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Get inspiration and new ideas to grow your business podcast. A few times each month, hear from business podcast hosts in professional service industries. Learn why they started podcasting, how they position their shows, how it connects to their business, and more. Hosted by John Tyreman, founder of Red Cedar Marketing.
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Breaking BizDev

John Tyreman & Mark Wainwright

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Most professional services firms are built on a foundation of technical expertise and relationships. But what happens when referrals stop coming in? You need to do 'business development' — a nebulous term that often conflates sales, marketing, operations, HR, and the kitchen sink. On the Breaking BizDev podcast, John Tyreman and Mark Wainwright break down, beat up, and redefine 'business development' for the modern professional services firm. This co-hosted commentary-style show shares stori ...
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John Garrett’s research involves asking professionals, "Who else are you beyond your job title?" Accountants, consultants, lawyers, engineers, and other professionals everywhere are doing hobbies and passions after they leave the office. We discuss why these outside-of-work interests matter and how they've impacted their career.
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The podcast for technical people who find themselves responsible for sales and marketing, because they started a company or got promoted. We interview experts and other technical folks who have figured out how to hack the sales and marketing world the way they used to hack code. Don't believe the myth that only "natural" sales people can sell.
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Wow-- episode 100! Podcasting expert John Tyreman provides tips on using your podcast to get clients, including: Figuring out the right format for your podcast. How to get guests without stress. How to promote your podcast. What equipment you do (and don't) need And so much more. And if you're a solo professional, looking to convert podcast energy …
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Franky Lopez, a senior accountant at BMSS Advisors and CPAs, shares his passion for competitive TV shows. Franky dives into his love for "Survivor," "Big Brother," and "The Challenge," as well as game shows like "Wheel of Fortune" and "Deal or No Deal." And let's not forget the Dallas Mavericks in the NBA. Growing up, his family frequently watched …
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Get a behind-the-scenes look at Breaking BizDev. In this episode, John and Mark pull back the curtain on the production process, the technology they utilize, and how they're building listener engagement. From their first episode to their vision for the future, you'll hear what has worked, what hasn't, and their plans moving forward. 0:00 Intro 1:50…
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Leadership transition is a major brand milestone and a cultural crossroads. So what role does sales and marketing play? In this episode, John and Mark explore how sales and marketing both support succession planning and leadership transition. In this conversation, you'll learn: Why it's important to expose young team members to sales and marketing …
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Wendy Walker, VP of Regulatory Affairs at Sovos, shares her passion for quilting and running. Wendy reveals how she began quilting eight years ago to connect with her mom, utilizing pictures and video calls to collaborate from different states. She discusses the therapeutic and creative aspects of quilting, highlighting its significance as a stress…
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Podcasting can accelerate your network growth. Remotely. Inspired by a lack of local Society for Marketing Professional Services (SMPS) chapters and the desire to stay connected during COVID-19, Keelin Cox set out to create a platform that provided access to industry knowledge and offered inspiration for AEC professionals. Today, the her AEC Market…
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The role you play in developing new business changes as you grow throughout your career. Whether you're a junior practitioner, mid-career professional, or seasoned industry veteran, this episode is for you. John and Mark explore how firm employees—regardless of tenure—can (and should) contribute to developing new business. In this conversation, we …
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John Tyreman shares how something simple like having his drum set in the background during a work video call with a client sparked a deeper connection and conversation. He emphasizes the importance of sharing personal interests to build meaningful relationships at work. John recalls inheriting his mom's Pearl Export drum set and how jamming with a …
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For many consultants and solo business professionals, sales can feel uncomfortable. But even one-person businesses need sales to survive, let alone grow. Reuben Swartz is solving this problem with his monthly podcast, “Sales for Nerds” and his product, Mimiran—the fun, simple anti-CRM for solo consultants. In this episode, Reuben shares his experie…
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Mitigate risk and navigate the contracting phase effortlessly In Part 3 of this deep dive into the "Create, Choreograph, Contract" framework, John and Mark break down what happens between a verbal agreement and a signed contract. They look at the emotional and practical aspects of risk in decision-making processes, how both clients and consultants …
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Make your sales process look effortless and feel frictionless. In Part 2 of their deep dive into the "Create, Choreograph, Contract" framework, Mark and John explore the importance of deliberate and structured interactions with buyers, like how mirroring and reflecting can establish trust, and how seeking permission at each step ensures both partie…
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Yes, it is possible to get off the RFP hamster wheel. In Part 1 of their deep dive into the "Create, Choreograph, Contract" framework, John and Mark uncover the secrets behind creating the firm you want by breaking down different market segments, leveraging your network, and the power of proactive opportunity creation. In this conversation, you'll …
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Is your BD process disorganized? Disjointed? Nonexistent? Consider using this 3-part framework to get your sales back on track. In this episode, Mark introduces his three-part business development framework, "Create, Choreograph, Contract", aimed to help doer-sellers and dedicated business developers create a cyclical process for winning new busine…
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Eric Kamont, Director of Strategic Partnerships for the Industrial Metaverse at Microsoft, discusses the transformative power of integrating personal passions into professional environments. Eric shares how using personal interests as icebreakers has strengthened his connections in both work and while running youth programs. He reflects on losing 1…
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If you're an engineer, architect, advisor, or consultant, chances are at some point in your career you'll need to learn how to develop new business. On this episode, Mark explains how experts and firms can create a "sales competency matrix" that helps firms identify and then build competence in specific areas. He does this by mapping 6 sales compet…
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Sometimes the allure of working for yourself turns into just having a lot of bosses and you can end up getting burn out all over again. Lydia Lee walked down that path and learned how to put her life first, despite some interesting obstacles (there's a literal exploding toilet), and build her business around her life, instead of trying to squeeze h…
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Dave Hartley, a partner with Anders CPAs and Advisors and host of the But Who's Counting? podcast, shares his insights on the importance of authenticity and individuality in professional settings. Dave highlights how firm leaders play a crucial role in fostering genuine connections, especially in remote work environments. He recounts his love for m…
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How intentional are you with your podcast? Roger Knecht, President of Universal Accounting, has helped thousands of accountants, bookkeepers, and tax preparers start and build a successful accounting firm. Roger also hosts Building the Premier Accounting Firm, a weekly show that is nearing 300 episodes. Every decision Roger made with his podcast ha…
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For Aaron Moncur, a podcast is more than just a marketing tool. It's a way to build relationships, showcase expertise, and ultimately drive revenue for his custom engineering services business. With over 250 published episodes, Moncur's "Being an Engineer" podcast has become a cornerstone of his company's growth strategy. 0:00 Intro 3:14 How Aaron …
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Understand your buyers. Win more business. That's what an Ideal Client Profile (ICP) helps you do. In today's episode, John and Mark explore why understanding your ideal client profile is essential for aligning your sales and marketing efforts, and offer examples of how to apply your ideal client profile (ICP) in business development activities. On…
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Judge Frank Szymanski discusses the importance of finding activities that bring joy and focus, advocating for spending time in "flow mode." Frank shares his passion for meditation, mindfulness, and yoga, and his efforts to implement these practices in the juvenile and adult prison systems. He also reflects on his dual identity as a singer in a Davi…
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Writing a book for your consulting business? Use a podcast for research. When John Garrett decided to write a book, he launched a podcast to help with his research. Eventually, the What's Your And? podcast has served as a remarkable launchpad for speaking engagements and business opportunities, contributing to an estimated $200,000 in new business—…
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Why do we always cheer for the underdog? Think about your favorite underdog story. Chances are, you want to see David beat out Goliath. Well, the same thing that gets you to root for Rudy or the Bad News Bears is the same thing that's killing your firm... In this episode, John and Mark break down "the underdog effect" and how it can cause you to ch…
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Sherri Collins, the Chief Diversity and Engagement Officer at Make-A-Wish Michigan, talks with John Garrett about her passion for the performing arts. Inspired by her mother, Sherri's love for musicals, orchestras, and dance performances began at a young age when she first saw Annie. She discusses how these experiences foster human connection, tran…
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Selling the way your customers want to buy makes sales (and marketing) so much easier, but most businesses refuse to do it. In this episode, veteran market Kristin Zhivago (and author of Roadmap to Revenue: How to Sell the Way Your Customers Want to Buy) discusses how you can uncover your best customers' buying behaviors so you can align your marke…
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Podcasting seems like a crowded space, but it's really not. It’s a blue ocean opportunity. Especially for expertise-driven businesses who need to build trust with buyers, accelerate network growth, and create endless content. If you’re asking yourself, “should I start a podcast?” then you’re in the right place. This episode explores five critical q…
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Build a thriving Slack community with your podcast. Brett Trainor is using his podcast, The Corporate Escapee, to build a community of Gen X professionals who want to ditch their 9-5. In this episode of Podcasting in Professional Services, Brett sits down with John Tyreman to share his experience running his show. We cover: How Brett reaches Gen X-…
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Your revenue projections are your firm's crystal ball. If your backlog, pipeline, and projections are organized, it can position your firm in a way to do healthy, proactive marketing to win highly profitable work. In this episode, John and Mark break it all down: How marketing can make both a short- and long-term pipeline impact How marketing's goa…
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Josh Sterling, a wealth strategist at Camus Advice in California, shares his unique journey from soccer player and coach to his current career. He emphasizes the importance of teamwork, family, and goal-setting, drawn from his extensive experience coaching high school and youth soccer teams. Josh advises listeners to identify their strengths and le…
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Can I have your attention, please? Will the real Scotty Scarano please stand up? There’s not too many people who blend hip hop with accounting, but that’s exactly what Scotty “OKR” Scarano is doing through his personal brand on LinkedIn, his YouTube page, and through his podcast, Accounting High. Scotty believes that learning how to run a practice …
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Midway through your fiscal year, any business is faced with one of three revenue pacing scenarios: You’re exceeding expectations You’re exactly where you thought you’d be You’re not meeting original revenue targets On this episode, Mark breaks down different ways to set revenue goals (revenue per employee, calculating potential revenue, and using a…
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AI is all the rage these days (I get lots of pitches, some of them seemingly AI-generated, to come on Sales for Nerds and talk about AI). I decided to go to the source and have a conversation with ChatGPT from OpenAI. It was mindblowing, scary, and uncanny, all at the same time. Take a listen and decide for yourself, plus get tips on using AI for y…
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This week's guest is Sugey Piedra, an enrolled agent at Prominence Business and Wealth Management and host of the Tax Talk with Hey Hey podcast. Sugey shares her passion for smoking cigars while traveling, revealing how it has allowed her to meet fascinating people worldwide. She talks about her childhood restrictions that ignited her love for trav…
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It rarely takes 5 or 6 years to launch a podcast, but that was the case for Alastair McDermott. Since then he's launched a handful of shows and written a book titled 33 Ways Not to Screw Up Your Business Podcast. Going through the process of planning his podcast exposed a lack of specialization in Alastair's business. From there, he narrowed down h…
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CRM platforms like Salesforce and HubSpot were designed to sell SaaS products. Not professional services. And yet you find yourself face-to-face with a tech salesperson who presents a glimmer of hope: with a new CRM system, you'll grow revenue, your team will be rowing in the same direction, and you'll close deals faster. The reality? You're left w…
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Chris Fuller-Wigg, Vice President of Sales at Motiv and advocate for rescuing farmed animals, shares his passion for creating the Austin Farm Sanctuary. He reflects on rescuing two goats and a pig that sparked the sanctuary's growth from a half-acre property in 2016 to 95 acres housing over 215 animals by 2021. Chris emphasizes the importance of be…
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I took a sample of 150 podcasts across accounting, AEC, and legal industries. A whopping 70% had only one host! Personally, I've hosted four podcasts; two were solo shows, and two were co-hosted with a colleague. There are pros and cons to each format, but I found co-hosting a podcast to be much more enjoyable. Let's explore the untapped benefits o…
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Your decisions are influenced by natural psychological forces. Whether that's deciding on which coffee size to select, or which firm to work with... cognitive bias is at play. On this episode of Breaking BizDev, John and Mark share 7 cognitive biases that shape new business development, and share how you can use them to help buyers make better, mor…
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Rory Henry, director at Arrowroot Family Office and host of the AFO Wealth Management Forward podcast, shares how he's seen the What's Your "And"? message resonate with so many people in a short amount of time. He emphasizes the importance of saying "Yes, and" to opportunities, which can lead to serendipitous moments in life. Rory also touches on h…
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Use a podcast to let your charisma and personality shine through. That's how BJ Kraemer approached it when he launched the Inspiring People & Places podcast in 2021. On the show, he interviews national leaders in the AEC industry to educate and inspire industry professionals to disrupt the status quo, improve their project teams and steward public …
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Tim Hyde from Win More Clients shares his entrepreneurial journey and the importance of using a CRM to get and stay organized. Tim also delves into how to find your ideal customers, and why you have to go where they are, because the number one problem solopreneurs face is that their best clients don't even know they exist... Brought to you by Mimir…
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We're not the only ones who think BizDev needs a smack-down. For several months now John and Mark have beaten up and broken down various business development topics like prospecting, content marketing, pricing, events, proposals, referrals, and even job descriptions. A while back, we had this idea to go out and ask some friendly contacts what *they…
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Wealth Management Director and Author Lindsey Kane Leaverton joins host John Garrett to discuss the intersection of her financial expertise and her passion for creativity. Lindsey shares insights from her book "Not Another Self-Help Book," reflecting on the role of songwriting and writing in her personal healing journey. She delves into the unexpec…
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How should experts and busy doer-sellers approach prospecting? On this episode, John and Mark share three specific examples of multi-channel prospecting sequences that your firm can put into practice right away using LinkedIn, email, and the phone: A two-week cohort-based prospecting sequence A 120-day, podcast-led prospecting sequence A post-confe…
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Investing in a podcast can be a gradual, long-term investment. Brannon Poe started podcasting in 2013, where he would record conversations on his phone. Today, Accountant's Flight Plan publishes two episodes each month and has a backlog of guests waiting to have a conversation with Brannon. In this conversation, we explore: An overview of Poe Group…
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Improve the structure and variety of your episodes. This episode is meant to be a guide for podcasters who want to learn more about how to structure episodes, use different episode types, formats, and improve their outlines. I share my own experience as well as perspective from other business podcasters. In this episode, we cover: Solo host episode…
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Zane Stevens joins host John Garrett to share insights on his nontraditional approach to accountancy firm structure, prioritizing employee happiness for increased productivity. He delves into his personal passions, including his significant involvement in coaching soccer and managing a youth soccer league. Zane credits the skills he's developed thr…
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Very few professional services podcasts make it to 400 episodes. The Consulting Success® podcast will hit that milestone in 2024. I had the pleasure of sitting down with Michael Zipursky, host of the show, to hear his experience launching and running the podcast. In this conversation, Michael shares: - Originally released 60-70 episodes but found i…
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Whether you believe it or not, lead generation is possible for your firm. On this episode of Breaking BizDev, John and Mark break down 7 content marketing frameworks that can be used to generate leads in professional services: The Email Newsletter The Podcast Flywheel Original Research Influencer Co-Creation Content Darwinism Demand Capture Funnel …
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Sales may feel "icky", but serving others feels good, and leads to great results. In this episode, Steve Ramona, host of the Doing Business with a Servant's Heart podcast and the Together We Serve TV show discusses how he learned that his network was his net worth, and how you can do the same, even (especially?) if you're an introvert who doesn't l…
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