Heart of the Matter with Elizabeth Vargas is a production from Partnership to End Addiction. Heart of the Matter is an interview series that gives guests the opportunity to share their personal, candid stories about addiction. This podcast offers a space to open up about addiction, substance use and mental health, to share the ways in which people are shifting their narrative – in their own relationships and across communities – to support the cause of ending addiction in our country. Worrie ...
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Featuring everyday Shereos and Heroes sharing inspiring stories of how they persevered after a life- altering event. Story Crafting is a program of You Night Empowering Events and the We Lift You Up Fund - a 501c3 public charity. Our primary focus is to address emotional healing and to help women find a path forward after a cancer diagnosis. However, future plans include stories of trials and triumph from every walk of life. For more information about the Story Crafting program, visit: www.y ...
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An excerpt from Zita's story: "Joy and sorrow can coexist, so let your precious tears fall like diamonds on the floor for there is healing in releasing this built-up pressure, like the white teardrop that emerges from beneath the broken heart of the flower plant. There is value in emotion as in diamonds. It is the release and relief that cleanses, …
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An excerpt from Audrey's story: "My guiding light has been my children and my now husband. My son, at the age of fourteen, was wiser than he knew. The day I received the call for the biopsy, my son looked at me and said “Mom don’t worry, you will be just fine.” My son and daughter helped in every way possible- from learning to change the dressings …
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An excerpt from Maureen's story: "My sisters were also my light. During my first diagnosis, my sisters would be there during my chemotherapy. One would drop me off, and another would pick me up. My oldest sister would go with me to appointments, pull out a notebook, and take copious notes. During my second diagnosis, she would change her work sched…
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An excerpt from Jenna's story: "Throughout my journey, feeling like a square peg, my husband Rich has been my cornerstone. He is my Superman. Rich is compassionate, caring, loving, non-judgmental and could make me laugh during the darkest days. He gives "tough love" even when I don't want to hear it. Rich made some very tough medical decisions that…
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An excerpt from Jamie's story: "My battle against breast cancer wasn't just about survival, it became a catalyst for change- igniting a passion within me to redefine my life's purpose. The journey was far from easy. It has been filled with many tears, therapy sessions, soul-searching, and of course art, creativity, and now photography. I am working…
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Excerpt from Renee's story: "I have overcome adverse childhood experiences. I continue to work on self-growth and acceptance. I thrive to make every day better than yesterday. Challenges will arise but I am stronger now. I am breaking through. I have scraped part of my chrysalis. I see the sunshine. It is so much brighter than the darkness. I am em…
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An excerpt from Eileen's story: "I am stronger than I thought I was. I am not looking at it as "my cup is always full" but more towards being that of Superwoman. I have been faced with many challenges over the years from health challenges to parent challenges and found that I am a fighter, I am strong and there is nothing that I can’t overcome. Eve…
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From Elizabeth's Story: "Life happens, friendships come and go, things change after a life altering experience, but I knew God did not abandon me. My family began praying the rosary. Things changed so much for me. I became calmer and very much at ease. My son was my number one driving force. I knew he needed me, but I needed him more. As exhausted …
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"The Lotus' Earthquake" by Keri McWilliams
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From Keri's story, "The Lotus' Earthquake" Like the lotus, petal by petal I will somehow blossom. The lotus is a symbol of strength, new beginnings and rebirth. My soul’s desire for triumph is fierce. The way a lotus grows is a victory over obstacles that most can’t overcome. So this is not a sad story, it’s a story about someone who had many tough…
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"Like Daddy, Like Daughter" by Jennifer Passarella
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From Jen's story entitled "Like Daddy, Like Daughter" "Acquaintances, close friends, and family have told me that I inspire them with what I’ve gone through, and my response is always, “I didn’t have a choice. I just kept moving because I had to.” And they all respond with something like, “Sure, but you overcame all this trauma in such a way that w…
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“Below Deck” star Captain Sandy Yawn celebrates over 30 years in recovery
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For the season 5 finale of Heart of the Matter, Captain Sandy Yawn from the hit Bravo TV show “Below Deck” joins Elizabeth Vargas to discuss how years of substance use eventually led to more than 30 years in recovery. Sandy also gives advice to anyone struggling – especially those who’ve relapsed – as well as their families. Explore more on topics …
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Figlia founder Lily Geiger: On how her dad's alcohol use impacted her life and inspired her brand
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Figlia founder Lily Geiger joins Elizabeth Vargas to share the inspiration behind her non-alcoholic cocktail brand. Lily reveals what it was like growing up with a parent struggling with substance use – including its profound influence on her life, and why it inspired her to start her own company. Content warning: This episode contains mentions of …
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Author David Ambroz: On his journey from foster care to giving back
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In this episode of “Heart of the Matter”, award-winning author David Ambroz joins Elizabeth Vargas to share his incredible journey of overcoming poverty and homelessness and rising to become a successful lawyer and advocate for change. David’s childhood was marked by hardship and a system that failed him. Yet, he defied the odds, achieving remarkab…
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State Attorney Dave Aronberg: On how to find treatment centers
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Dave Aronberg, who serves as the Palm Beach County State Attorney in Florida, speaks with Elizabeth Vargas about navigating the treatment system. They discuss things people should look for when researching treatment centers, as well as things to avoid. He also explains the “Florida Shuffle” and what patient brokering is – and how this is happening …
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Chef Ashish Alfred gets personal about his addiction
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Award-winning chef Ashish Alfred joins Elizabeth Vargas to discuss his family history with substance use – including his own addiction. Now that he’s in recovery, he is focused on transforming the restaurant industry for those who don’t drink alcohol. Explore more on topics and themes discussed in this episode: Is Your Child at Risk? A Substance Us…
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Lady A’s Charles Kelley: On Honesty in Recovery
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Charles Kelley joins Elizabeth Vargas to talk about his recovery journey. He discloses why he often hid his drinking from those closest to him, how his wife supported his recovery, and why it was important for Charles to be honest about Lady A’s 2022 tour postponement. Explore more on topics and themes discussed in this episode: Navigating the Trea…
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Actor and producer Frankie Grande: Overcoming addiction and finding support
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From a young age, actor and producer Frankie Grande found himself addicted to achievements, craving praise from teachers and his mother. When he was cast in the Broadway show “Mamma Mia!” in his early 20s, Frankie felt like his career hit its peak. He found himself misusing alcohol and other substances - something that would continue for years. Fra…
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TikTok’s Recovery Community with Ryann Cooke and Jordan Shelton
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We often hear about the negative impacts social media can have on mental health, but Ryann Cooke and Jordan Shelton’s lives changed for the better because of the community they found on TikTok. Ryann and Jordan both decided to stop drinking in their 20s after coming to terms with the fact that alcohol was negatively affecting them. They each posted…
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The Surgeon General on the Loneliness Epidemic and His Own Personal Story
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The Surgeon General of the United States, Dr. Vivek Murthy, recently made history by declaring a loneliness epidemic. Feelings of loneliness are on the rise, especially among young people, which can lead to serious health risks. This episode of “Heart of the Matter” is an extended version of Elizabeth Vargas’ conversation with Dr. Vivek Murthy for …
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Fentanyl Q&A with award-winning author and journalist Sam Quinones
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May 9, 2023 is National Fentanyl Awareness Day, a day to spread awareness and education about this deadly substance that is increasingly affecting young people. Award-winning author and journalist Sam Quinones, whose books “Dreamland” and “The Least of Us” explore the nation’s opioid epidemic, returns to “Heart of the Matter” to talk with Elizabeth…
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Big Sky actress Dedee Pfeiffer: Alcohol, Trauma & Recovery
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“Big Sky” actress Dedee Pfeiffer speaks to Elizabeth Vargas about how she silently struggled with an addiction to alcohol, stemming from years of unresolved trauma. But with support from her family, she sought out professional help and has been in recovery for nearly five years. They discuss how Dedee’s family continues to support her in her recove…
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Desperate Housewives' Madison De La Garza: Marijuana, Treatment & Family Support
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Elizabeth Vargas is joined by “Desperate Housewives” actress Madison De La Garza to talk about marijuana use disorder and the role her famous family plays in her recovery. While starring as Juanita on “Desperate Housewives” at just six years old, she was a victim to vicious cyberbullying comments about her appearance, which caused her to develop an…
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“Same Love” singer-songwriter Mary Lambert: On overcoming childhood trauma and her struggle with alcohol
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“Same Love” singer-songwriter Mary Lambert opens up to Elizabeth Vargas about how experiencing childhood trauma, including sexual assault, being diagnosed with bipolar disorder, and a difficult relationship with the church as a queer woman, led to her intentionally misusing alcohol for many years. Now two years without alcohol, the Grammy-nominated…
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Actor and author Matthew Perry: On his addiction journey
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Elizabeth Vargas sits down with actor Matthew Perry for an emotional conversation recorded during his book tour for his bestselling book, “Friends, Lovers, and the Big Terrible Thing.” Matthew shares an incredibly honest, inside look at his decades-long struggle with an alcohol and substance use disorder. Despite his wildly successful career, thing…
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Comedian and actor Tommy Davidson: On finding a second life in recovery
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Tommy Davidson’s childhood was anything but textbook. Discovered on the streets as a toddler by his adoptive white mother, he faced alienation from those who looked down on his interracial upbringing, and strife from a society clinging to racial barriers. But a breakout role on the now-iconic ‘90s sitcom “In Living Color” soon thrust him into fame—…
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Best-selling author David Magee: On how recovery is a journey
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As a child, best-selling author David Magee felt that his life purpose was to write a book that could change lives. He recently told his remarkable journey of triumph in the face of trauma in his book “Dear William: A Father’s Memoir of Addiction, Recovery, Love, and Loss.” A few years ago, David lost his son William to an accidental overdose just …
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Actor and author Cameron Douglas: On recovery, triumph and fatherhood
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This week on Heart of the Matter, actor and author Cameron Douglas, son of Michael Douglas, opens up to Elizabeth Vargas about his incredible recovery journey, as told in his book, “Long Way Home.” Cameron began using substances at 13-years-old, which quickly progressed into a serious addiction. He recounts that even after many years of struggling,…
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Co-founder of Sober Mom Squad Jessica Landon: On second chances, family and laughter
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As an actress, comedian and Playboy model, Jessica Landon appeared to have the perfect life. But deep down, she was silently suffering from unresolved childhood trauma. Jessica began drinking as a pre-teen and didn’t stop. She became so reliant on alcohol that it became “the only way I could survive in the world,” as she describes it. After experie…
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“Below Deck” star Captain Lee Rosbach: On guilt, loss and healing
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Bravo’s “Below Deck” star Captain Lee Rosbach opens up to Elizabeth Vargas on the season three premiere of Heart of the Matter about the excruciating pain he experienced after losing his son Joshua to a fentanyl poisoning. Captain Lee discloses that he and his family did not discuss Joshua’s substance use with friends or his fellow crew members for…
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Harold Koplewicz: Addressing the growing youth mental health crisis
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In our latest episode of Heart of the Matter, host Elizabeth Vargas is joined by Harold Koplewicz, president and medical director of the Child Mind Institute, a nonprofit focused on helping children and families struggling with mental health and learning disorders. Harold shares that one in five children and adolescents struggle with mental health …
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Zachary Levi: Understanding the importance of self-love
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In the latest episode of Heart of the Matter, Elizabeth Vargas is joined by actor Zachary Levi, who opens up about his lifelong struggle with anxiety, depression and suicidal thoughts while starring in hit television shows like Chuck and The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel and blockbuster movies like Shazam! and Tangled. Zachary shares that after living with…
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Paul Holes on his New York Times bestselling book “Unmasked” and the importance of having honest mental health discussions
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In the latest episode of Heart of the Matter, Elizabeth Vargas is joined by investigator Paul Holes, New York Times bestselling author of “Unmasked: My Life Solving America’s Cold Cases.” Paul is known for his role in helping to solve high-profile homicide cases, including the notorious Golden State Killer. But his crime fighting success was masked…
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BONUS EPISODE: Katie Couric interviews Elizabeth Vargas on Next Question Podcast!
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Join us for a bonus episode! Elizabeth recently joined Katie Couric for her podcast Next Question with Katie Couric to discuss the increasing use of alcohol, particularly among women, during the COVID-19 pandemic -- why women are drinking more now than ever; what factors may cause an increase in alcohol consumption; and what recovery looks like. El…
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Dr. Nora Volkow on the state of adolescent mental health and why we urgently need to apply the lessons learned in the pandemic to addiction and mental health
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Like many families, Dr. Nora Volkow’s had kept it a secret that her grandfather had a substance use disorder and eventually committed suicide. Today, as the director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse at the National Institutes of Health, she speaks out regularly about how important it is to share these stories to help other families impacted …
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Song for Charlie co-founders Ed and Mary Ternan on the dramatic rise of counterfeit prescription pills
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After a counterfeit tablet purchased on social media took their son Charlie’s life, Ed and Mary Ternan were determined to take action. Rather than blame social media companies for sales of dangerous substances, Ed and Mary saw an opportunity to make a change. They created the nonprofit Song for Charlie to raise awareness about fentanyl and fentanyl…
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Dan Schneider of Netflix's The Pharmacist on his crusade to end the opioid epidemic and find justice for his son
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After losing his son Danny Jr. to a substance-related shooting, Louisiana pharmacist Dan Schneider was determined to hold the powerful figures behind the nation’s opioid epidemic accountable. The critically acclaimed Netflix docuseries The Pharmacist recounts Dan’s rigorous quest to find answers about his son’s death, and his mission to stop the ov…
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Physician and author Carl Erik Fisher on the history of addiction and the capacity for recovery
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Physician and author Carl Erik Fisher is both a doctor who specializes in addiction treatment and a person who is very public about his own struggles with substance use, who is currently in recovery himself. With his highly praised book The Urge: Our History of Addiction, Dr. Fisher embarks on a feverish search for answers to age-old questions: Wha…
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Author and journalist Sam Quinones on the rise of fentanyl, the methamphetamine crisis and the future of addiction
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In 2015, award-winning author and journalist Sam Quinones took the world by storm with his heavily lauded book Dreamland: The True Tale of America’s Opioid Epidemic, an investigative work that helped awaken the nation to the devastation wreaked by OxyContin. With his newest release, The Least of Us: True Tales of America and Hope in the Time of Fen…
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Las Vegas Raiders tight end Darren Waller on the work of recovery and the past as legacy
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To many who knew him in his college days, Darren Waller had the ideal life: a star football player at Georgia Tech who had caught the eye of NFL scouts, he seemed predestined for a picture-perfect future. However, beneath this glossy veneer was someone who was struggling with opioid use, whose self-confidence was flagging, and whose passion for the…
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Radical compassion and the power of empathy: in the halls with the students of Northshore Recovery High School
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In many ways, Michelle Lipinski is the principal of a high school just like any other. Students rush from class to class from the morning to afternoon, study hard for quizzes and exams, and wait for their senior prom with bated breath. However, one thing sets Northshore Recovery High School apart from most other schools in the nation: All of its st…
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Award-winning screenwriter and producer Danny Strong and author Beth Macy on Dopesick and the Sackler family
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When the miniseries Dopesick premiered on Hulu in late 2021, it was to a world reeling from the conclusion of Purdue Pharma’s bankruptcy proceedings – a settlement that infamously absolved the Sackler family of any opioid-related liability. The show, based on author Beth Macy’s eponymous account of the opioid crisis and starring Michael Keaton in h…
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REPOST: Anne and Sam Lamott on radical self-care, the genetics of addiction and recovery as inner grace
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This week, we’re re-airing one of our favorite interviews from Heart of the Matter with Elizabeth Vargas, featuring Anne and Sam Lamott. Bestselling novelist and essayist Anne Lamott had more than her share of experience with substance use disorders: Growing up with family members with addiction, she also had distinct memories of drinking as a chil…
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REPOST: Laura McKowen on facing pain, telling the truth and looking inward
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This week, we’re re-airing one of our favorite episodes of Heart of the Matter, featuring author and founder of The Luckiest Club, Laura McKowen. When Laura first stopped drinking, she thought of it as “the end of all the color” in her life. But after weathering one particularly challenging night, she realized the magic that comes with being in rec…
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REPOST: Emmy Award-winning actress Patricia Heaton opens up about overcoming drinking, having faith and being a mother
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This week, we’re re-airing one of our favorite interviews from Heart of the Matter with Elizabeth Vargas featuring Emmy Award winner Patricia Heaton, star of Everybody Loves Raymond and The Middle. While Patricia was working long hours on TV sets and taking care of her four young children, she kept her drinking at bay. But when those shows ended an…
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REPOST: Top Chef Gregory Gourdet on Reimaging his Relationship with Drugs and Alcohol and Redefining an Industry Bursting with Substance Use
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This week, we’re re-airing one of our favorite interviews from Heart of the Matter with Elizabeth Vargas, featuring chef Gregory Gourdet. When Gregory was an up-and-coming chef at a top Manhattan restaurant, he found himself spending nights after shifts partying, fueled by alcohol and cocaine. It was only when he moved across the country to Portlan…
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REPOST: Actress Kristen Johnston Describes the Struggles of Overcoming Addiction and Loving Someone with Addiction
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This week, we’re re-airing one of our favorite interviews from Heart of the Matter with Elizabeth Vargas, featuring actress and star of 3rd Rock from the Sun Kristen Johnston. When Kristen first started finding success in television, feelings of self-doubt and panic began to overwhelm her. She turned to prescription painkillers, and addiction began…
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World and international boxing champion Mia St. John on the isolation of relapse, recovery as connection and her fight through grief and loss
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A fighter in every sense of the word, boxing champion Mia St. John encountered addiction from a young age, growing up with a father who struggled with drinking and attending her first Alcoholics Anonymous group when she was just twelve years old. Years later, she witnessed her son's struggle with mental illness and a cycle of substance use as self-…
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Anne and Sam Lamott on radical self-care, the genetics of addiction and recovery as inner grace
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Bestselling novelist and essayist Anne Lamott had more than her share of experience with substance use disorders: Growing up with family members with addiction, she also had distinct memories of drinking as a child. Decades later, she watched as her son Sam began struggling with methamphetamines. Today, both mother and son have been in recovery for…
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Cheryl Burke of “Dancing with the Stars” on therapeutic honesty, addiction in the family and life in the spotlight
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To the fans who watch her on their TV screens, Cheryl Burke leads the picture-perfect life, dancing her way across countless stages and starring on national broadcasts. However, there is more to the “Dancing with the Stars” competitor than may meet the eye: Beneath the impressive veneer is someone who is unafraid to open up about her struggles with…
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Author and activist Ryan Hampton on the inside story of the Purdue Pharma settlement and looking beyond the Sackler family
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In the early 2000s, Ryan Hampton was homeless and struggling with an opioid addiction, wondering how he had gone from working as a White House staffer to begging for change on a California street corner. A decade later in recovery, Ryan found himself at the epicenter of Purdue Pharma’s bankruptcy settlement, fighting for justice in a case that grip…
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