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I'm Kathryn Gordon and your Host of the Kathryn For Real podcast. I decided to create this podcast after so many readers of my book "Relationship Grit" commented on how refreshingly real it was. You see I'm a mother, a wife, an entrepreneur, and a best selling author, but what I'm most known for in my circles is my unwavering ability to call it as I see it and ask the tough questions. So In this podcast you will hear amazing authentic stories, learn valuable lessons, and discover some of my ...
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Turning down the noise of what we are hearing in the news cycle, social media, and the discourse to get to the information on culture, politics, and the issues of the day we need to properly discern the times we live in. Hosted by Andrew Donaldson
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Kathryn Rubino at Above the Law

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We are an offshoot of the Above the Law legal blog. But we are focused on the challenges women, people of color, LGBTQIA, and other diverse populations face in the legal industry. Let's be real -- it can suck out there. So we want to create a space where our community can come together share stories, find support and devise strategies. Our name comes from none other than the Notorious Ruth Bader Ginsburg and the jabot (decorative collar) she wears when delivering dissents from the bench. It' ...
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Kathryn chats with Peter Bronstein, a radio show host and founder of Legal Steps. Peter shares why he became a lawyer, driven by a desire for fairness, and narrates his journey from in-house counsel to successful independent practice. Discover compelling stories of his career highs, advice for aspiring lawyers, and insights on challenges faced by s…
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Your Heard Tell Show is turning down the noise of the news cycle and getting to the information we need to discern our times by heading across the pond to cover the results and reactions to the UK's general election. Jack Rowlett of Young Voices UK returns to Heard Tell to talk about Labour's historic win, why the Conservatives collapsed, major iss…
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Your Heard Tell Show is turning down the noise of the news cycle and getting to the information we need to discern our times by digging beyond the news media and social media reactions to the presidential debate, recent Supreme Court decisions and more. Host Andrew talks through the fallout of President Biden's shocking debate performance against T…
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Dive into the latest episode of The Jabob Podcast and special guest Jane Arnold, partner at Polsinelli. Discover Jane’s unconventional path to law and her insights on mentoring, flexible work hours, and the future of diversity in Big Law. Listen for inspiring advice and a peek into the evolving legal landscape. Highlights Jane Arnold’s career path …
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Dive into an inspiring episode as Kathryn Rubino hosts Albany law student Jonas Caballero. Discover Jonas’s incredible journey from protesting the Iraq War to overcoming incarceration and addiction, now excelling in law school and fighting for civil rights. A must-listen for a story of resilience and advocacy. Highlights Reporting on human rights i…
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Julia Gordon-Bramer, poet, tarot reader, and Sylvia Plath scholar, joined me for the final episode of season six of WitchLit to talk about the life, work, and occult interests of poet Sylvia Plath. WitchLit will return July 17. You can find Julia's newer books wherever books are sold and her first book about Plath, Fixed Stars Govern a Life, is ava…
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Your Heard Tell Show is turning down the noise of the news cycle and getting to the information we need to discern our times by going beyond the headlines of what Vladimir Putin and Russia are doing in the world and examining how they help fund everything from the invasion of Ukraine, destruction in Syria, power projection elsewhere, and more. Our …
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Have you heard these myths about personal growth and forgiveness? Myth #1: Forgiveness is a sign of weakness. Myth #2: Forgiveness means forgetting the past. Myth #3: Forgiving means letting the other person off the hook. But the truth about forgiveness is powerful and transformative. Want to know the truth? Then you won't want to miss this episode…
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Happy Midsummer, witches! Frater Aaron from the Storybook: Sacred Lore of Witchcraft podcast joined me to talk about pulp, adventure fiction classic Cleopatra by H. Rider Haggard of King Solomon's Mines fame. It is an artifact of its time, drawing on all the genre tropes while also exploring magic in unexpected ways. Cleopatra is in the public doma…
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Jarod K. Anderson, poet, author, and podcaster—a.k.a The CryptoNaturalist— joins me to talk about why we write, wrestling with mental health, self v. traditional publishing, and more. There's also a wee poetry reading. You can find out more about Jarod's work including the podcast and Patreon on his website. You can preorder Something in the Woods …
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Rock-n-roll witch and generally lovely human, Zoë Howe, returns to talk about Scorpio Witch, her new book co-authored with Ivo Dominguez Jr. and delighting in Scorpio-ness. Of course, this is the book in the Zodiac Witch series I've been waiting for. You can find all Zoë's links to her radio show, books, events, and more at her Linktree. And you ca…
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Your Heard Tell Show is turning down the noise of the news cycle and getting to the information we need to discern our times by talking about how big loud news events like Donald Trump's conviction, Hunter Biden's conviction, and even the disaster that was January 6th all bring wide sweeping reactions but actually show things are holding up pretty …
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Your Heard Tell Show is turning down the noise of the news cycle and getting to the information we need to discern our times by covering the latest news from outer space, or at least what man is doing to keep going up there. Our own resident space expert Dr. Michael Siegel returns to Heard Tell to talk about NASA and Boeing's Starliner finally gett…
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Your Heard Tell Show is turning down the noise of the news cycle and getting to the information we need to discern our times by debating the merits of the latest calls for mandatory service with Alex Petropolous, who has been doing media appearances on the subject including a SkyNews segment that received attention. Alex joins us from Brussels, Bel…
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My special guest is Lavinia Errico! Lavinia Errico, the co-founder of Equinox, is a prominent figure in the fitness industry, renowned for her groundbreaking contributions to being one of the founders of Equinox to now starting a “movement” called MOVEJOY! Growing up in a bustling household with five siblings, Lavinia's early exposure to movement l…
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Brandon Weston has returned to talk about their new book, the magic of nursery rhymes, and working in and for the community. All that and it's the tip of the iceberg of Ozark magic, healing, and folklore. Granny Thornapple's Book of Charms and Brandon's other books are available wherever books are sold or direct from Llewellyn. You can find out mor…
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Your Heard Tell Show is turning down the noise of the news cycle and getting to the information we need to discern our times by talking about the reactions of folks in news media and social media to the Donald Trump verdict in his New York City business records case. Next, the Caitlin Clark coverage as the woman's basketball star transitions from c…
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Your Heard Tell Show is turning down the noise of the news cycle and getting to the information we need to discern our times by digging into the business and cultural factors that cause movie theater box offices to have their worst Memorial Day Weekend in a generation. Film critic Luis Mendez of the Mendez Movie Report returns to talk not just why …
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Jamie Waggoner joins me to discuss her new book Hades: Myth, Magic & Modern Devotion and what it's like to be a modern devotee of the once very unseen ruler of the underworld. We also talk about how he shows up in contemporary media and pop culture. Hades is available wherever books are sold or direct from Llewellyn. Find out more about Jamie's wor…
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Your Heard Tell Show is turning down the noise of the news cycle and getting to the information we need to discern our times by once again pausing everything else and talking about mental health with Dr. Kathryn Gordon, clinical psychologist & author of The Suicidal Thoughts Workbook. Dr Katie once again not only discusses current issues like the e…
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Your Heard Tell Show is turning down the noise of the news cycle and getting to the information we need to discern our times by talking about news media and social media, and how we consume it. Host Andrew Donaldson uses his own experiences as a writer and talking head on news programs to talk about the changing ecosystem of news media, Pew data on…
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So much of the time, we focus on the outside. The career, the kids, the house. But we don’t put that same focus on ourselves. Maybe you say you’ll start meal prepping this weekend or you’ll start doing that yoga class. Only to find that “more important” things come up. You need to make self care Non Negotiable. Success starts with you. In this epis…
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Melanie Marquis joined me to talk about her latest book and being a practical kitchen witch, not a bad philosophy in this age of rising food costs. CW: We do discuss eating disorders briefly. You can purchase Cookbook of Shadows whoever books are sold, or direct from Llewellyn. Follow Melanie on Instagramor check out her website for more on her oth…
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Your Heard Tell Show is turning down the noise of the news cycle and getting to the information we need to discern our times by talking about President Joe Biden's trip to Atlanta to campaign and deliver the commence address at Morehouse College, which brought national media attention and ongoing narratives. We skip all that and turn to Donnel Sugg…
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Your Heard Tell Show is turning down the noise of the news cycle and getting to the information we need to discern our times by talking standardized testing in Texas with Garion Frankel. Writing in the Houston Chronicle, Garion talks about the STAAR testing and integration of automatic grading as a touch point to discuss how testing is dominating s…
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Emma Kathryn is back to talk about her new book, following the seasons, always writing, and generally being a public witch. You can find Season Songs wherever books are sold and find her on social media @emmakathrynwildwitch. Please support Black, indigenous, queer, trans, and women-owned, local, independent bookstores and occult shops. Transcripts…
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Your Heard Tell Show is turning down the noise of the news cycle and getting to the information we need to discern our times by having a little fun with history as Sarah Stook returns to Heard Tell to explain the how and why of her listing of all the Presidents of the United States sorted into Hogwarts Houses from the wizarding world of Harry Potte…
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Extending our unintentional Zodiac Witch mini-series, Enfys J. Book returns to discuss their latest book Sagittarius Witch coauthored with Ivo Dominguez Jr. We discuss co-authoring versus going it alone and writer rewards when the work is done — Baldur's Gate, anyone? Please support Black, indigenous, queer, trans, and women-owned, local, independe…
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Your Heard Tell Show is turning down the noise of the news cycle and getting to the information we need to discern our times by heading across the pond as Harris Griffiths returns to Heard Tell to talk the recent UK local elections, what the results may mean for the looming general elections, changing political coalitions, futures of PM Rishi Sunak…
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Your Heard Tell Show is turning down the noise of the news cycle and getting to the information we need to discern our times by going beyond the headlines and into the halls of congress with Eric Garcia, the Washington bureau chief and senior Washington Correspondent at the Independent. Eric explains the current changes in congress that saw the for…
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Your Heard Tell Show is turning down the noise of the news cycle and getting to the information we need to discern our times by talking about the shocking case of dead 14 year old girl in Boone County, West Virginia, who was found “emaciated to a skeletal state” dead on her bathroom floor. While the mother has been charged, this horrible story once…
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CW: A large part of our discussion is death and dying. If you're not up for that, we'll see you next week. Therapist Kevin Quiles joined me to talk about his latest book, Bring Your Pen, Bring Your Broom. We do manage to talk about writing a little bit, but we mostly talk about what it is to be human, and a witch. Kevin's book is available on Amazo…
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Your Heard Tell Show is turning down the noise and getting to the information we need by talking to our good friend, attorney, and Senior Editor at Ordinary-Times.com about the start of the New York trial of Donald Trump, how NOT to follow the trial, how celebrity trials are just different, understanding factors that might affect the vedict, sepera…
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Where are all the groups and communities for females that want to build wealth!? That’s the exact question Andreea Muresan and Kara Ayala were asking themselves when they stepped into an event with only 2 women … So what did they do? They created a community of their own, called Reign & Co. They now spend their time teaching women how to build and …
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Katta Kis joined me to talk about her debut contemporary romance, that just happens to have a witch as a main character. We also talked about fame, diversity in publishing, and how, um, graphic we're willing to get writing those steamy scenes. You can find Katta's book wherever you buy books. As an indie-published book you may have to get your favo…
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In this episode, Kathryn interviews Catherine Dawson, General Counsel at Affinipay, discusses her career transition from big law to in-house counsel, emphasizing her interest in technology. She also talks about the benefits of using AI in legal practice, such as task automation and increased efficiency. Dawson recounts her experience of working par…
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Frater Barrabbas joins me to talk about his decade's long practice and translating that into what is a legacy of work and books blending ceremonial magic with contemporary paganism and witchcraft. You can purchase Sacramental Theurgy for Witches and many more of the books being released in 2024 directly from Crossed Crow books. You can learn more a…
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In this episode, Kathryn interviews Erin Gordon, author of "Look What You Made Me Do", a memoir exposing a toxic culture in a prominent law firm. Erin shares her experience of continuous micro-harassments, personal defamation, and inadequate work allocation, leading to extreme stress and impeding her professional growth. Despite having a strong leg…
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Are you going to become a victim of your circumstance or a victor??? Today’s guests chose to take their circumstances and the hand they were dealt and turn it into the lives of their dreams! The Tenison Twins are my guests this week on the podcast, and whether you know it or not, I’m sure you’ve seen them before. From being on the covers of calenda…
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Ed Cichon is living the digital nomad life and roaming about the Eastern U.S. encountering the wild, old gods of places he travels to. We chat about the ups and downs of that peripatetic existence and the wonder inherent in breathing magic and life into the work of writing. You can find more of Ed's work and find purchase links for his book on his …
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In this episode, Kathryn interviews Dina Segal, the Chief Legal Officer at Gusto, and discusses her personal and professional journey including her transition from a big law firm to an in-house counsel position and her experiences as a working mother. She speaks about the Lexis Plus platform's innovative Judicial Brief Analysis tool and highlights …
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Welcome to the 100th episode of WitchLit! I was honored to have Erika Buenaflor join me to talk about her work in and study of curanderismo, reclaiming its history, and participating in the ongoing evolution of this living tradition. Erika's books are available wherever books are sold. You can learn more about her work and classes at her website. A…
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In this episode, directors Cara Bain and Allison Rosner from Major Lindsay in Africa discussed the trajectory of their legal careers and the importance of workplace partnerships. While detailing their unique career paths, they stressed the benefits of diverse backgrounds and perspectives in enhancing team performance. They encouraged listeners to b…
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Happy Springtide, witches! As a treat for this week's Vernal Equinox, the multitalented Via Hedera joins me to discuss a book formative to her practice, and the modern witchcraft revival. Enjoy! Please support Black, indigenous, queer, trans, and women-owned, local, independent bookstores and occult shops. Transcripts of all episodes are available …
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At what point in your life would you be willing to radically change your life and start something new? For most people, the answer wouldn’t be in their 50’s … But that’s exactly what Tresa Todd did. She left her comfortable job in the medical field (after a little nudge from her sons) after 25 years to pursue real estate wholesaling. Years later, s…
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Award-winning YA author Laurie Stolarz joined me to talk about her beginnings as a writer and storyteller, getting that first book out into the world, and the arc of career that includes 18 books, multiple adaptions, and translations into 30 different languages. She's also from Salem, MA, so witches definitely come up. You can find Laurie's books w…
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Fio Gede Parma joined me to talk about the process and magic inherent in writing and what it is to be a witch who writes. We also nerd out on early craft books and I think you'll find Fio's wisdom shines through. A Witch Belongs to the World is available where've books are sold. You can follow Fio on Instagram and find about upcoming classes and ap…
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If you’ve ever struggled with your health but you were unsure why, then this podcast is one you’re going to want to listen to! This week I sit down with my good friend Jennifer Brower to talk about her new book, “Silent Killers,” and her struggle to get answers in her own health journey. For years Jennifer struggled with her health while doctors an…
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