Being Human in the Age of AI with Susie Alegre

The Evolving Leader

In this episode, we’re delighted to welcome Susie Alegre back to The Evolving Leader. Susie is a leading human rights barrister at the internationally renowned Garden Court Chambers. She has been a legal pioneer in digital human rights, in particular the impact of artificial intelligence on the human rights of freedom of thought and opinion and she is also Senior Research Fellow at the University of Roehampton.

Artificial intelligence is starting to shape every aspect of our daily lives, from how we think to who we love, and in her latest book ‘Human Rights, Robot Wrongs, Being Human in the Age of AI’ Susie Alegre explores the ways in which artificial intelligence threatens our fundamental human rights – including the rights to life, liberty and fair trial; the right to private and family life; and the right to free expression – and how we protect those rights.

This is an important listen for us all.
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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Chapters

1. Introduction (00:00:00)

2. Jean, what do you mean by More Human? (00:02:04)

3. Check-in (00:05:51)

4. You start the new book with the powerful emotional reaction that you had to the launch of Chat-GPT and the impact that AI driven systems were having on us. (00:06:06)

5. Much of the debate on AI is distracting us from the accountability that we should be placing on the leaders of tech companies which you ground in the universal declaration of human rights. (00:09:09)

6. In this you’re pointing out that we don’t need new laws, we just need to enforce the ones we’ve got. What sort of trap are we falling into here? (00:11:25)

7. So as AI companies seek to find new ways to integrate their technology into our lives, you’re pointing out that we need to be aware of how they can dehumanise us. (00:14:28)

8. Do you see anything on the other side of that coin? If regulated properly, do you see any examples where there is reason to be optimistic? (00:16:19)

9. So rather than AI being able to substitute a range of human activities, we’ll actually get a synthetic version of it that might disadvantage the very people further. (00:20:41)

10. Can you talk to us about your thoughts on the development of autonomous killer robots on the battlefield? (00:21:49)

11. How do we need to think about human rights and concerns within the rise of sex robots? (00:25:43)

12. Trying to automate the information that a human might provide isn’t straight forward because it comes with a moral dimension of unpredictable consequences. (00:34:15)

13. Extending this relationship with AI to the older population, companies may be eyeing the prize of automating care but there is nothing to prevent harm or exploitation. How will the law help us to cope with this challenge? (00:35:24)

14. There is a danger that humans will end up being in service of the technology rather than the other way around. (00:40:06)

15. If governments aren’t intervening, what can we do? (00:40:54)

16. What are you going to do next with this? (00:46:45)

17. On a previous episode, Kevin Kelly said that ‘the price of these new technologies is transparency. You have to give everything about yourself to get the value return’. What are your thoughts on the transparency exchange that’s required? (00:50:29)

18. What final thoughts can you leave for our listeners? (00:53:32)