christian entrepreneur feeling the pressure of the boss babe culture, constantly striving for more, and hitting burnout, this episode is for you. Discover how to build your faith, see God in…
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03.Finding Identity in Christ, Not Your Business
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Welcome to Seeking Overstriving. Do you constantly think about how to make more money? Are you uncontent and always searching for more? Do you know you need to slow down and see God in your business, but don't? Hey, I'm Beth, and I too was a Christian entrepreneur trapped in the cycle of boss babe culture. Like you, I felt the pressure of six figur…
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02.The Manifestation Myth: Finding True Freedom in God's Plan
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In this eye-opening episode, Beth debunks the popular belief in manifestation and emphasizes the importance of recognizing God's sovereignty over our lives. She shares her personal journey of moving from studio work to online business during the COVID-19 shutdown, and how this transition led her into the deceptive world of social media and the "bos…
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01. Breaking Free from the Hustle: A Christian Entrepreneur's Journey
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Welcome to the inaugural episode of "Seeking Over Striving." I'm Beth, and I'm thrilled to have you join me on this journey. In this episode, I share my personal story of burnout and how a heart-to-heart with God transformed my approach to business and life. For 20 years, I've been an entrepreneur, caught in the relentless cycle of hustle and striv…
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Agape Boarding School Survivor: Robert Bucklin // Surviving Institutionalized Abuse
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CONTENT AND TRIGGER WARNING: Discussion of physical, sexual, psychological and emotional abuse of children This week I'm talking to Robert Bucklin, a survivor of the Agape Boarding School for Boys in Stockton Missouri. Robert's story is heartbreaking, horrifying, and infuriating. Now he's working to end the abuse at Agape Boarding School, and he's …
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Janja Lalich, Ph.D.: Life and recovery after leaving Enthusiastic Sobriety programs
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I had the best time talking to Dr. Janja Lalich. Janja is a researcher, author, and educator specializing in cults and extremist groups, with a particular focus on charismatic relationships, political and other social movements, ideology and social control, and issues of gender and sexuality. She has been a consultant to educational, mental health,…
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Anti-MLM stories: Danielle Bolster, LMHC // From Huns to Humans
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This week I sit down for a delightful conversation with Danielle Bolster, Licensed Mental Health Counselor. Danielle has her own podcast, "From Huns to Humans" where she talks about the detrimental effects of multi-level marketing on mental health. We talk about toxic diet culture, the allure and danger of "supplements", and the pressure women espe…
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Caroline and Meg, co-CEOs of UnSilenced: Creating real change in the "troubled teen" industry
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Meet Caroline Cole and Meg Applegate! They are survivors and the co-CEOs of Unsilenced, a grassroots movement of survivors and advocates speaking out about institutionalized child abuse in the troubled teen industry. Bob Meehan’s enthusiastic sobriety programs are only one example of an abusive adolescent “drug abuse” program. Unsilenced is working…
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Jo-Anne Liakakos, LPC: A licensed therapist weighs in on ES Programs
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This week I’m talking to Jo-Anne Liakakos, MA, LPC, NCC, CPCS of Major Counseling Solutions and Consulting in Alpharetta, GA. I wanted to interview Jo-Anne since she is a therapist and counselor who works with adolescents with substance use and general life issues, as well as adults with eating and personality disorders (and a bunch of other stuff)…
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Survivor Story with Cindy - The Insight Program, Atlanta, Georgia: Abusive relationships after you leave
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This week I talk to Cindy, a survivor of the Insight Program in Atlanta. A common thread of survivors of any abusive high-control group is that they continue to find themselves in abusive relationships after they leave. Cindy wanted to tell her story to help others who may currently be in an abusive relationship or recovering from one in the past. …
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Survivor Conversation with Mike Harper - The Crossroads Program, St. Louis, Missouri
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This week Mike and I are live on Twitch talking about Dr. Steve Hassan's BITE model. Check out Dr. Hassan's website here: https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model/ We started with the "B" in BITE: Behavior Control. It didn't take long for us to come to the conclusion that enthusiastic sobriety programs are, in fact, a cult. Enjoy! Wan…
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Hyde School Survivor Part One: Rachel - The Hyde School, Woodstock Campus
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What do cold food, forced exercise, and being blindfolded and walked into the woods in a blizzard have in common? They're all used as forms of punishment at the Hyde School in Bath, Maine! This week's guest is a survivor of the Hyde School's Woodstock campus that has since been shut down. But before you high five us, they are still operating in oth…
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Survivor Story: Creator of the "Jim Jones" Facebook page - The Pathway Program, Phoenix, Arizona
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This week I interview the notorious "Jim Jones". Jim Jones was a Facebook account that popped up circa 2007 and blew up overnight. Jim Jones was speaking the truth about enthusiastic sobriety programs, and people were listening. It was the first place on Facebook for survivors to connect and tell their stories. Our movement would not be where it is…
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Daniel Kolitz, author of "The Love Bomb" (Part One)
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In this interview, Daniel and I talk about the article that took over his life for 3 years: The Love Bomb. He explains how he stumbled on the story, and what it was like interviewing survivors of Bob Meehan's programs. We discuss Bob’s shady past that no one can quite verify or explain and whether or not him starting a cult was intentional or accid…
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Anti-MLM stories: Cory Perry-That Anti MLM Girl
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Today I'm talking to Cory Perry, the famous Anti MLM Girl. We talk about how YouTube taught her about MLMs, and how they are similar to Bob Meehan's enthusiastic sobriety programs. I interview members of the anti-MLM community because MLM indoctrination is a part of my story, and the philosophies are very similar. We talk about Steve Hassan's BITE …
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Updates for December 2021: Hotline! Daniel Kolitz! And much more...
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A quick update on our new text/voicemail hotline, Daniel Kolitz's episode and some other random stuff.By On The Emmis Podcast
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Survivor Story: Susanna Eller- The Insight Program, Augusta, Georgia
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Happy day after Thanksgiving! Heat up some leftovers and tune in to Susanna Eller. Susanna joined the group in 1999 in Augusta, Georgia. After 20 years of being in recovery, Susanna decided to look deeper at the diagnosis of alcoholic she received and figure out if she really needed to be "sober". We talk about the genesis of the Augusta group and …
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Sex and Relationships with Lauren Wortman-Survivor of The Insight Program, Augusta, Georgia
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This week I talk to Lauren about her experience in the group, and more specifically about how the staff talked about sex and relationships. Spoiler alert: it's super weird. Don't skip the intro because I make some important announcements about our new platform and some changes to the podcast you won't want to miss! TW: suicide, sexuality, sexual id…
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Survivor Story: Bob Fleming-The Insight Program, Greensboro, North Carolina
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This week we talk with Bob Fleming and hear about his time in enthusiastic sobriety programs in Greensboro, North Carolina, starting at 14 years old. He talks about struggling to manage his diabetes because he was called "attention seeking" for needing to eat and sleep regularly, what graduation was like, and what he still deals with now from his t…
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Survivor Story: Blake-The Insight Program in Greensboro, NC
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This week Liz and Jacqueline talk to Blake, a survivor of The Insight Program, and enthusiastic sobriety abuse program in Greensboro, North Carolina. We explore the program's strict policy of taking clients off of mental health medications cold turkey, their twisted philosophy of "No victims, only volunteers", and the notorious "Let Go, Let God" da…
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What is "The Group"? (or, what are enthusiastic sobriety programs?)
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Jacqueline and her guest host talk about "The Group" from a member and staff perspective. Enthusiastic sobriety programs are adolescent substance abuse programs started by Bob Meehan and are located in Roswell, Georgia, Peachtree City, Georgia, Tampa, Florida, Greensboro, Raleigh, and Charlotte, North Carolina, St. Louis and Kansas City, Missouri, …
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