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Artists of Morality is led by Atlanta native Jasmin Rhia. She promotes self-love and mental health awareness using the power of music. This radio show airs weekly and features Jasmin Rhia spinning dope beats while shredding the Violin. Enjoy! Checkout idratherberichnotfamous.com to keep in touch. Peace, love, and light.
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The Legal Burnouts

Kate Bridal, Josey Hoff, and Rhia Batchelder

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Join former nonprofit attorney Kate Bridal, former paralegal Josey Hoff, and former BigLaw attorney Rhia Batchelder as they get real about all the stuff that leads to burnout in the legal industry and beyond. Through honest, good-humored conversations with each other and their guests, Kate, Josey, and Rhia offer solutions, laugh to keep from crying, and normalize the conversation around burnout. If you're interested in booking Rhia and/or Kate to speak at your company, firm, or conference, s ...
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Not Elsewhere Classified is a podcast where we create conversations and share stories with individuals in the medical coding, health information technology, and clinical documentation integrity community. This podcast is hosted by Brian Cui, RHIA, CDIP and presented by MedicalCodingGeek.com
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Join Dr. Frederick L. (Rick) Greene each month as he hosts the podcast series, Cancer Registry World™, that focuses on the role of cancer registrars and cancer registries in the universal treatment of malignancy. Each segment will feature cancer registrars, clinicians, organizations, administrators, researchers, and representatives of all healthcare groups who contribute to and benefit from data that are derived from cancer registries.
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In this episode of Cancer Registry World, we are excited to feature two esteemed colleagues from Health Catalyst: Launa Goodman, Clinical Data Program Manager for Oncology, and Allie Coronis, Senior Vice President of Tech-Enabled Managed Services (TEMS). They delve into the crucial role that cancer and other registries play in meeting the global de…
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This episode of "Cancer Registry World" features Dr. Lara Harik, Associate Professor in the Department of Pathology and Laboratory Medicine at Emory University School of Medicine. Dr. Harik also serves as the current Chair of the Cancer Committee for the College of American Pathologists. In this episode, she discusses the crucial role of cancer reg…
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This segment of “Cancer Registry World” features Dr. Roshan Prabhu, MD, the Director of the Proton Therapy Center at the Atrium Health - Levine Cancer Institute in Charlotte, NC. Dr. Prabhu discusses the application and importance of collecting registry information for patients treated with the relatively new radiation oncology technique of proton …
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We’re ending Season 2 with a bang! In this episode, Kate and Rhia are joined by Reshma Saujani, leading activist and the founder of Girls Who Code and Moms First, formerly Marshall Plan for Moms. Reshma has spent more than a decade building movements to fight for women and girls’ economic empowerment, most recently advocating for policies to suppor…
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It’s Josey’s last episode as co-host of The Legal Burnouts, so Kate and Rhia bid her a fond farewell and learn more about why she’s leaving and her next steps. Josey opens up about her current burnout, which stems mainly from physical injuries she sustained over a year ago. Josey didn’t address the injuries at the time they happened due to a combin…
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This week, Kate and Rhia are joined by Rhia’s law school classmate Faridat Arogundade, a former Biglaw attorney who has created her own high-quality, plus-sized fashion line, Ìfẹ́mi. Faridat honestly and insightfully discusses her experience as a plus-sized Black woman in Biglaw and society in general. In her 8 years as a Biglaw attorney, Faridat …
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This segment of Cancer Registry World features Melissa Pearson, ODS-C and Manager of Evaluation and Quality at the North Carolina Central Cancer Registry. She discusses the unique role that state cancer registries play in oncology data collection and assessment of the epidemiology of cancer. Please enjoy listening and learning!…
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In Kate and Josey’s final guest interview together, they talk with the man who inspired them to start The Legal Burnouts, Kyle Kelly. Kyle, a former digital forensics professional, worked at tiny companies like Salesforce and Coinbase before deciding to break off and create his own legal technology. He is now the CEO and founder of Zubu, the world’…
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This week, Rhia and Kate speak to Megan Senese, cofounder of Stage, a women-owned legal marketing and business development firm that offers- among many other services- a free program to support working parents before and after parental leave. This program, called Courderoy, was partially inspired by Megan’s previous experience hiding her pregnancy …
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In this segment of Cancer Registry World, we welcome Mary Maul, Education Manager for the National Cancer Registrars Association. The discussion focuses on the vast array of educational offerings sponsored by NCRA, the future of in-person meetings in the era of virtual educational opportunities and methodology to assess the quality of educational p…
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Content warning: This episode contains discussions of infertility and miscarriage. In honor of National Infertility Awareness Week, Kate and Rhia are joined by fertility activist (and aspiring cyborg) Emily Petrich, who went from suffering through infertility in silence, to speaking out about her experience on social media, to becoming an activist …
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This week, in a very special episode, The Newfangled Lawyer (Patrick Patino) crosses over with The Legal Burnouts (Kate Bridal and Rhia Batchelder) to talk baked potatoes, burnout, and how to make the law a kinder profession. Patrick, Kate, and Rhia discuss unleashing themselves on social media, whether it’s possible to practice law in a way that a…
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Josey and Kate’s dreams come true when they get to nerd out over the Enneagram with none other than Enneagram Ashton! Ashton Whitmoyer-Ober is a community psychologist, certified Enneagram educator, author, and Enneagram Type 2. She walks Kate (Type 3) and Josey (Type 5) through each Enneagram type and how burnout may manifest for them. The Enneagr…
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In this episode of Cancer Registry World, we delve into the arena of legislation and advocacy as these topics relate to important issues for cancer registries and Oncology Data Specialists. The Counting Veterans Cancer Act, discussed in this segment, was signed into law on March 9, 2024. Linda Corrigan, MHE, RHIT, ODS-C, is Manager of Cancer Regist…
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Kate and Rhia are joined by Paula Liub, an anti-burnout coach specifically for neurodivergent and highly sensitive women. Paula talks about grappling with burnout as a neurodivergent woman, her struggle to get a diagnosis, and how she came to her work promoting neurodivergent wellness. Paula uses a unique blend of science-backed and mindfulness tec…
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Kate and Rhia chat with Neil Handwerker and Kimberly Fine, founders of ex judicata, the only employment site specifically designed to help lawyers find nonlegal jobs. Lawyers are told that their law degrees will open all sorts of doors for them, but they often feel stuck and struggle to find suitable alternative careers. Kim and Neil saw this gap a…
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This episode was originally supposed to be a discussion of recent DEI team layoffs, then a lighthearted career clarity session between Rhia and Kate. But when recording happened… that wasn’t the vibe. Instead of the career clarity portion, Josey, Kate, and Rhia grappled with their feelings around the recent IFV decision in Alabama. In what is maybe…
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This edition of Cancer Registry World features guest Michael Serwint, MD, ODS-C at Atrium Health Wake Forest Baptist in Winston Salem, NC. Dr. Serwint brings a unique and fascinating perspective to his cancer registry experience as a former practicing medical oncologist who eventually became a Certified Oncology Data Specialist. Please enjoy listen…
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This week, Kate and Rhia are joined by Career Coach and recovering perfectionist, Jordana Confino. Jordana shares her high achiever origin story, from chasing achievement in high school, to law school at Yale, to a series of career choices that kept burning her out. She then shares how she used science-backed, positive psychology to go from debilit…
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This episode contains references to genocide, violence, and self-harm. Listener discretion is advised. On their first guest episode together, Kate and Rhia interview Vanessa Joy, champion of equality and communication, Host/Executive Producer of the Transcending Humanity podcast, and former political candidate (who also happens to be transgender). …
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We’re baaaaack! In the Season 2 premiere Kate, Josey, and new cohost Rhia Batchelder nerd out about crosswords, logic games, and puzzles. Then they dive into that Jo Koy comment at the Golden Globes, Barbie’s Oscar snubs, and how those events reflect the burnout crisis among women.* *At the time of this recording, we hadn’t seen the news about the …
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In this edition of Cancer Registry World, Sara Morel, AAS, BS, ODS and Lead Oncology Data Specialist for MyMichigan Health in Midland, MI, discusses her emotional connection to cancer care which led to her success in the cancer registry. Please enjoy listening and learning!By ERS, Inc.
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In this edition of Cancer Registry World, Elliot Asare, MD, FACS, discusses the role of cancer registry data in developing staging strategies for the 9th Version of the AJCC TNM system. Dr. Asare is a surgical oncologist and Assistant Professor at the University of Utah School of Medicine and Attending Surgeon at the Huntsman Cancer Center in Salt …
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Monty and Rhias watched a bunch of movies and now they are going to talk about them. They also watched some television shows, including Street Dance of China, and they have some thoughts on those as well. And they have some things they’re looking forward to in 2024! 2023 Wrapup Monty Ashley and Rhias Hall Support this show and other shows like it o…
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In this episode of Cancer Registry World, we welcome Lisa Robinson, RHIA, CTR, Director of Clinical Data Registries for Advocate Health Care, Midwest Region. Ms. Robinson discusses the importance of cancer registries in large multi-institutional healthcare systems as well as highlighting the technological advances that may impact registry operation…
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This edition of Cancer Registry World features two leaders at Syapse - Thomas Brown, MD, MBA, Chief Medical Officer and Jennifer Jurivich, Senior Vice President Health Systems. They discuss the importance of data acquired from cancer registries which is used to inform decision making that allows hospitals and healthcare systems to optimize cancer t…
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We know we said we were done, but we couldn’t end a season with 13 episodes. It’s too spooky. So in honor of Halloween, Kate and Josey got together in Seattle for a special bonus episode. Dressed as best friends Keeley and Rebecca from Ted Lasso, Kate and Josey were quizzed by Kate’s real-life best friend Larkin Harrington (AKA Ted) on how well the…
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In the final episode of the first season, Kate and Josey take a deeper dive into their most recent, shared burnout experience, including how constant change is a recipe for quick and severe burnout, and how hopping to something "easier" from the legal field can make you feel unentitled to burn out. They also discuss what they’ve learned this season…
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WARNING: This episode contains discussions of, and references to, sexual assault and abortion. Listener discretion is advised. On our final guest episode of the season, we’re joined by Chloe Diaz, who gets real about all the unspoken rules law school and the legal profession are riddled with. Chloe opens up about her difficult experience as a first…
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This edition of Cancer Registry World features Daniel Boffa, MD, Professor of Surgery and Chief of the Division of Thoracic Surgery at the Yale University School of Medicine. In addition to his outstanding academic surgery career, Dr. Boffa is also a leader in the development of quality benchmarks for the Commission on Cancer and the American Colle…
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This week, Henry Nelson-Case, aka That Corporate Lawyer, discusses his burnout experience on what he calls “the most unhinged podcast I’ve been on.” This episode set the record for longest recording time of any yet at over 2 ½ hours. But because Henry, Kate, and Josey got on too well and couldn’t stop laughing, they only got 45 minutes of serious c…
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In the most universally applicable episode yet, anti-burnout coach and former Biglaw attorney Rhia Batchelder joins Kate and Josey to talk about her journey from working in New York firms to building her own business. Rhia gives a ton of actionable tips on how to prevent and recover from burnout, as well as advice for companies on how to build anti…
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Rilee Harrison, lead attorney and head of marketing at Cain Law, sits down with Josey and Kate to share how he burned out during his first semester of law school. He also discusses how that experience with burnout affected his ability to pass the bar on the first try. Rilee discusses how the entire law school process, from having to get a potential…
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Kyle Robisch, partner at Bradley Arant Boult Cummings, and Marissa Khetan, portfolio manager at Equal Justice Works, join Kate and Josey to talk all things boundaries. (Fun fact: Marissa and Kate also used to work together as attorneys at the same legal aid organization!) This episode is relevant to anyone who is wondering how to set effective boun…
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In this episode of Cancer Registry World, we welcome Jim Hofferkamp, BA, CTR, current Program Manager of Education for the North American Association of Central Cancer Registries (NAACCR). Mr. Hofferkamp is a national leader in CTR education and presents frequently at conferences and webinars throughout the United States. Please enjoy listening and…
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Trial attorney, entrepreneur, and podcast host Robert Simon sits down with Kate and Josey to talk about how letting go of his ego allowed him to overcome burnout and continue practicing law. Bob discusses the importance of delegation, intentionality, and finding a good mentor, and he and Josey debate the practicality of contingency fees vs the bill…
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Good management is key to preventing burnout in the legal field, but most people aren't trained to be managers. Many attorneys who manage others are already overwhelmed by demanding clients and workloads, making learning proper management the furthest thing from their minds. If this applies to you, you're in luck! This week, Ashley Herd, CEO and fo…
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Barbie! John Wick 4! Haunted Mansion! More! Including One and Only, a new Chinese dance movie! Monty and Rhias have had themselves a MONTH, but they’re back and ready to talk about movies! Monty And Rhias Play Catch-Up Monty Ashley and Rhias Hall Support this show and other shows like it on The Incomparable network by becoming a member. Members get…
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Matt Margolis, famed TikToker and Head of Community and Legal at Lawtrades, joins Josey and Kate to discuss how burnout followed him through his career in firms, government, and in-house, until he learned to control the external and internal factors that lead to it. With his trademark humor and enthusiasm, Matt compares burnout to ice cream, talks …
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In this episode of Cancer Registry World, we welcome Denise Harrison, BS, CTR, current Education Board Director for the National Cancer Registrars Association (NCRA). Ms. Harrison is a national leader in CTR education who frequently presents at conferences throughout the United States. Enjoy listening and learning!…
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In honor of bar exam week, bar exam abolitionist Liz Gil gets real with Kate and Josey about the inequities of the exam, and the "breathtaking pushback" she experienced when advocating for change during the 2020 Barpocalypse. Liz, Kate, and Josey attempt to unpack why already licensed attorneys are so determined to keep the bar exam in place: Is it…
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Corporate attorney CJ Donald sits down with Kate and Josey to share his story of burnout, which stemmed from both the burden of race work- the extra, often unpaid work of mentoring and recruiting that is placed on Black associates- and from working at an unsustainable pace, doing work he had outgrown. This is a can't-miss episode with practical adv…
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In our first guest episode, Tom Stephenson, VP of Community and Legal Operations at Legal.io and host of the Dear Legal Ops podcast, shares why he chose to leave a decade-long career as a firm paralegal for a career in legal ops, and how learning to live authentically helped him overcome burnout. Learn how Tom has navigated his identity as a member…
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Kate and Josey share their stories of burning out in traditional law, and discuss some aspects of the legal industry that may cause burnout to be such a widespread issue in the profession. They also realize they don't actually know each other that well yet: Stay tuned to see whether their friendship continues or blossoms into hate. (Sound quality i…
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In this episode of Cancer Registry World, we welcome Sharon Gentry, MSN, RN, HON-ONN-CG, AOCN, CBCN, the Program Director of the Academy of Oncology Nurse and Patient Navigators (AONN+) and the incoming Editor of the Journal of Oncology Navigation and Survivorship (JONS). Our discussion focuses on the role of the oncology nurse and patient navigato…
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The “big movies” in theaters have failed to excite Monty and Rhias, so they’ve been watching weird stuff. Stuff like Terminus (a future-sport Vansploitation movie with a creepy AI with a moving mouth), Invitation to a Murder (some spoilers are involved, but they don’t matter), Freak Dance (the UCB dance-movie parody that turns out to have Sam Reige…
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Monty and Rhias chose not to see the new Transformers movie because the Grand Illusion was showing Ninja 3: The Domination, a movie of which they are both fond. Monty also has some thoughts on Grease 2. Ninja 3: The Domination Monty Ashley and Rhias Hall Support this show and other shows like it on The Incomparable network by becoming a member. Mem…
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In this edition of Cancer Registry World, we welcome Kay Washington, MD, PhD, who discusses the importance of cancer registry data for the pathology community. As Chair of the American Joint Committee on Cancer Editorial Committee, Dr. Washington will also describe the significance of registry data in the development of the TNM cancer staging strat…
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Monty and Rhias saw Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse and are very excited to talk about it! So excited, in fact, that they might let slip some plot points, so be warned. Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse Monty Ashley and Rhias Hall Support this show and other shows like it on The Incomparable network by becoming a member. Members get early acc…
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Monty and Rhias have no real interest in seeing the new live-action Little Mermaid, so instead they watched the 1967 Dr. Dolittle (Rex Harrison), the 1998 Dr. Dolittle (Eddie Murphy), and the 2020 Dolittle (Robert Downey, Jr.). Monty Ashley and Rhias Hall Support this show and other shows like it on The Incomparable network by becoming a member. Me…
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