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Real. Raw. No Holding Back. Stories from people like you who've burnt out and come back to tell the tale. From thought leaders to your friend down the street, there's a story in FRIED that you will relate to, guaranteed. You are not alone. You might be fried crispy at this point, but I promise you there is a way through. Each week, there is a story of breakdown and build back up and we don't skip over the nasty bits. The journey through burnout is rarely a beautiful one, but it creates some ...
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Talking Cod: a survivor’s guide to middle age

Phil Birchenall, David Eccles, Andy Hall

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Three northern blokes talk about midlife and growing old disgracefully: the kind of things you want to say, but rarely ever do. Hosts David Eccles, Phil Birchenall and Andy Hall explore how confronting life head-on - with all the crap it throws your way - makes you stronger, older, bolder and, of course, that little bit wiser. We’ll share our own experiences and talk to friends about life’s ups and downs, what’s worked, and what definitely didn’t. Frank, fearless, funny. Talking Cod.
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Burnout Recovery works better with support. UNFRIED is our small group (7 people max!) coaching program to help guide you through your recovery. Get on the waitlist now! https://bit.ly/UNFRIED “We sometimes resist our own healing because it feels like punishment,” says Sarah Vosen in this latest #sarashares episode of FRIED. Today, she discusses th…
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Burnout Recovery works better with support. UNFRIED is our small group (7 people max!) coaching program to help guide you through your recovery. Get on the waitlist now! https://bit.ly/UNFRIED “I’m giving you permission to give up,” says Courtney Clark, author of the recent book “Revisionary Thinking,” who joins the FRIED podcast to talk about the …
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Burnout Recovery works better with support. UNFRIED is our small group (7 people max!) coaching program to help guide you through your recovery. Get on the waitlist now! https://bit.ly/UNFRIED Hey, FRIED Fam! Host Cait Donovan is back with another #straightfromcait episode, this time discussing the six factors which leave you most vulnerable to wor…
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Burnout Recovery works better with support. UNFRIED is our small group (7 people max!) coaching program to help guide you through your recovery. Get on the waitlist now! https://bit.ly/UNFRIED “You’re such a light and I feel like your flame is being extinguished,” said Maggie Reyes’ husband when she was experiencing burnout. For many, addressing th…
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Burnout Recovery works better with support. UNFRIED is our small group (7 people max!) coaching program to help guide you through your recovery. Get on the waitlist now! https://bit.ly/UNFRIED “There is a perfect fit out there for you,” encourages host Cait Donovan in this episode of FRIED, where she and Sarah Vosen discuss the process of job searc…
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Need to get started on your burnout recovery? Download the Core Values Worksheet today! https://bit.ly/corevaluesfreebie “It was something I was doing just for me, no one else, a very unfamiliar feeling,” says today’s guest Kristin Lis, reflecting on her decision to begin burnout recovery with host Caitlin Donovan as her burnout coach, nearly a yea…
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Need to get started on your burnout recovery? Download the Core Values Worksheet today! https://bit.ly/corevaluesfreebie Many of us know what it means to be burned out, but do you know what it means to be F.R.I.E.D.? On today’s episode Cait breaks down the five elements that make up the acronym F.R.I.E.D., five pillars—Facility safety, Reprioritize…
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Need to get started on your burnout recovery? Download the Core Values Worksheet today! https://www.caitdonovan.com/freebie-values “The self-abuse—that we don’t even realize we’re doing—is so glorified in this society.” Aria Johnson, a TV personality and celebrity voice coach, is best known for appearing as the music expert in the hit Reelz series …
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Need to get started on your burnout recovery? Download the Core Values Worksheet today! https://www.caitdonovan.com/freebie-values FRIED Fam!—Another fried guide episode arrives by popular demand! This time hosts Cait and Sarah are talking about the holistic guide to burnout recovery, and that includes learning to listen to your body’s signals to f…
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Need to get started on your burnout recovery? Download the Core Values Worksheet today! https://bit.ly/corevaluesfreebie “The home is a container for our sensory inputs, and the inputs to our sense organs affect us tremendously,” says Dr. Jaime Rabin, doctor of acupuncture, certified feng shui practitioner and executive leader of Deepak Chopra’s Gl…
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Need to get started on your burnout recovery? Download the Core Values Worksheet today! https://bit.ly/corevaluesfreebie “When I’m stressed, I trip more, I bang into things more, I stub my toe more—so there’s definitely something going on here,” Cait shares, highlighting the curious link between burnout and clumsiness. In this latest "Fried Guide" …
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Need to get started on your burnout recovery? Download the Core Values Worksheet today! https://bit.ly/corevaluesfreebie “Are you an introvert or just into hurt?” asks Jahmaal Marshall, certified counselor and founder of Listen Then Speak LLC and the podcast of the same name. Many of us develop behavior and personae, he explains, around a need to p…
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“I don’t want to convince you that whenever we finish working, you should be dancing, pirouetting on clouds in ballet slippers,” host Caitlin Donovan explains on this solo episode of FRIED, where she talks about managing expectations from burnout recovery work, particularly the program FRIED offers lead by her partner Sarah Vosen. In a space that, …
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“How are we not supposed to burn out? That’s what our culture wants us to do: produce, make and do until we can’t anymore,” says Dr. Erin Hinson who, with Dr. Kristen Donnelly, joins the FRIED podcast to discuss the origins of burnout culture in the United States. Early religious tenets have formed our attitude toward hard work and individualism, t…
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“You’re going to have to surrender and have patience and be ready and willing to be annoyed.” On today’s episode of FRIED, Sarah Vosen and Cait review some of the common reasons why your burnout recovery may not be working, or not working as fast as you’d like. First off—you may be overdoing it, which is the exact kind of perfectionistic approach t…
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“I’m in recovery from recovery,” explains Colleen Kachmann, Certified Master Life and Recovery Coach who joins the podcast to share her story of dealing with alcohol and burnout, and give new insight into the current understanding of and attitude toward addiction. For years, while playing the role of perfect mother, wife, career woman and volunteer…
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“Why is it that two people can be in the same exact environment, at the same job, and one person burns out and another person doesn’t?” And not only does that other person not burn out, they thrive?” Well, as it turns out, just like everyone needs a certain amount of sun protection factor (SPF) to protect them from the harmful effects of the sun, s…
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“How you take command of the narrative is what’s going to see you through when you begin to determine what parts, if any, of the story you want to tell.” John Neral, executive and career transition coach, and host of the Mid-Career GPS podcast, joins FRIED to discuss how best to address gaps that burnout leaves in your resume when interviewing with…
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On a recent trip to Thailand, Sarah experienced jet lag that was comparable only to the exhaustion she experienced while deep in the midst of burnout. She highlights that while jet lag might need just a few days of rest to overcome, recovering from burnout—a state of deep energy depletion—requires more time and patience. Sarah offers practical advi…
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For the latest episode of Talking Cod, we're joined by investing guru Jason Graystone to talk about unshackling ourselves from unnecessary worry about our finances. Jason began his career washing cars to earn money when he was 14. He became financially free at 30 and now is a trader and investor, owning a number of successul businesses. We talk abo…
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“Insecure attachment—period—whatever category you’re in, is 100 percent nurture. One hundred percent. It’s a relationally driven disorder.” Dr. Julie Menanno, author of “The Secure Relationship,” joins the FRIED podcast to talk about relationships and attachment theory. For many of us, our parents or caretakers, failed to meet our needs. To control…
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Hey, FRIED fam! On today’s episode of The Burnout Podcast, Cait is answering written questions from bosses and leaders, asking how to deal with burnout while balancing all of the other concerns of their company and employees. How can you maintain a healthy workplace culture while recovering from burnout? How do you deal with employees who punch up …
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In the latest episode of Talking Cod, Dave and Andy sit down with the awe-inspiring Luke Staton, whose journey from aspiring professional footballer to motivational speaker and children's author captures the essence of transformation and resilience. Luke shares the trials and triumphs of his early days in football, the life-altering times when he h…
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“Shame is driving the bus of our lives,” says life coach, keynote speaker, author and “hell-raiser” Andrea Owen, who joins the FRIED podcast. In this episode, Andrea shares a four-step process toward building shame resilience, which she learned while studying under author and professor Brene Brown. Many of the behaviors that we engage in–perfection…
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Dr. James Gordon, Harvard educated psychiatrist, founder and CEO of the Center for Mind Body Medicine, is recognized throughout the world for his use of self-awareness, self-care and group support to heal population-wide psychological trauma. He joins us on this episode of FRIED to discuss techniques featured in his new book “Transforming Trauma: T…
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The latest episode of Talking Cod features our good friend Will Edge, a trustee and facilitator at Mentell, a men's mental health charity. We'd originally asked Will to come on to tell us about the charity's work and how he'd first come across the organisation, but then things went strangely quiet. It turns out he'd had a scary accident whilst Wake…
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Hey FRIED Fam, Welcome to a very special sponsored episode where we dive into the transformative journey of Lee Dryburgh, a longevity and biomarker industry expert whose personal and professional experiences offer invaluable insights into wellness, burnout recovery, and the revolutionary impact of accessible health data. Key Highlights & Timestamps…
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Hey listeners! I'm Sarah Vosen, and I am delighted to be with you today. In this episode, I will discuss the importance of tuning into your body's signals for guidance, decision-making, and prioritizing self-care practices during burnout recovery. Follow me as we do an exercise to identify what physical sensations signify yes or no answers to bette…
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In the latest episode of Talking Cod, we ask you to 'look into our ears' (not sure if that works, but I'm going to leave it and this note in this final copy, intentionally - Phil) with respected Berlin-based hypnotherapist Bernhard Tewes, whose personal transformation from chain smoker to non-smoker through hypnosis was the catalyst to become a mas…
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Today, I have a special guest who will share her amazing story of overcoming burnout. She is Emily Ballesteros, a resilience advocate with a background in industrial organizational psychology. She has transformed her own experience of prolonged exhaustion into a powerful journey. She will reveal the insights and solutions she discovered along the w…
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Hey everyone, it's Cait Donovan here, and I'm thrilled to dive into a topic that's been buzzing in our Facebook group - kickstarting your burnout recovery. I get it, finding the right starting point is tricky because your burnout journey is as unique as you are. So today, we're going to have a reflective journey with questions designed to guide you…
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We're back with another cracking guest on Talking Cod, none other than footy legend Dean Holden. Dean talks about his illustrious career as a player and a manager, most recently of Charlton Athletic, but then opens up with deep authenticity as he talks about the tragic loss of his daughter, Cici. And that triggered something huge in our conversatio…
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Hello, listeners! I'm Cait Donovan, and I'm excited about today's episode. Our guest, Dr. Monica Wang, will share her inspiring journey of overcoming burnout as a veterinarian, incorporating Chinese medicine into her healing process. She’ll discuss her challenges of burnout in veterinary school, Traditional Chinese Veterinary Medicine, the importan…
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Hey fried fam, it's Sarah, and today, I want to dive into a transformative experience from my life in 2022. This journey not only marked my recovery but ignited the realization that giving myself permission to have what I want is crucial. In this episode, we'll explore the importance of recognizing your needs, confronting fears, and embracing the h…
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For our first guest of 2024, we're thrilled to have David Wilson, aka Sober Dave, share his raw and inspiring journey. For 40 years, Dave was entangled in an ongoing battle with alcohol, a struggle that nearly ruined his life—but a pivotal moment in January 2019 marked the beginning of an extraordinary transformation. Dave opens up about his darkes…
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In today's episode, Sarah and I discuss the topic of sleep, particularly from the perspective of Chinese medicine. They also talk about the phases of burnout and how they can impact sleep patterns for certain individuals. Episode Highlights: Cait and Sarah delve into the Chinese medicine perspective on sleep, introducing the concept of Yin and Yang…
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In this mini-episode of Talking Cod, join Andy, Dave, and Phil as we delve into our exciting plans for 2024. We share a sneak peek into the stellar line-up of guests awaiting us in the upcoming episodes and an update on our next Walking Cod outdoor adventure. Amidst the future gazing, the conversation takes a weird turn - in true Cod fashion - with…
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In today's episode, I will talk about breaking the cycle of assumptions, communicating openly about preferences, and embracing tasks and experiences that bring personal joy and fulfillment. Episode Highlights: Cait Donovan talks about challenging the habit of self-sacrifice, exploring resentment as a tool for defining boundaries, and encouraging in…
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In today's episode, I will talk about the concept of Festivus from Seinfeld and how its elements, such as the Festivus pole, airing of grievances, feats of strength, and the declaration of Festivus miracles, can be adapted to address workplace burnout. Episode Highlights: Cait Donovan talks about Festivus from Seinfeld, exploring each of its elemen…
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In today's episode, Diann Wingert and I will talk about the relationship between ADHD and burnout. We will discuss how they affect each other and identify what people who suffer from both can do to help themselves recover quickly. Episode Highlights: Diann and Cait talk about how ADHD and burnout relate to each other. They emphasize that people wit…
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In today's episode, I will talk about how companies can help reduce burnout risk with their employees. I will be emphasizing the importance of individual responsibility in recovering from burnout and how a supportive work environment can help to recovery. Episode Highlights: Cait Donovan talks about the intricacies of burnout recovery, emphasizing …
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In our latest episode of Talking Cod, we're chuffed to introduce Krish Patel, whose journey is a remarkable blend of ambition, adversity, and awakening. From the streets of Bolton to the professional football fields, Krish's childhood dream of becoming a footballer took him on a bit of a rollercoaster. His career began with promise at Bury, but inj…
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Hello, wonderful listeners! I'm Cait Donovan, your host for today's episode, and I'm beyond excited to introduce our esteemed guest, Dr. Susan Lovelle. Today, we're delving deep into the fascinating realms of Perimenopause, Menopause, and Burnout, topics that resonate with every woman's well-being. Dr. Susan Lovelle, a true authority in these areas…
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A wonderful day to everyone! I’m Cait Donovan, your burnout recovery coach, helping you in your healing journey. Today, I will address the question of one user in the Facebook group about taking small, daily, simple actions to overcome rumination, people-pleasing, and perfectionism. I also highlight the ideas of other members to handle these proble…
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In our latest episode, we touch on a subject close to the heart – the impact of friends from different chapters of our lives passing away suddenly. Friends are the family we choose, accompanying us through life's journey, but what happens when they leave us without warning? Phil, Dave, and Andy open up about personal experiences, the feelings that …
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Hello, lovely listeners! I'm Cait Donovan, your host for today's episode, and I am thrilled to introduce our guest, Amelia Nagoski. Today, we dive deep into her illuminating book, "Burnout: The Secret to Unlocking the Stress Cycle," a woman's sexual well-being intrinsically linked to a woman’s overall well-being and more about the stress response. …
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Hey there, curious minds, and welcome to today's episode. I'm Cait Donovan, your trusted companion on this exciting journey. We're about to unravel why burnout recovery can be a lengthier process than you might think. From the physical aspects of healing to understanding the web of causation, we'll explore the nuances of this transformative path. D…
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In this awe-inspiring episode of Talking Cod, we welcome back the incredible Steve Hill, author of "What Next Sir?," fresh from an unimaginable feat of endurance. Brace yourselves for a story that will leave you breathless. Literally. Steve's just completed an astounding 14 marathons in 16 days. He began by running seven marathons along Costa Rica'…
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In today's episode, we're diving deep into a topic that's near and dear to many of our hearts - breaking free from the insidious grip of people-pleasing and embarking on a journey to discover your true self-worth. Joining us is none other than Hailey MaGee, a certified coach, dedicated teacher, and accomplished author, whose life's mission is to he…
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