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Ep 12: God is Close to the Brokenhearted and Brings Victory to Pain an Interview with Jeff Nobert
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Jeff Nobert shares his journey of surrender, healing, and transformation through his experiences of business ownership, ministry involvement, childhood abuse, and marriage. His deep connection with God and the power of surrender are central themes in his story, revealing the transformative nature of faith and trust in God's plan. Jeff shares his jo…
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S3 E10: From Controlling Cult to Religious Rebel: Trading False Religion For The Real Jesus (w/Christy Lynne Wood)
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This week on the podcast, I am joined by Christy Lynne Wood, author of the book, "Religious Rebels", to talk about her experiences growing up in Bill Gothard's IBLP cult, the detrimental effects of both spiritual abuse and spiritual exploitation, and the freedom that comes with knowing the REAL Jesus. The conversation in this episode is inspired by…
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Ep 11: When Jesus Gives A Brand New Story an Interview with Philip Bloeser
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Philip Bloeser shares his childhood experiences growing up in a home with an alcoholic mother and a father who buried his pain. Despite the outward appearance of a normal life, Philip's home was filled with chaos, fights, and threats of significant loss. His mother's near-fatal car accident and subsequent addiction to alcohol and prescription pills…
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S3 E9: Faith That Was Fought For: A Faith of Wrestling, Questioning, and Critical Thinking (w/Andres Landaverde)
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This week on the podcast, I am joined by Andres Landaverde, a fellow church kid from my former church organization, to talk about the valuable role critical thinking plays in our faith, as well as the importance of being able to question and wrestle with our beliefs. The conversation in this episode is inspired by the topics and themes of my book "…
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Ep. 10: The Depths of The Father's Heart an Interview with Jenna Winston
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In this conversation, Sandi Derby interviews Jenna Winston, a former prophetic deliverance pastor at Bethel, about her journey of healing and freedom. Jenna shares her traumatic childhood, struggles with addiction, and her encounter with Jesus that led to her transformation. She discusses the importance of understanding the Father's heart and the l…
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S3 E8: When Your Church Protects A Pedophile (w/Rachel Schober)
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This week on the podcast, I am joined by Rachel Schober, a friend who shares her experiences dealing with both the emotional and spiritual aftermath of leaving her childhood church after discovering its leaders had been covering for a protecting a known pedophile for years. The conversation in this episode is inspired by the topics and themes of my…
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Ep 9: The Healing Power of God's Love an Interview with Karen Shaver
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Karen Shaver shares her journey of growing up in a dysfunctional home with a mentally ill mother and an abusive father. She discusses the impact of childhood trauma on her relationships and the cycle of abuse she found herself in. Karen describes her desperate search for peace and healing, including her experiences with therapy and her spiritual jo…
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S3 E7: When A Church Kid Realizes They're Being Manipulated (w/Aleah Policar)
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This week on the podcast, I am joined by Aleah Policar, a fellow church kid from my childhood church organization, to discuss the many different ways emotional manipulation and shame were used by her church and its leaders as a response to her not fitting the mold they needed her to. The conversation in this episode is inspired by the topics and th…
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Ep 8: Loving God with All Our Strength an Interview with Dr. David Diehl
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Dr. David Diehl, a chiropractor, discusses the importance of physical health in fulfilling one's purpose. He emphasizes the mind-body-spirit connection and the need to honor God with our bodies. Dr. Diehl explains the role of the nervous system in overall health and the importance of removing nerve interference through chiropractic care. He highlig…
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S3 E6: I Kissed Dating Goodbye... But Maybe I Didn't Have To. (w/Josh Harris)
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This week on the podcast, I am joined by Joshua Harris, author of the notorious book "I Kissed Dating Goodbye", to discuss the book's lasting impact, as well as the importance of recognizing when our beliefs are negatively affecting others and being able to change our minds. The conversation in this episode is inspired by the topics and themes of m…
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Ep 7: Understanding Intangible Losses and the Impact of Belief with Thera Storm
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In this conversation, Sandi Derby interviews Thera Storm, a licensed clinical social worker and grief recovery specialist. Thera shares her personal journey and the challenges she faced as a military spouse living in different parts of the world. She discusses the cultural differences in self-description and the impact of identity on her career. Th…
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S3 E5: How Toxic Churches Ruin Relationships (w/Shannon Leyko)
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This week on the podcast, I am joined by Shannon Leyko, a former member of our shared church organization, to talk all about relationships in the church, including the many ways our approach and dynamic with relationships was dictated and influenced by our church's teachings and culture. The conversation in this episode is inspired by the topics an…
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Ep: 6 Partnering with God's Heart an Interview with Cody and Tirsha Thornbury
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Cody and Tirsha Thornbury, lead pastors of Limitless Church, share their journey of faith and the growth of their church. They discuss the unexpected expansion of Limitless Church, including the establishment of a farm and a homeschool hybrid school. They also recount how they met and the impact of their mentor, Kim Clement. Cody and Tirsha emphasi…
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S3 E4: Ghosted By God - The Connection Between Spiritual Anxiety, Religious Trauma, and Authoritarian Control (w/Tiffany Yecke Brooks)
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This week on the podcast, I am joined by Tiffany Yecke Brooks, author of the book, "Holy Ghosted", to discuss the ways in which spiritual anxiety can be caused by the various methods churches and authoritarian leaders use to gain control. The conversation in this episode is inspired by the topics and themes of my book "A Jumble of Crumpled Papers".…
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Ep 5: From Darkness to Power an interview with Zach and Vanessa LaFontaine
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Zach and Vanessa LaFontaine share their journey from a life of darkness and addiction to encountering God's love and transformation. They discuss their experiences with New Age and witchcraft, the struggles they faced in their relationship, and the powerful encounter with Jesus that led to their baptism and the infilling of the Holy Spirit. Through…
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S3 E3: The Power Of Owning and Sharing Our Story (w/Aldo B. Martin)
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This week on the podcast, I am joined by Aldo B. Martin, host of "The Reclamation" Podcast, to discuss why it can be difficult coming to terms with our involvement in a high control religious environment, as well as recognizing the validity of our experiences and the inherent value of sharing our stories. The conversation in this episode is inspire…
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Ep 4: The impact of Emotional Health interview with Seth Dahl
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In this conversation, Seth Dahl owner of Spirit Led Families, Grief Recovery Method Specialist@ and owner of Jesus on Every Screen shares his personal testimony and discusses the importance of emotional health in parenting. He emphasizes the impact of parental influence on a child's perception of God and the need for parents to model a healthy emot…
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S3 E2: When The Church Makes You Their Poster Child (w/Meilyn Luo)
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This week on the podcast, I am joined by Mei Luo, who shares her experiences being groomed to be the poster child of her church's youth ministry, and the model of a perfect Christian, despite her church's simultaneous attempts to brush over and ignore her abusive home life. The conversation in this episode is inspired by the topics and themes of my…
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Ep 3: A Church Kid's Journey an Interview with Austin Noll
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In this conversation, Austin Noll, author, podcast host and Grief Recovery Specialist discusses his experiences growing up in a fear-based church environment and the impact it had on his relationship with God. He shares how the church's control and shame-based practices affected his view of himself and God. Austin also highlights the lack of freedo…
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S3 E1: Talking Back To Purity Culture (w/Rachel Joy Welcher)
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This week on the podcast, I am joined by Rachel Joy Welcher, author of the book, "Talking Back to Purity Culture", to discuss the roots and harmful effects of a shame and fear based approach to sexuality, as well as how we can change the narrative around purity and our sexual nature. The conversation in this episode is inspired by the topics and th…
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Ep2: Deconstructing with Curtis Reed
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Curtis Reed, an Advanced Grief Recovery Method Specialist and Transition Coach, shares his journey of healing and growth. He grew up in a broken home with addicted parents and experienced a toxic and dysfunctional environment. After hitting rock bottom, he found faith and joined a church community that initially provided support and transformation.…
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In this conversation, Sandi shares her personal journey of encountering the Father's heart and the transformative power of His love. She discusses her background of abuse and addiction, and how God intervened in her life. Sandi emphasizes the importance of healing and sanctification in the Christian journey, and the need to reflect the Father's hea…
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SPECIAL EPISODE: "Quiet On Set" - Toxic Churches and The Children's Television Industry
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In this episode of the podcast, Austin and Lian, the show's first returning guest, discussing the docu-series "Quiet On Set: The Dark Side of Children's Television", which gives a behind the scenes look into the abusive, toxic, and sometimes even heinous experiences of child actors on the sets of some of Nickelodeon's most popular tv shows in the 9…
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S2 E10: Deconstruction, Doubt, And The Value Of Questioning Our Beliefs (w/Liz Mall)
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This week on the podcast, I am joined by Liz Mall, host of the "Deconstructing The Myth" podcast, to discuss the role and value of deconstructing and questioning your beliefs, as well as discussing the characteristics and tenets that define a "responsible faith". The conversation in this episode is inspired by the topics and themes of my book "A Ju…
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S2 E9: The Bad Reputation Christians Give A Good God (w/Mary Jo Sharp)
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This week on the podcast, I am joined by Mary Jo Sharp, a professor of apologetics and author of the book, "Why I Still Believe", to discuss the ways both church's and Christian's hypocrisy and neglect of essential characteristics of God end up misrepresenting who he is. The conversation in this episode is inspired by the topics and themes of my bo…
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S2 E8: When A Church Kid Doesn't Become A "True Christian" (w/Mason Thomas)
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This week on the podcast, I am joined by Mason Thomas, a longtime friend from our shared childhood church, who shares his experiences dealing with the adverse effects of being one of the few church kids who decided not to get baptized and become what our church deemed a "true Christian". The conversation in this episode is inspired by the topics an…
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S2 E7: A Religion of Rules - When A Church’s Extra-Biblical Standards Hinder Authentic Spiritual Growth (w/Natalie Edmonson)
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This week on the podcast, I am joined by Natalie Edmonson, co-founder and executive director of the organization "Berean Holiness", who shares about the damaging effects of growing up in a church culture defined by its members' stringent adherence to its extra-biblical standards and practices. The conversation in this episode is inspired by the top…
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S2 E6: Confronting The Lies of Spiritual Abuse (w/Branon Dempsey)
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This week on the podcast, I am joined by longtime worship leader, author, and founder of "Confessions of A Worship Leader" Branon Dempsey, to discuss the importance of confronting the lies that abuse tries to make us believe, as well as understanding just how truly valuable each of our personal stories are. The conversation in this episode is inspi…
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S2 E5: Realizing Your Church Isn’t The ONLY Church (w/Ryan and Carla Grubb)
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This week on the podcast, I am joined by Ryan and Carla Grubb, former leaders in my childhood church organization, who delve into some of the damaging beliefs and practices that eventually led them to leave their church, including wrestling with the idea that their church was the only "true" church. The conversation in this episode is inspired by t…
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S2 E4: Why Do People Stay In Abusive Churches? - Ten Reasons That Make It Hardest To Leave (w/Remy Diederich)
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This week on the podcast, I am joined by spiritual consultant, pastor, and author Remy Diederich, to discuss the ten biggest reasons why people don't leave their spiritually abusive churches, as well as how to navigate a spiritual community or church that promotes toxic faith. The conversation in this episode is inspired by the topics and themes of…
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S2 E3: When A Church Kid Believes They’re The Problem (w/Bella Flores)
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This week on the podcast, I am joined by my childhood friend and fellow church kid Bella Flores, who shares her experiences dealing with the repercussions of growing up in a legalistic youth and college ministry, including her battle with doubts, mental health, and her perception of God and herself. The conversation in this episode is inspired by t…
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S2 E2: When Narcissism Comes To Church (w/Chuck DeGroat)
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This week on the podcast, I am joined by spiritual director, therapist, and author Chuck DeGroat, to talk all about narcissism, including its defining traits and characteristics, as well as ways both churches and individuals can heal from and prevent abuse from narcissistic leaders. The conversation in this episode is inspired by the topics and the…
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S2 E1: What Youth Group Is All About (w/Tori Dozier)
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Welcome to Season 2 of The Crumpled Papers Podcast! For the premiere episode of the season, I am joined by my very first youth leader, Tori Dozier, to talk all about... you guessed it... youth group! We cover it all, including the hilarious and meaningful memories and experiences during our time in the youth ministry, our input on the dynamics of a…
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This week on the podcast, its the finale episode of season 1, and to celebrate, the tables are being turned, as I look back on all the episodes this season and answer some questions about the things I've learned, season 1's most memorable aspects, as well as what's to come in the future. Stay tuned to the end, as this conversation will be followed …
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S1 E22: Truth Be Told- The Cost of Standing Up For What You Believe (w/Coltin Rohn)
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This week on the podcast, I am joined by Coltin Rohn, a former ministry leader in a sister church organization, who shares his experiences standing up for, and facing the repercussions of his dissenting views of his church's practices, and many of the amazing things he has learned since leaving. This episode follows the topics and themes of Chapter…
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S1 E21: When A Church Kid Leaves Their Church (w/Lian Mitchell)
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This week on the podcast, I am joined by my friend and fellow church kid Lian Mitchell, to discuss her experiences growing up that eventually led her to decide to leave her childhood church, as well as how to navigate the times when our life goes a different direction than what we had planned. This episode follows the topics and themes of Chapter 2…
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S1 E20: Love, Loss, And A Letter- Journeying Through Grief In An Unhealthy Spiritual Environment (w/Marilyn Kriete)
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This week on the podcast, I am joined by Marilyn Kriete, to discuss her personal journey with grief, the way her church community navigated her trials, and how a letter written to address their church's problems affected her grief and made her family's name notorious worldwide. This episode follows the topics and themes of Chapter 20, "The Chance t…
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S1 E19: Strangers to the Spirit- How the Holy Spirit Transforms Religion Into Relationship (w/Robert Noll)
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This week on the podcast, I am joined by my dad, Robert Noll, to talk about the vitalness of the Holy Spirit's role in our spiritual communities and our personal faith journeys, as well as the damaging repercussions that can result when a church's foundation is not built upon the Holy Spirit. This episode follows the topics and themes of Chapter 19…
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S1 E18: A Lonely Road- How God Seeks Us, Even As We Walk Away (w/Jonathan Martin)
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This week on the podcast, I am joined by Jonathan Martin, author of the book "The Road Away From God", to talk about navigating the loneliness and uncertainty that many find themselves experiencing after leaving the safety and security of a spiritual community behind. This episode follows the topics and themes of Chapter 18, "A Lonely Road", in my …
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S1 E17: Be Curious... Not Judgmental- When Negative Experiences Leave Us With Undesired Cynicism (w/Jenn Moeller)
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This week on the podcast, I am joined by Jenn Moeller, who shares her experiences growing up in the church, and gives us personal examples from her own story of the ways our negative experiences can leave us with unwanted cynicism. This episode follows the topics and themes of Chapter 17, "Cynics and Sponges", in my book "A Jumble of Crumpled Paper…
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S1 E16: Let’s Talk About Doubt (w/Kat Wordsworth)
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This week on the podcast, I am joined by Kat Wordsworth, author of "Let's Talk About Doubt", to... well... talk about doubt! In our conversation, we discuss the misconceptions we can have about doubt, the way it is perceived and navigated by many spiritual communities, and the opportunity it offers us for growth. This episode follows the topics and…
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S1 E15: Sleeping In On A Sunday- The Aftermath of Leaving Your Spiritual Community (w/Karl and Laura Forehand)
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This week on the podcast, I am joined by Karl and Laura Forehand, co-authors of the book "Out Into The Desert" and co-hosts of "The Desert Sanctuary" podcast. We talk all about the aftermath of leaving the safety and security of your spiritual community, and venturing into "The Desert", where you may just find an unexpected freedom in the uncertain…
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S1 E14: A Jumble of Crumpled Papers- When Your Strongest Beliefs Suddenly Become Your Biggest Uncertainties
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This week on the podcast, it's just me and you, as I explain the meaning of the metaphor "A Jumble of Crumpled Papers", and discuss the daunting process of re-evaluating our beliefs and replacing toxic ideas with healthy ones. This episode follows the topics and themes of Chapter 14, "A Jumble of Crumpled Papers", in my book "A Jumble of Crumpled P…
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S1 E13 (Part 2): Fight or Flight- When To Fight For Change and When To Move On From An Unhealthy Spiritual Environment (w/Robin Noll)
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This episode is PART 2 of 2. This week on the podcast, I am joined by my mom, Robin Noll, to let her share her side of many of my experiences that I narrate in my book. She shares her experience going through the process of recognizing the unhealthy, toxic elements of our church, attempting to fight for change, and ultimately deciding it was time t…
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S1 E13 (Part 1): Fight or Flight- When To Fight For Change and When To Move On From An Unhealthy Spiritual Environment (w/Robin Noll)
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This week on the podcast, I am joined by my mom, Robin Noll, to let her share her side of many of my experiences that I narrate in my book. She shares her experience going through the process of recognizing the unhealthy, toxic elements of our church, attempting to fight for change, and ultimately deciding it was time to leave. This episode is PART…
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S1 E12: A Dilemma in the Dorms- Coming to Terms with College Campus Ministry (w/Jon Augustine)
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This week on the podcast, I am joined by Jon Augustine, a former Los Angeles campus ministry leader, who dissects the pros and cons of some of the central elements of campus ministry culture, and helps paint a healthier picture for what college church culture could be. This episode follows the topics and themes of Chapter 12, "Running On Empty", in…
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S1 E11: The Liability of Legalism- A Former Church Leader’s Take On The Healthy and Unhealthy Aspects of Ministry (w/Jeff Morrell)
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This week on the podcast, I am joined by Jeff Morrell, a former member and leader of my childhood church, as we take an honest look back at his time on staff, discussing what was done in a healthy way, and what ideas and practices may have been damaging and should be done differently. This episode follows the topics and themes of Chapter 11, "A Cul…
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S1 E10: A System of Shame (w/Luci Coblentz and Sovi Louise)
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This week I am joined by Luci Coblentz and Sovi Louise, sisters who grew up in an Amish community, and ran away together when they were 17 and 20. In this episode they share some of their incredible story and offer some amazing insight into both the similarities and differences between Amish culture and many modern Christian churches, particularly …
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S1 E9: The Signs of Spiritual Abuse (w/Sandi Derby)
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This week on the podcast, I am joined by author, life coach, and certified Grief Recovery Specialist Sandi Derby as she helps unpack the idea of "spiritual abuse", including the symptoms, causes, and damaging effects it can have on individuals and spiritual communities. This episode follows the topics and themes of Chapter 9, "What Is Spiritual Abu…
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S1 E8: About A Girl- When A Church’s Desire For Control Ruins Healthy Relationships
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This week on the podcast, it's just me, and it's story time! In this episode I delve into my experiences in my church's high school ministry when a girl and I began to develop feelings for each other, and how the church responded and navigated our relationship. I cover topics such as where the ultimate authority falls in a young person's life, and …
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