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Much of Pre-Nicene Christian history has been altered, erased and in many cases, completely fabricated. But with every episode of Pre-Nicene Perspective we take you closer to the truth through the prism of The Very First Bible of 144 A.D. Hosted by Presbyter Darren Kelama with theological assistance from MarcioniteChurch.org The original, unedited Christian canon of the first bible serves as the cornerstone on which our programming is based. Join host Darren Kelama and the PCTV team every we ...
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Storied is a podcast that tells stories about faith and failure. And sometimes it recounts stories that are so ridiculous that they seem more fitted to Monty Python than to real life. So, listen in to learn about the past, to enjoy a good story, and to know more than you did before.
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The relationship between Jews and Christians is critical to Jewish identity and self understanding since Jewish life has been both negatively and positively impacted by Christianity. This podcast explores this topic by looking into the past with the hope of forging a positive understanding in the future. Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/juan-marcos-gutierrez0/support
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Four years after banning RNA injections, MarcioniteChurch.org is recommending parents expecting the birth of a child to invoke a religious exemption against the Guthrie test (heel prick test) which involves the use of a lancet to collect blood from the newborn. Once again we find evil hiding in plain sight and the ramifications are stunning. Show n…
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As the faithful yearn for unedited, authentic scripture and canon, we explore the history and contents of the first Christian bible ever published. Produced in conjunction with the Marcionite Christian Church (MarcioniteChurch.org), this special episode serves as the official content guide and overview of The Very First Bible 144 A.D. The Very Firs…
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Today we reconstruct mass just as it would have been celebrated in the 2nd century by the Pre-Nicene Christians and as outlined in the liturgical guide 'Mass, Baptisms and Prayers of the First Christians,' published by the Marcionite Christian Church (MarcioniteChurch.org). Overview: In many ways, this mass is reflective of the widespread persecuti…
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Today we deconstruct Romans Chapter 7 and the Apostle Paul's disturbing account of what happened to him as a result of reading the books and laws in the Old Testament/Torah books. The Pre-Nicene Christians took this warning to heart - should you? KJV https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Romans-Chapter-7/ The Very First Bible https://www.theveryfirs…
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The shape and motion of the earth, the origin of life, who is God and what is his name? These are all big concepts to be sure - but what about another one? What about what year is it, really? Buckle up for an explanation that may have you celebrating like it's 1995 - again. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Incarnation-Jesus-Christ https://en.wikipe…
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As genocide is invoked in their name, Judeo-Christians are making a clean break from Yahweh the desert war god and its death cult. What began as a brief comment from Israeli PM Netanyahu regarding a link between a Torah character named Amalek and the ethnic-cleansing of Palestinians has ignited a firestorm of theological controversy. In today's epi…
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It's a question that Christian churches and denominations of all stripes would rather you didn't think about, much less ask out loud. It's a question that theologians and biblical scholars have struggled to answer for millenia, and none with any success. How is it that a man who thousands of books, billions of words and millions of letters have bee…
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Almost 2,000 years ago, Saint Marcion of Sinope and Pope Pius I stood inside a marble foyer in Rome and hurled invectives at each other - each castigating the other with charges of being a wild-eyed heretic. It was a showdown that would forever change the course of Christianity and continues to impact people to this day. Show notes and links: https…
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Sometimes an infestation of parasites is so thorough and overwhelming that the host doesn't even get to keep its original name. In Part 1 of today's episode we explore the recent creation and destructive history of the word 'Judeo-Christian' and the Messianic Jew who sold it around the world. Joseph Wolff https://www.encyclopedia.com/religion/encyc…
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Hiding in plain sight: In today's episode we take a closer look at the prologues preceding each of the original ten epistles of the apostle Paul and explore the effect of removing them from today's Judeo-Christian bibles. In removing and perverting context does it have the effect of aiding a larger deception? Links mentioned during the episode: The…
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What actually inspired Torah prophecies that were later stapled onto the Christian bible - what was the source of these visions that these Yahweh prophets were having? The answer may be surprising and leave you very concerned. Notes: https://zoboko.com/book/no9dvwyv/dmt-and-the-soul-of-prophecy-a-new-science-of-spiritual-revelation-in-the-hebrew-bi…
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They say that good things take time - and great things take even longer. And such has been the case with the canonization of one of the most important and transformative figures in Pre-Nicene Christian history. Within theological circles, he's known as the real-life Indiana Jones and after almost 2,000 years he's now known as a saint. In today's ep…
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They say the victors write the history books and that becomes painfully clear as we look back on the era of Pre-Nicene Christianity. In today's episode of Pre-Nicene Perspective we show you the history and timeline that Judeo-Christians fought so hard to erase - and how the Council of Nicaea turned Christianity upside down. “Who controls the past c…
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Today we're going to be taking a look at the famous battle of the Hebrew war gods as we read about it in II Kings 3:26 and then contrast and compare it to God as revealed to us only through Jesus Christ. Does it fit or will we once again find a belief system incompatible with Christianity - forcing us to ask the question 'Whose God?' Notes: The Ver…
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Is human sacrifice compatible with the teachings of Christ? Apparently it is if you believe what's written in the Old Testament is the 'word of God.' In today's episode we deconstruct Judges 11:30-39 and find out exactly 'Whose God? they're talking about. Judges 11 https://biblia.com/bible/esv/judges/11 Idomeneus: The Greek General Who Sacrificed H…
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At first glance it seems like a simple question but even staffers at FBN were taken aback by just how deep the rabbit hole went. On this episode of Pre-Nicene Perspective no sacred cow is spared and no narrative goes unexplored as we deliver the answer. Topics discussed in the episode: Arrival of Jesus and the Eclipse: https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov…
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As a satanic wave sweeps across the West, millions of people are scouring the scriptures in a desperate search for direction and answers. In today's episode we help you avoid a tricky theological trap. Links mentioned in the show: https://www.marcionitechurch.org/antithesis.html https://www.theveryfirstbible.org The First New Testament by Professor…
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If you're handling snakes and drinking poison because of a verse you read in the Judeo-Christian bible, you need to stop immediately and listen to this podcast. Mark 16:18 isn't what you think it is. https://www.christianpost.com/news/snake-handling-christians-faith-prophecy-and-obedience.html https://www.theveryfirstbible.org https://www.nationalg…
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Can Christians appreciate the Torah for anything other than bolstering their understanding of the New Testament? It's a difficult question, but I believe that an impasse exists unless it can be achieved. Many Christians embrace the historical context of their faith but quickly dismiss the logical development of rabbinic thought as one of the legiti…
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What's the true cost of stapling the alien writings of the Hebrew Torah and its carnal deity onto our Christian bible? Even mainstream pastors are beginning to recognize the problem while using words like 'unhitch' when discussing it. In today's episode we look at how we got here and why so many denominations are failing. https://www.pewforum.org/2…
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A recent listener objected to my podcast and suggested that I was unfairly characterizing all Christians in relation to negative attitudes towards the Torah and in some cases anti-Judaism and anti-Semitism. Have I done so? I explain why I don't believe that is the case and what the motivation for this podcast is. --- Send in a voice message: https:…
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In our previous episode, we discussed the odd fact that Marcion's complete disassociation of the New Testament with the God of the Hebrew Bible or "Old Testament" in Christian parlance actually left Judaism intact as it were. Christian theologians of the second century onward opted to retain the "Old Testament" as part of their canon but at a surpr…
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For Marcion, the Christian God was completely distinct from the God of the Jews. A surprising result of Marcion’s radical position, strangely enough, is that they created such a division between Judaism and Christianity that the former was left intact with its understanding of the Divine, its sacred texts, and even its different interpretation of t…
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The early Christian movement in the 2nd century faced a problem. The idea of a relationship based apart from the Torah evolved into antagonism towards the Torah. This reality became exemplified and intensified in the ultimate battle over what was considered sacred Scripture. In this episode investigate this problem by first exploring a chilling leg…
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A memory, the historian Neil Oliver writes, is precious but fragile. Any attempt to reexamine it is fraught with difficulties. Reaching out and touching it can destroy it, just like an outstretched hand touching a reflection in a pool of water. Doing so sends ripples far beyond the point of impact. The same is the case for reconsidering anti-Judais…
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I reached out to Dr. Michael Heiser several years ago. He is a well-known author and a student of ancient biblical languages and near eastern history. During our friendly email exchange, I mentioned my inter-faith endeavors as a rabbi to address Christian anti-Semitism. His response was quite surprising and made me consider how extensive the proble…
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Fifteen Russian generals prayed at the cemetery in Lyubavichi, the town credited with the birthplace of Chabad. Why is this significant? The Eastern Churches, i.e. Greek, Ukrainian, Russian, Armenian, etc., have never embraced a reconsideration of supercessionism or replacement theology. The practice of praying at a gravesite is actually common to …
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The reality of historic Christian ant-Judaism and anti-Semitism cannot be ignored or dismissed though it often is. As difficult as it is for most sincere Christians to acknowledge, elements of Christianity have generated and spread hatred of Jews. This is not a matter of personal opinion. It's something that academics, Jewish historians, and most i…
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The persistent use of the term “Old Testament” is a foremost source of the tension between the two communities. Interestingly, the extent to which the term is widespread can be seen how even in Jewish academic institutions, the term is often used perhaps begrudgingly. The continued use of the term simultaneously as the compulsion to convey the Old …
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The scholar Gabriele Boccaccini has pointed out that Jewish bricks do not mean that the house itself is Jewish. I can think of no better instance than the Church’s incorporation of the Hebrew Bible and yet it’s adoption of so different a trajectory. My interpretation of Boccaccini’s approach is that Christianity is a Judaic system bereft of Jewishn…
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In our previous episode, we discussed a critical passage in the New Testament that is typically viewed as anti-Jewish and anti-Semitism. I made mention of Martin Buber's Tales of the Hasidim and a specific story included that is titled "Satan's Hasidim." The story might provide a possible understanding of an alternative reading to passages in the N…
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This is a :30 trailer for the audio that will outro most of FBN's upcoming podcasts. It comes on the heels of an episode we did which lays out the stark choice we are all given when reading Galatians chapter two regarding the gospel (and bible) meant for us. The beginning of the track references a verse in Ezekiel and lays bare the antithesis betwe…
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Rudolf Bultmann, a professor of the New Testament at the University of Marburg, like many theologians had a choice. He could alter his understanding of Jews and the Torah in light of having lived through the Shoah, i.e., the Holocaust, or he could continue as if nothing had happened. He believed that the Torah and the "Old Testament" were no longer…
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The bible isn't the only thing that changed in the 4th century and in this episode we look at the genesis of the cross as a symbol and explore a new way to reconnect with the Pre-Nicene Christians and learn the meaning behind the first Christian symbol, the Chi Rho. Links mentioned during the episode: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chi_Rho https://s…
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The foundation for historic Christian anti-Judaism and anti-Semitism has been deicide, i.e., the charge that Jews killed G-d incarnate. But what about another perspective. Are Christians guilty of attempting to kill the foundation for Jewish identity? As we have noted, many Christians have acknowledged the tragic history and involvement of Christia…
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Before I began my academic in Jewish studies and my interest in Jewish-Christian dialogue, I witnessed antipathy towards Judaism by many Christians. It left me bewildered as to how individuals who purportedly claimed their faith was based on the Hebrew Bible and Jewish ideas could nevertheless maintain anti-Jewish biases. One scholar who helped me …
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The relationship between Jews and Christians includes historical and theological elements. It also includes an emotional aspect that most often surpasses the former. The emotions go both ways. For Jews there is a natural emotional reaction connected to historic Christian anti-Semitism and anti-Judaism. Many Christians, however, hold or retain very …
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This is the first episode of our second season. We now turn our attention to the topic of anti-Judaism and anti-Semitism in Christianity. Most Christians would never consider themselves as holding anti-Semitic views. But anti-Semitic and anti-Jewish views often exist in latent form and in the most unexpected places. --- Send in a voice message: htt…
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As the rabbi of two small communities, I interact with a wide range of individuals. While the communities are small, there are always visitors. Some are Christians or former Christians moving towards Judaism. Some are Jews who for various reasons embraced Christianity. Both types of individuals often include those with less than glowing views of th…
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The Clementine Recognitions and the Clementine Homilies in particular embraced a very different Christology than that of emerging Christian Orthodoxy. The bifurcation of God has been argued to have reflected a more authentic and ancient Jewish approach to the question of Christology. The Recognitions and the Homilies reveal however that while "bini…
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The Clementine literature represents many intriguing perspectives on several key ideas that were contrary to the orthodoxy of Christianity in the third and fourth centuries. The Talmud records debates regarding Reshuyot, i.e., Two Powers in Heaven, and many of these occurrences may reflect the perspectives of groups that supported the messianic cla…
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At the request of a listener, in this episode we briefly review something I mentioned previously but did not elaborate on. The Maharal's interpretation of Psalm 90 may provide us some sense of how the Clementine Literature derived its unique christology. The Maharal's view are interestingly similar to those of Philo of Alexandria. The Maharal's vie…
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The Maharal, i.e., Rabbi Judah Loew of Prague, commented on Psalm 90 and the inclusion of the phrase "ish-Elohim". The Maharal's views are interesting and in many ways parallel the views of literature the Second Temple Judaism including the Wisdom of Sirach, the Testament of Moses, and the Exagoge of Ezekiel. This may help us understand the perspec…
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How did the Clementines Homilies and the Clementines Recognitions to a lesser extent, adopt very different christologies than emerging Christian orthodoxy of their day? The answer, besides possibly relying on a unique tradition dating back to previous centuries, may lie in their approach to texts addressing exalted figures in Second Temple literatu…
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The Clementine Homilies adopted a Christology that was opposed to the emerging Christian orthodoxy of its day. Why did it adopt such a view? From the perspective of the author, they looked to a chain of tradition which ultimately dated back to the first century. Whether we accept this or not, an alternative should also be considered. Alternative un…
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The Clementine Homilies adopt a perspective that is radically different from emerging Christian orthodoxy. The Homilies focus on the role of the True Prophet as the primary role of the Messiah. His role is to properly interpret the Torah but it also to draw non-Jews to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The Clementine Homilies rejects the perspe…
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By now, its clear that the Clementines do not embrace many of the critical points associated with traditional Christian theology. There are undoubtedly points of contact and in the case of the Clementine Recognitions a suprising acceptance of a key facet of Christian thought. Nevertheless, the Clementines differ sufficiently in yet another area for…
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Despite the differences in the Clementine literature, they remain united on the validity of the Torah revealed to the Jewish people. Not only does this support the Torah's continuing importance for Jews and non-Jews who embraced this messianic movement. It also validates the continuation of Jewish identity. Hence the Homilies states, "As the we kno…
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We continue our review of the Clementine Recognitions. Despite some suprises, this text embraces a continuation of Torah observance for Jews and non-Jews to some extent. The non-Jews, however, represent a complicated issue for the author of this community. Their inclusion into this movement is necessary but has also causes chaos to arise. --- Send …
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There are two primary texts that form the core of the Clementine literature. The first is the Homilies. The second is the Recognitions. The two texts have much in agreement, but there are also significant differences. The Homilies rejects contemporary christological views that emphasize divine equivalence. The Recognitions in contrast adopt a more …
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