I'm Kathryn Gordon and your Host of the Kathryn For Real podcast. I decided to create this podcast after so many readers of my book "Relationship Grit" commented on how refreshingly real it was. You see I'm a mother, a wife, an entrepreneur, and a best selling author, but what I'm most known for in my circles is my unwavering ability to call it as I see it and ask the tough questions. So In this podcast you will hear amazing authentic stories, learn valuable lessons, and discover some of my ...
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We are an offshoot of the Above the Law legal blog. But we are focused on the challenges women, people of color, LGBTQIA, and other diverse populations face in the legal industry. Let's be real -- it can suck out there. So we want to create a space where our community can come together share stories, find support and devise strategies. Our name comes from none other than the Notorious Ruth Bader Ginsburg and the jabot (decorative collar) she wears when delivering dissents from the bench. It' ...
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Dr. Grace Yum has quietly become one of the highest profile pediatric dentists in Chicago and beyond. She is in a small pool of less than 5% of all dentists who become certified in pediatrics. She also founded and built Yummy Dental and Orthodontics for Kids into a leader in its category. In this Podcast, Dr. Yum shares pearls of wisdom based on her experience that are designed to help moms be successful in their medical careers and in their lives more broadly. She interviews a rotating cast ...
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280: Interview with Bestselling Author, Podcast Host & CEO of The Jon Gordon Companies, Kathryn Gordon
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Kathryn Gordon is a wife, mother, businesswoman, movie producer, bestselling author of Relationship GRIT, host of the Kathryn for Real podcast and CEO of The Gordon Companies. A graduate of Old Dominion University, Kathryn became a top producer in sales for several companies before deciding to follow her passion as an actress and model. After the b…
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From Child Star To Lawyer with Kelly Hyman - Episode 175
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Kathryn Rubino welcomes Kelly Hyman, founder of the Hyman Law Firm and host of “Once Upon a Crime in Hollywood”. Journey through Kelly’s shift from a childhood acting career to making a significant impact in the legal world, advocating for victims of human trafficking and navigating the complexities of starting her own law firm. Kelly shares her pa…
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279: Interview with Co-Founder & CEO of Productive Dentist Academy, Dr. Victoria Peterson
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Dr. Victoria Peterson combines 30 years of dental entrepreneurial experience with a degree in Spiritual Studies to bring a refreshing approach to business. Her career began as a registered dental hygienist and leveraged her knowledge to accelerate the marketing and business outcomes for dental practices across the nation. During that time, she deve…
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278: Interview with Marketing Speaker and Owner & CEO of Studio EightyEight, Joshua Scott
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Joshua Scott is a marketing speaker and fractional CMO who has spent the last 23 years in the dental industry. He is the owner and CEO of Studio EightyEight - Dentistry’s Story-Driven Marketing Agency. Recently named as the Top Healthcare Marketing Agency in the United States by Healthcare Business Review, their mission is to create more authentic …
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277: Interview with Cosmetic Dentist & Practice Owner, Dr. Desiree Yazdan
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Dr. Yazdan is passionate about cosmetic dentistry and has a practice in Newport Beach, CA offering high end cosmetic dentistry to her patients. Having completed research and publications on enamel development and receiving her Masters in Craniofacial Biology and Doctor of Dental Surgery from the University of Southern California, Dr. Yazdan’s exper…
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Facial Features and First Impressions: Judging a Book By It's Cover with Brian Galke
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Imagine discovering that the key to understanding people's true intentions lies in their facial features. Now, picture being able to decode these nonverbal cues and gain deep insight into their personalities and behaviors. What if this skill not only transformed your personal relationships but also gave you a strategic advantage in sales and negoti…
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Exposing The Originalism Lie with Madiba Dennie - Episode 174
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Kathryn chats with Madiba Dennie, deputy editor at Balls and Strikes, about her new book, “The Originalism Trap”. Discover how originalist ideology affects our legal system, and why it’s crucial to challenge it. A must-listen for anyone curious about the evolving role of law and justice! Highlights Potential of the law to help or hurt people. Medib…
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276: Interview with Solution Center Manager at CEDR HR Solutions, Grace Godlasky
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Grace has been with CEDR Solutions for ten years. She is currently CEDR's Solution Center Manager. Prior to managing the Solution Center, she served as both a Solution Center Advisor and as a Compliance Officer with CEDR. Her favorite area of HR is paid leave laws. Grace graduated cum laude from Georgia State University's School of Law. Prior to at…
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Helping Businesses Help Themselves with Peter Bronstein - Episode 173
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Kathryn chats with Peter Bronstein, a radio show host and founder of Legal Steps. Peter shares why he became a lawyer, driven by a desire for fairness, and narrates his journey from in-house counsel to successful independent practice. Discover compelling stories of his career highs, advice for aspiring lawyers, and insights on challenges faced by s…
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Biglaw Partner Gets Real About Mentorship with Jane Arnold - Episode 172
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Dive into the latest episode of The Jabob Podcast and special guest Jane Arnold, partner at Polsinelli. Discover Jane’s unconventional path to law and her insights on mentoring, flexible work hours, and the future of diversity in Big Law. Listen for inspiring advice and a peek into the evolving legal landscape. Highlights Jane Arnold’s career path …
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The Journey From Incarceration To Law Student And Beyond with Jonas Caballero - Episode 171
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Dive into an inspiring episode as Kathryn Rubino hosts Albany law student Jonas Caballero. Discover Jonas’s incredible journey from protesting the Iraq War to overcoming incarceration and addiction, now excelling in law school and fighting for civil rights. A must-listen for a story of resilience and advocacy. Highlights Reporting on human rights i…
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275: Interview with Podcast Host & Founder of Mommy Dentists in Business, Dr. Grace Yum
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Welcome to a very special episode of the Mommy Dentists in Business podcast! This week, we're celebrating a remarkable milestone as we joyously mark our 7th birthday. Get ready as Dr. Yum takes the mic to share her heartfelt journey with MDIB, navigating uncertainty to build a vibrant community for mommy dentists everywhere. Join us as she reminisc…
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From Trauma to Triumph: How Entrepreneur, Amy Lacey, Overcame Hardship to Find Purpose
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Have you heard these myths about personal growth and forgiveness? Myth #1: Forgiveness is a sign of weakness. Myth #2: Forgiveness means forgetting the past. Myth #3: Forgiving means letting the other person off the hook. But the truth about forgiveness is powerful and transformative. Want to know the truth? Then you won't want to miss this episode…
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274: Interview with CPA & Financial Planner at Cain Watters & Associates, Brittany Frazier
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Brittany Frazier is an alumna of Southern Methodist University with a Bachelor of Business Administration in accounting, a Bachelor of Arts in Spanish, and a Master of Science in accounting. After beginning her career in New York City at PricewaterhouseCoopers she joined the Cain Watters and Associates (CWA) team in Dallas in 2013. Brittany guides …
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273: Interview with Oral Pathologist and Vice President of CAMP Laboratory, Dr. Ashley Clark
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Dr. Ashley Clark is a board-certified oral pathologist currently serving as the Vice President of CAMP Laboratory in Indianapolis, Indiana after a nearly decade-long career serving as an oral pathologist in academia. She is on the Professional Board for Oral Cancer Cause and Digital Dental Notes and the Advisory Board for General Dentistry. Dr. Cla…
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Equinox Legend Lavinia Errico's New Mission: Spreading Joy Through Movement
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My special guest is Lavinia Errico! Lavinia Errico, the co-founder of Equinox, is a prominent figure in the fitness industry, renowned for her groundbreaking contributions to being one of the founders of Equinox to now starting a “movement” called MOVEJOY! Growing up in a bustling household with five siblings, Lavinia's early exposure to movement l…
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272: Interview with Author, TEDx Speaker and Storyteller, Heather Chauvin
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Heather Chauvin is a leadership coach who helps ‘successful’ women courageously and authentically live, work, and parent on their own terms. Heather started her career as a social worker helping adults understand children’s behavior. But it wasn’t until 2013 when a stage 4 cancer diagnosis pushed her to take a deeper stand for change, uncovering ho…
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271: Interview with Professor of Geology and Geophysics and Member of the Global Change and Sustainability Center at the University of Utah, Gabriel Bowen
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Gabriel Bowen is a Professor of Geology and Geophysics and member of the Global Change and Sustainability Center at the University of Utah, where he leads the Spatio-temporal Isotope Analytics Lab (SPATIAL) and serves as director of the SIRFER stable isotope facility. His research focuses on the use of spatial and temporally resolved geochemical da…
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So much of the time, we focus on the outside. The career, the kids, the house. But we don’t put that same focus on ourselves. Maybe you say you’ll start meal prepping this weekend or you’ll start doing that yoga class. Only to find that “more important” things come up. You need to make self care Non Negotiable. Success starts with you. In this epis…
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270: Interview with Dentist, Practice Owner, and Co-Founder of Yapi, Dr. Gina Dorfman
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Dr. Gina Dorfman, a dentist, practice owner, and entrepreneur with over two decades of experience, has made significant contributions to the field of dentistry. After graduating from the University of Southern California with a degree in Biochemistry in 1996 and completing her dental training in 2000, she opened her practice near Los Angeles, Calif…
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A Remarkable True Story with Candace Cameron Bure
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Jon and Kathryn Gordon interview Candace Cameron Bure on her new moving Unsung Hero. Based on a remarkable true story, a mom’s faith stands against all odds and inspires her husband and children to hold on to theirs.
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269: Interview with an Author and Yoga Therapist, Ann Swanson
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Ann Swanson is the author of the internationally bestselling book SCIENCE OF YOGA and, recently, Meditation for the Real World, which illuminates the fascinating science behind meditation with step-by-step practices to help you find peace in everyday life. However, Ann wasn’t a naturally “chill person,” and meditation didn’t come easy to her. Overc…
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268: Interview with Top 1% Attorney, High Conflict Negotiator and International Bestselling Author, Rebecca Zung
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As a lawyer recognized by US News as one of the Best Lawyers in America (top 1%), and with a career spanning 24 years, Rebecca’s credibility is well-established. Her meteoric rise going from a college dropout and single mother to a one of the nation’s most powerful attorneys representing high-profile clients illustrates her resilience and dedicatio…
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267: Interview with a Cosmetic Dentist & Resilience Enthusiast and Philanthropist, Dr. Christina Monford-McNish
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Dr. Christina Jade Monford-McNish a native of Jacksonville, Florida where she and her family currently reside. Dr. Monford-McNish has been practicing for eleven years as cosmetic dentist. Her goal is to provide high quality and compassionate care for the broadest imaginable range of dental care while building meaningful relationships over the cours…
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266: Interview with the Lead Doctor of a Dental Partnership Organization Practice and CFO of APEX Payment Solutions, Dr. Suzanne Allmand
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Dr. Suzanne is the Lead Doctor of a thriving Dental Partnership Organization practice and serves as the CFO of Apex Payment Solutions, one of the fastest-growing merchant services companies in the dental field. She has dedicated her career to serving the dental community, serving as faculty at Indiana University Dental School and as the clinic dire…
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Helping Women Invest With Confidence with Reign & Co. Co-Founders Andreea Muresan and Kara Ayala
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Where are all the groups and communities for females that want to build wealth!? That’s the exact question Andreea Muresan and Kara Ayala were asking themselves when they stepped into an event with only 2 women … So what did they do? They created a community of their own, called Reign & Co. They now spend their time teaching women how to build and …
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Making The Journey From Biglaw To In-House with Catherine Dawson - Episode 170
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In this episode, Kathryn interviews Catherine Dawson, General Counsel at Affinipay, discusses her career transition from big law to in-house counsel, emphasizing her interest in technology. She also talks about the benefits of using AI in legal practice, such as task automation and increased efficiency. Dawson recounts her experience of working par…
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265: Interview with board certified Prosthodontist & Certified Dental Technician, Dr. Miles Cone
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Dr. Miles Cone graduated from Tufts Dental School and completed a 3-year Prosthodontic residency in the U.S. Army. In addition to achieving board certification and diplomate status within his specialty, Dr. Cone has earned his designation as a Certified Dental Technician. Dr. Cone’s career revolves around his role as a is Key Opinion Leader, intern…
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Sexism And Harassment In Biglaw Are Nothing New with Erin Gordon - Episode 169
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In this episode, Kathryn interviews Erin Gordon, author of "Look What You Made Me Do", a memoir exposing a toxic culture in a prominent law firm. Erin shares her experience of continuous micro-harassments, personal defamation, and inadequate work allocation, leading to extreme stress and impeding her professional growth. Despite having a strong leg…
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Double The Dream! The Tenison Twins’ Journey From Idaho Farm To Playboy Playmates And Doublemint Fame
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Are you going to become a victim of your circumstance or a victor??? Today’s guests chose to take their circumstances and the hand they were dealt and turn it into the lives of their dreams! The Tenison Twins are my guests this week on the podcast, and whether you know it or not, I’m sure you’ve seen them before. From being on the covers of calenda…
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The Path To In-House with Dina Segal - Episode 168
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In this episode, Kathryn interviews Dina Segal, the Chief Legal Officer at Gusto, and discusses her personal and professional journey including her transition from a big law firm to an in-house counsel position and her experiences as a working mother. She speaks about the Lexis Plus platform's innovative Judicial Brief Analysis tool and highlights …
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A Work Partnership Makes All The Difference with Cara Bain and Allison Rosner - Episode 167
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In this episode, directors Cara Bain and Allison Rosner from Major Lindsay in Africa discussed the trajectory of their legal careers and the importance of workplace partnerships. While detailing their unique career paths, they stressed the benefits of diverse backgrounds and perspectives in enhancing team performance. They encouraged listeners to b…
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264: Interview with dentist and Founder & CEO of Dental Consent Cloud, Dr. Sarah Khan
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Dr. Sarah Khan began her dental career after graduating from the University of Pennsylvania in 2011, and have since bought and grown two practices in Seattle, WA, over a span of 12 years. Her journey reflects a deep commitment to delivering exceptional dental care, coupled with a keen understanding of the intricacies of healthcare business manageme…
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You’re Never Too Old To Start with Tresa Todd
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At what point in your life would you be willing to radically change your life and start something new? For most people, the answer wouldn’t be in their 50’s … But that’s exactly what Tresa Todd did. She left her comfortable job in the medical field (after a little nudge from her sons) after 25 years to pursue real estate wholesaling. Years later, s…
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263: Interview with General Dentist & Practice Owner, Dr. Laura Cox Williams
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Dr. Laura Williams did not come from a dental family, but by the age of 12 she knew she wanted to be a dentist. Growing up in rural West Virginia, Laura and her family did not know any female dentists to serve as a role model, but her parents valued higher education and encouraged her on this career path. She graduated Magna Cum Laude from Concord …
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262: Interview with Founder & CEO of Great Dental Websites, Jeff Gladnick
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Although Jeff comes from a family of 7 dentists, he never received “the calling” and instead became a software engineer. After creating a website for his dad’s clinic, he was approached by other members of his family to create their websites, and eventually founded Great Dental Websites. What started as a family project has evolved into the company…
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If you’ve ever struggled with your health but you were unsure why, then this podcast is one you’re going to want to listen to! This week I sit down with my good friend Jennifer Brower to talk about her new book, “Silent Killers,” and her struggle to get answers in her own health journey. For years Jennifer struggled with her health while doctors an…
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261: Interview with general dentist & Cofounder of Cocofloss, Dr. Chrystle Cu
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After years of filling preventable cavities, Dr. Chrystle Cu set out on a mission: Reduce tooth decay and gum disease by creating a floss so effective and delightful that people would actually look forward to using it. In 2015, Cocofloss was born. Since then, her innovative oral-health company has sold over 5 million spools of Cocofloss and gained …
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How To Go From Just A Lawyer To A Rainmaker with Sejal Patel - Episode 166
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In this episode, Kathryn interviewed Sejal Patel from Sage Ivy Consulting. Sejal traces her unique career from law to consulting, emphasizing that law schools should better guide students about alternative legal careers and business development. She suggests young lawyers maintain their professional relationships from law school, cultivate new ones…
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260: Interview with a Diplomate of the American Board of Pediatric Dentistry & Fellow of the American Academy of Pediatric Dentistry, Dr. Jeanette MacLean
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Dr. Jeanette MacLean is a Diplomate of the American Board of Pediatric Dentistry, Fellow of the American Academy of Pediatric Dentistry, owner of Affiliated Children’s Dental Specialists in Glendale, Arizona, and mother of two. She received her dental degree, with honors, from the University of Southern California in 2003 and completed her specialt…
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Conquering Your FOPO with Dr. Mike Gervais
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Do you find yourself constantly worrying about what other people think? Do you find that this affects your work, your life, and your overall happiness? If so, then let me tell you something: you’re not alone! This week on the Kathryn For Real podcast Jon and I are sitting down with our good friend Dr. Mike Gervais. You may have heard of the terms “…
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Law Firm Managing Partner Shares Her Journey To The Top with Frieda Garcia - Episode 165
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Kathryn interviewed Frieda Garcia, a managing partner at BAL. Frieda shares her journey to becoming an immigration lawyer, primarily influenced by her family's legal immigration issues. Although the field is challenging due to its complexity and politicized nature, it is also rewarding, particularly in cases where she's assisted scientists and nurs…
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259: Interview with President and CEO of Identity Theft Resource Center, Eva Velasquez
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Eva Velasquez is the President and CEO of the Identity Theft Resource Center. Eva previously served at the San Diego District Attorney’s Office for 21 years and as the Vice President of Operations for the San Diego Better Business Bureau. She is a recognized leader in the field of identity compromise and crime, cybercrime, and fraud, who has been f…
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Lawyers Need To Invest In Professional Development with Elise Holtzman - Episode 164
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Kathryn interviewed Elise Holtzman, President of The Lawyer’s Edge, who shares her journey from pre-med to law and discusses challenges faced by lawyers. She highlights the pressure being overwhelming leading to visible stress, but advises breaking down goals into smaller achievable tasks. Elise also points out that self-doubts often block individu…
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258: Interview with general dentist and Hawaii Regional Leader, Dr. Rhinelle Hirose
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Dr. Rhinelle Hirose's journey from humble beginnings in Oahu, Hawaii, is nothing short of inspiring. Raised in a single parent household with limited resources, she navigated public schools and community college, earning a scholarship to Hawaii Pacific University where she completed her bachelor's degree. She then graduated from the OHSU School of …
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The Power of Redirection with Granger Smith
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Every parent’s worst nightmare is something happening to their child, and that’s exactly what happened to Granger and his wife Amber in 2019 when their 4-year-old son River, drowned in a pool accident. We talk with Granger about the despair he experienced through this traumatic ordeal but also, the redemption and purpose he experienced through his …
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Decision Fatigue Might Be Hurting The Quality Of Your Work with Susan Myres - Episode 163
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Kathryn interviewed Susan Myres, a Managing Partner of Myres & Associates PLLC, who discusses the prevalence of “decision fatigue” in the legal industry. She suggests lawyers take regular breaks and maintain a work-life balance to counter fatigue and stress. She emphasizes the components of self-care and health in a lawyer’s responsibility to their…
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257: Interview with a Board Certified Pediatric Dentist and CEO & Founder of Mommy Dentists in Business, Dr. Grace Yum
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Dr. Grace Yum is a lifelong resident of the Chicago area, where she grew up in Glenview. She is a mother and a board certified pediatric dentist, a certification achieved by only 5% of all dentists in the U.S. Dr. Yum is the former founder and practice owner of Yummy Dental & Orthodontics for Kid and is currently the founder and CEO of Mommy Dentis…
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Amy Weatherly and Jessica Johnston | Sisterhood Stories: A Real Guide To Friendships
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Making friends is hard! Keeping friendships is even harder and definitely does not get any easier the older you get! Just like any relationship, it takes a lot of time, communication and commitment. Luckily, Kathryn has the secret solution to help build and keep long lasting, meaningful relationships. Their names are Amy Weatherly and Jessica Johns…
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