Best Francione Podcasts (2024)

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California Nightmares with Beth Bourne 1:15:04

9d ago1:15:04

1:15:04

Beth Bourne is a lifelong Democrat, mother of an estranged trans-identified daughter, and model of courage in the belly of the beast that is the Golden State. After years of receiving slow and inattentive medical service, she told Kaiser Permanente she identified as non-binary and suddenly had speedy access to attention, validation, and any “gender…

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Structure and Coherence with J.D. Haltigan 1:19:53

22d ago1:19:53

1:19:53

Independent Scientist and emerging public intellectual J.D. Haltigan left academia for a life of forced leisure and blue-collar employment, but he’d rather pursue his passion for psychological research at an institution. He joins the Dorx to discuss Covid masking, psychopathology, bike helmets, denial of death, the neurotic anxious failure to devel…

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S6E10: Grad Review with Virginia Thomas and Darren Chang 1:29:43

26d ago1:29:43

1:29:43

In this ‘Grad Review’ Claudia talks to Virginia Thomas and Darren Chang, two early career researchers interested in animals and politics. Together they unpack synergies, tensions, and omissions that emerged in the 6th Season of The Animal Turn podcast. They discuss the multiple scales at which politics is practiced and can be considered, the crisis…

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“A Path to Inclusion” with Cyd Zeigler 50:23

29d ago50:23

50:23

Cyd Zeigler started OutSports in 1999, gradually shifting focus from “pro sports from a gay men’s fandom angle” to all things LGBTQ++, including trans athletes. He joins the Dorx to argue for inclusion of male trans athletes in female categories. From chess to football, Zeigler believes every sport can and should be treated differently; that sex ca…

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Autoandrophilia with Aaron Terrell 1:22:20

1M ago1:22:20

1:22:20

After Nina welcomes self-described autoandrophile and pervert advocate Aaron “The Contraaron” Terrell with a deliberate misgendering, the two adult human females discuss male sexuality while actual male Corinna mostly bites his tongue. Topics include Terrell’s surprising shift from hetero- to homosexuality on exogenous testosterone, pretty privileg…

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Taking Action with Ellen Daehnick 1:19:59

2M ago1:19:59

1:19:59

When Things need to get done, it’s people like Ellen Daehnick who do them. Daehnick recently retired from her high-powered career to become a full-time “Unpaid Gender Crank”, focusing on legislation. She describes her first time testifying to the Colorado state legislature against CO House Bill 1071, which welcomes felons to change their legal name…

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S6E9: International Relations with Andrea Schapper 1:09:32

2M ago1:09:32

1:09:32

Claudia talks to Andrea Schapper about animals and international relations with an explicit focus on the United Nations. They discuss how animal rights are absent in the Sustainable Development Goals as well as the promise of the rights of nature framework being employed in Latin America. Date Recorded: 5 December 2023 Andrea Schapper is a Professo…

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Mitigating the Damage with Jamie Reed 1:44:54

2M ago1:44:54

1:44:54

Last year, case manager Jamie Reed blew the whistle on the gender clinic that had employed her for almost four years. Today, she faces an even more frightening challenge: being a guest on the Heterodorx podcast. Jamie’s impeccable lefty credentials never prepared her for Corinna’s relentless sarcasm, let alone what she witnessed in the medical syst…

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TERF-Tranny Alliances with Eva Kurilova and Lois Cardinal 1:17:02

2M ago1:17:02

1:17:02

Canada is not merely America’s Hat; it’s also home to Eva Kurilova and Lois Cardinal, a TERF-Tranny duo rivaling the Heterodorx in both hardliner contempt and world domination. We discuss womanface, tribal identities, the sterilization of First Nations youth, aging, Feminized Eunuch Males (FEMs), Medical Assistance In Dying (MAID), do-it-yourself g…

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Safeguarding, Lesbophobia, and DARVO 55:41

2M ago55:41

55:41

Corinna and Nina rant and complain about the current “Gender Critical” online discourse. What is a lesbian? Is Corinna gay, or homosexual? Is DARVO a floor wax, or a dessert topping? Although we perpetuate the problem by talking about it, by the end we propose a solution. You’ll hear lots of misgendering, talk of Nina’s sex-pozzie San Francisco day…

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Alpacne! with Jennifer Lahl 1:10:28

3M ago1:10:28

1:10:28

Filmmaker and former pediatric nurse Jennifer Lahl's latest short documentary, The Lost Boys: Searching for Manhood, focuses on male detransitioners. We discuss film distribution, the festival circuit, crowdfunding, straight-to-online, subtitles (“How do you say ‘chopped off his penis’ in Spanish?”), the obsolescence of DVDs, Jennifer’s ex-boyfrien…

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S6E8: Re-Animalization with Krithika Srinivasan 1:11:23

3M ago1:11:23

1:11:23

Krithika Srinivasan joins Claudia on the show to talk about re-animalization, a concept that challenges the dominant ways in which human wellbeing are framed. Re-Animalization compels one to think about how development is predicated on logics of protection and sacrifice, expanding notions of longevity, and a reduction of risk. Re-Animalization offe…

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Welcome to the Gender Wars, Dr. Gary Francione! 1:23:52

3M ago1:23:52

1:23:52

After Corinna complains about an obnoxious and possibly libelous article in the Washington Post, the Dorx welcome legal scholar, philosopher, vegan, and animal rights activist Dr. Gary Francione. We discuss Equality Claims vs Belief Claims, old-school transsexuals, admitting you’re wrong, Andrea Dworkin, nonviolence, intersectionality, and the prin…

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Unblinded by the Light with Ray Alex Williams 1:08:02

3M ago1:08:02

1:08:02

For 8 years, Ray Alex Williams claimed to be a woman, zealously promoting transgender ideology, ingesting spirolactone and exogenous estrogen, doing "a lot of twitter activism,” and writing a book about trans philosophy. In May 2023 he socially and medically detransitioned, issuing public apologies shortly thereafter. How did “Rachel Anne Williams”…

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S6E7: Animal Photojournalism with Jo-Anne McArthur 1:16:15

3M ago1:16:15

1:16:15

Claudia talks to renowned photographer Jo-Anne McArthur about the power of images in political change for animals. They unpack what animal photojournalism is, some of the challenges photographers encounter in recording the lives of animals, and the political implications of such photos. Date Recorded: 17 October 2023. Jo-Anne McArthur is an award-w…

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Rosie Kay Believes in The Power of the Arts 1:11:13

4M ago1:11:13

1:11:13

Rosie Kay is a dancer, choreographer, “old-school feminist”, and co-founder of Freedom In The Arts in the UK. Both cancelled and resurrected, she’s also a fascinating and articulate speaker. She joined the Dorx back in November to talk about dance, brains, arts organizations, making controversial work, the “theater of dehumanization,” liberal value…

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S6E6: Social Movement Mobilization and Feminism with Corey Lee Wrenn 1:13:32

4M ago1:13:32

1:13:32

In this episode Claudia talks to Corey Lee Wrenn about two concepts that are central to her work in animal studies: social movement mobilization and feminism. They discuss veganism as a social movement as well as some of the ways in which feminism has been sidelined in animal rights’ debates. Date Recorded: 13 October 2023. Corey Lee Wrenn is Lectu…

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S6E5: Abolition with Gary Francione 1:36:49

5M ago1:36:49

1:36:49

Claudia talks to lawyer and philosopher Gary Francione about abolition. Gary provides an overview of how ideas related to animals have emerged and changed since the 19th century. This includes the emergence of animal welfare, animal rights, and abolitionism. Throughout the interview Gary asserts that animal welfare and animal rights will not achiev…

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Esprit de Corpse 1:12:09

5M ago1:12:09

1:12:09

Corinna and Nina poke at the dead body of the Gender Critical Movement. Cause of death? Illiberalism, revulsion, femagoguery, the narcissism of small differences, group polarization, junior high social dynamics, Calvinism, puritanism, gaslighting, victimhood as currency, and so much more. Plus, Nina gets diagnosed with Crohn’s disease. Where will t…

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S6E4: Violence with Dinesh Wadiwel 1:30:01

5M ago1:30:01

1:30:01

In this episode Dinesh Wadiwel discusses how violence is an important concept in political theory. He outlines how violence can be intersubjective, structural, or epistemic. He delves into how violence and coercion are tools used to try and achieve domination and that there is a political imperative to call violence what it is. Date Recorded: 25 Se…

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Librarians Losing Their Spine, with Penny Hummel 1:21:16

5M ago1:21:16

1:21:16

Librarians once stood for intellectual freedom and access to information, but today many prefer to suppress speech and intellectual diversity for the sake of a misguided concept of "social justice". One Davis, California library recently violated the First Amendment when they ejected a group of women discussing male athletes in female sports. Colle…

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Ladies' Autogynephilia Chat with Shannon Thrace 1:04:04

5M ago1:04:04

1:04:04

Shannon Thrace is a "transwidow" and author of the must-read novel Eighteen Months: A Memoir of a Marriage Lost to Gender Identity. She joins handmaiden pick-me tranny-lover Nina for a women’s-only talk about AUTOGYNEPHILIA, the cause célèbre currently ripping apart the TERFosphere. Is this about safeguarding and holding women’s boundaries, or is i…

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S6E3: Moral Imagination and Habitat Rights with Steve Cooke 1:13:03

6M ago1:13:03

1:13:03

In this episode Steve Cooke discusses the significance of philosophy in helping to foster moral imagination. Such imagination allows for conceptual development, making moral progress and political change possible. With this backdrop, Steve unpacks how the development of habitat rights for animals would be an important step in ensuring animal vital …

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S6E2: Cosmopolitanism with Angie Pepper 1:22:35

6M ago1:22:35

1:22:35

In this episode, Claudia talks to Angie Pepper about cosmopolitanism. Angie explains how despite cosmopolitans having an expansive view of justice, animals are rarely accounted for. They discuss the challenges of including animals in cosmopolitan thought and mull over what animals might be entitled to. Date Recorded: 24 August 2023. Angie Pepper is…

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"Ask a Zionist" with Rabbi Jonathan Greenberg 1:18:20

6M ago1:18:20

1:18:20

After last weeks “Ask an Anti-Zionist,” the Dorx return to Ask a Zionist, Rabbi Jonathan Greenberg. What is a Zionist? Answer: “A person who believes that the Jews have a right to self-determination and self-protection in the ancient land of Israel,” which he says is the historical, original, biblical, literal Jewish homeland. Greenberg does not su…

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“Ask an Anti-Zionist” with Andy the Anti-Zionist 1:27:44

6M ago1:27:44

1:27:44

The Dorx discuss recent events with Nina’s ex-boyfriend, Andy the Anti-Zionist. A first-generation American son of a Palestinian Catholic father, Andy was mistreated on a visit to Israel at age 12 and has avowedly opposed the state ever since. We discuss the importance of history, the rise of anti-semitism, media biases, blame, “terrorists,” who is…

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The Wrong Sort of Everything with Bev Jackson 1:22:34

6M ago1:22:34

1:22:34

Longtime activist and author Bev Jackson is a founding member of the UK Gay Liberation Front and, more recently, co-founder of the Lesbian Gay Bisexual Alliance (LGBA), one the the only organizations standing for homosexual (as opposed to “queer”) rights and the only UK charity supporting truly lesbian events. We discuss the corruption of Wikipedia…

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S6E1: Politics with Will Kymlicka 1:21:45

6M ago1:21:45

1:21:45

Claudia launches Season 6 by talking to Will Kymlicka about politics. They discuss how animals remain largely sidelined in political philosophical thought, as compared to other areas of ethics and social theory. Will delves into three different models for how to bring animals into politics: politics “on behalf of” animals, where humans represent an…

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The Animal Turn Shortlisted in the International Women's Podcasting Awards 24:16

6M ago24:16

24:16

The Animal Turn has been shortlisted in two categories of the upcoming International Women's Awards to be held on the 6th of November 2023. You can hear the nominated clips in this episode. The Animal Turn was shortlisted in "Moment of Insight from a Role Model" for the conversation between Jeff Sebo and Claudia Hirtenfelder about the im/possibilit…

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Bonus: Interference with Paul Watson 59:51

6M ago59:51

59:51

In this bonus episode Claudia talks to Captain Paul Watson about the concept of interference. They discuss his recent book Hitman for the Kindness Club as well as how he uses strategies of “aggressive nonviolence” to combat what he calls “the economics of extinction.” They also touch on the destructiveness of the fishing industry and factory farmin…

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The Darkest Humor 1:22:23

7M ago1:22:23

1:22:23

Nina and Corinna — who between them comprise one-and-a-half Jews — discuss recent events in the Middle East, after a brief detour about IP Law and its discontents. We confuse Robert Redford with Paul Newman, compare synagogues and mosques with Starbuck’s and Dunkin’ Donuts, and learn the difference between philo-semites and hebephiles. Then we get …

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Bonus: Phoenix Zones with Hope Ferdowsian 1:00:33

7M ago1:00:33

1:00:33

In this episode Claudia talks to public health expert Hope Ferdowsian about Phoenix Zones, a concept that captures places and practices that advance the rights, health, and well-being of people, animals, and our shared environments. They discuss how crises present opportunities for change as well as how humans and animal who have experienced trauma…

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The Art of Dissident Feminists with J Berns 1:18:48

7M ago1:18:48

1:18:48

A Nasty Piece of Work: The Art of Dissident Feminists is the world’s first and only “TERF” Art show, featuring 14 female artists, all of whom have been canceled due to gender ideology. Its curator and organizer is J. Berns, an activist, mother, art lover, and upstanding badass. She talks about how her gallery was vandalized the day after the show’s…

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Taking The Weird Path with Saya Hillman 1:15:19

7M ago1:15:19

1:15:19

Back when this podcast had only 4 listeners, Debbie Hillman of foodfarmsdemocracy.net was one of them. Debbie passed away in March, after which Corinna discovered a 2014 tribute video by her daughter. An interesting character in her own right, Saya Hillman joins the Dorx to talk about her mom, our moms, moms in general, dads, families, estrangement…

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Listener Questions! 1:08:55

8M ago1:08:55

1:08:55

Corinna and Nina answer your important questions, such as: what is a feminist? Should we be cheerful instead of angry? Who cuts our hair? Boxers or briefs? Is “cis” a slur? We also discuss the TERF-Tranny spectrum; our origins in a state fair livestock exhibit; the social benefits of taboos; Republicans' ability to eff up a sure thing; how social c…

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Left Wing Heresy with Lisa Selin Davis 1:15:49

8M ago1:15:49

1:15:49

Prolific writer, researcher, thinker, and close personal friend of the Dorx Lisa Selin Davis is an old-school Leftist who developed an “exciting new interest in reality,” subsequently putting her on the wrong side of many a Brooklyn dinner party. We ask: What does it mean to be on the Left? What is Feminism? Do Gender Critics engage in “hugboxing"?…

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Heather Brunskell-Evans is (a) TERF* 1:22:17

8M ago1:22:17

1:22:17

The delightful and accomplished Dr Heather Brunskell-Evans joins the Dorx on short notice, first to talk about her work with Women’s Declaration International and Transgender Trend, then about her exhaustion with all manner of ideological nonsense, be it from trans rights activists or her “sisters” on the left. Purity spirals, tribal instincts, tox…

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How the Internet Lost its Backbone, with Joshua Moon 1:07:05

9M ago1:07:05

1:07:05

In 1993 John Gilmore famously said, "The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.” To learn why that’s no longer true, listen to Josh Moon enumerate “the amount of things that have broken that people in the industry assumed could never break,” as activists with personal vendettas and political agendas relentlessly employ every poss…

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Bonus: Justice with Josh Milburn 1:25:08

9M ago1:25:08

1:25:08

Podcaster and philosopher Josh Milburn is on the Animal Turn to talk about his latest book and how the concept of justice is central to imagining a future world in which the rights of animals are respected. Claudia and Josh discuss the political turn in animal ethics, some of the tensions between animal rights and veganism, as well as the role cell…

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Corinna & Nina talk ICONS 41:20

9M ago41:20

41:20

The Dorx do a quick review of the 2023 ICONS International Women's Sports Summit in Denver, among whose speakers were many former Heterodorx guests like Carole Hooven, Colin Wright, Helen Joyce, Kara Dansky, and Kim Jones; plus Suzanne Vierling, Dina McMillan, Riley Gaines, Jennifer Sey, and countless other badass women, including tall otherworldly…

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Pediatric Disenchantment with Julia Mason, MD 1:15:12

9M ago1:15:12

1:15:12

Julia Mason is a practicing pediatrician, a Fellow of the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), and a founding member of the Society for Evidence Based Gender Medicine (SEGM). A politically homeless, feline-affirming, bleeding-heart liberal who wants to pause pediatric transition, Mason raises grave concerns about the “affirmation model” which lock…

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To Speak or Not to Speak? with Olivia 1:01:03

10M ago1:01:03

1:01:03

Olivia works on the front lines of America’s public education system, teaching in the Pacific Northwest. So dangerous is her line of work that she’s choosing to remain semi-anonymous — for now. What will it take for her, and others witnessing State-ordered genderist indoctrination of children, to say something? Corinna gently reminds that we have t…

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Doin’ the 12-Step with Ben Appel 1:22:22

10M ago1:22:22

1:22:22

Returning sexy guest Ben Appel recently wrote about genderism and other political ideologies infiltrating Alcoholics Anonymous, despite its 10th Tradition prohibiting alignment with outside issues. But what is a “Tradition” anyway? Ben and Nina possibly violate the 11th one (“always maintain personal anonymity at the level of press, radio, and film…

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Gender of Champions with Kim Jones 1:42:13

10M ago1:42:13

1:42:13

Kim Jones is a co-founder of ICONS, the International Council On WomeN’s Sports. A former college athlete whose daughter had to compete against Lia Thomas, Jones intelligently and passionately articulates why “sports are the public arena of the difference of the sexes,” and how gaslighting girls in the spotlight sends a harrowing message to all wom…

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Bonus: Mother with Yamini Narayanan 1:06:22

11M ago1:06:22

1:06:22

Yamini Narayanan is back on the show, this time to talk to Claudia about her book Mother Cow, Mother India. They focus their discussion on the concept of “Mother” and what it means for cows in India. They touch on the implications of cows being sacralised as mothers of the Hindu nation and what cows’ daily lives, as mothers, are like. Date Recorded…

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Open Wounds 56:38

11M ago56:38

56:38

The Dorx skip the guest to discuss online drama du jour: so-called “allies” using language detransitioners don’t like. Nina asserts no one likes to be told how to speak; that there is some violence inherent to all surgery; that middle-aged women are forced into an unwanted mommy role; and all humans are capable of healing, no matter how disfigured …

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Bonus: Koalas with Danielle Clode 56:23

11M ago56:23

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In this bonus episode Claudia talks to Danielle Clode about her recent book on koalas. They talk about koalas’ incredible bodies and some of their social dynamics, including koalas unique digestive and reproductive systems and their long-distance bellows. Date Recorded: 10 April 2023. Danielle Clode is a biologist and natural history author based a…

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Alasdair Gunn: It’s Fun To Play Scrabble With A Linguist 1:16:51

11M ago1:16:51

1:16:51

Vice Director of Genspect Alasdair Gunn (nee Angus Fox) rejoins the Dorx to recap Killarney’s Bigger Picture conference, compare European and US approaches to gender issues, and update us on his health. Soon Corinna is pushing exogenous estrogen on Nina, who just wants to settle down with a female housemate despite being recently named a Scarlet Wh…

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Ask an Autogynephile! with Phil Illy 1:32:17

11M ago1:32:17

1:32:17

Most autogynephiles — men sexually aroused by impersonating, embodying, or identifying as women — are so deeply ashamed of their condition they deny its existence. Phil Illy is a rare exception whose acceptance and curiosity led him to research and write a book on the topic. We discuss attraction to others (“allosexuality”) vs attraction to embodie…

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The Heterodorx get Blocked and Reported with Katie Herzog and Jessie Singal 1:07:58

1y ago1:07:58

1:07:58

For our celebratory 100th episode, podcasting role-models Katie Herzog and Jesse Singal join the Dorx as special guest audio engineers. Except Corinna’s been so busy testifying for “anti-trans" bills around the country, and Nina’s been so sick with COVID, that we only made it to episode 98. Nonetheless, we cover gender wars, egregious reporting, ba…

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