Welcome to A Way of Thinking. This podcast is dedicated to lighting the way toward greater creativity, purpose, and inner peace. Join us on the journey of self-discovery and self-mastery as each episode guides you a step closer to unlocking the life you’ve always envisioned. Throughout each episode, we’ll explore a myriad of profound insights, inspirational stories, and practical strategies to help you tap into your higher self. May these heartfelt conversations and insights ignite inspirati ...
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Life is finally looking up for 28 year old Shayla -- She’s got a great boyfriend and is about to start her dream writing job. But when it all falls apart in the space of one day, Shayla finds herself heartbroken and struggling to make ends meet. After a chance encounter with the world’s most popular K-pop idol, Youngjae, she decides to chase the fantasy and heads for South Korea in the hopes of kindling a relationship with the star. There are a lot of ups —beautiful city, amazing food, dynam ...
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Beauty journalists (and friends!) Jessica Matlin and Jennifer Sullivan bring you the big, juicy world of beauty twice a week. On Wednesdays, they share their insider access to the industry, discuss news and culture through the lens of beauty, and talk about their beauty adventures as well as their favorite fragrances, skincare, and makeup. On Fridays, they interview their favorite people in the business, including celebrities, makeup artists, perfumers, dermatologists, plastic surgeons, and ...
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The Truth About Lash Serums, Blue Light & Eye Health with Dr. Nicky Shah
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Is blue light bad for your eyes—or your skin? Which lash-growth serums work without harming your eyes? Is it okay to tightline? How do redness-relieving eye drops work, and can you get addicted to them? What’s the best way to remove eye makeup? Ophthalmologist Nicky Shah, MD, cofounder of You & Eye by Dr. Nicky, is going to answer all those questio…
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Ep. 537: Makeup Flankers, Hyperosmia & The Week’s Beauty News
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Jess & Jenn share highlights from two beauty conferences, and then discuss the copywriting over at Vacation Inc.; the challenges of building a lasting fragrance brand; changes at Space NK; the beauty brands with Olympics tie-ins; new flanker products for Clinique Black Honey; the woman with hyperosmia (a super-sensitive olfactive ability) who can s…
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50 - Celebrating 50 Episodes: How I Achieved Consistency and Embraced Imperfection
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I'm thrilled to celebrate our 50th episode and I want to express my gratitude to all listeners for their support! Many podcasts don’t make it past episodes 8 or 9, so this is a special milestone for me. The main lesson I've learned along the way is definitely the power of consistency. Our habits shape our lives, and as Aristotle may have said: "We …
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What It’s Really Like to Start a Beauty Brand, with Diarrha N'Diaye-Mbaye
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Ami Colé founder & CEO Diarrha N'Diaye-Mbaye went from social media manager (Temptu, L’Oréal) to product developer (Glossier) to starting a beauty brand for melanin-rich skin—and she’s refreshingly honest about what it took to get where she is. We discuss how her personal story is part of (but not the same thing as!) her brand; what it’s like to wo…
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Ep. 536: Everything Showers, the Lip-Nip Connection & The Week’s Beauty News
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Please welcome one more contributor to the Fat Mascara family: Julee Wilson is back and will be joining us more regularly! This week, she and Jenn discuss their shared dislike of rain shower heads; how to choose lip liner based on your nipple color (thanks, Glossier); the best products in the Fenty hair line; Beautyfor, a new organization helping t…
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Everything to Know About Permanent Makeup with Christine Hwang
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Lip blushing, lip neutralization, restorative lip color, powder brows, microblading, how to remove permanent makeup—we’re going to learn about all of it with Christine Hwang (@newfacebychristine), a permanent makeup artist in New York City. She shares how to find a PMUA you can trust, how licensing works, the difference between regular tattoos and …
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Ep. 535: Perfume Soirées, Sea Buckthorn Oil & The Week’s Beauty News
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Jess shares the gossip from two hot fragrance events in New York City. Then, we discuss Epcot’s Norwegian perfumer in residence; Fenty Hair; Sarah Creal’s new line; Olaplex skincare (is it happening?); Tweezerman tools for pet owners; powdered shampoo; buttercup-yellow nail polish; and the delightful Bask sunscreen that will keep you protected even…
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49 - Redefining Purpose: Eddie Stern's Guide to Meaningful Living
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I'm thrilled to have the incredible Eddie Stern join us for today's episode. Eddie is a renowned yoga teacher, author, and researcher whose approach to yoga blends traditional practices with scientific research. In this episode, we dive deep into purpose, creativity, and the profound connection between mind and body. Eddie shares his insights on ho…
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Actress, author, and entrepreneur Brooke Shields talks about an inherent tension in her life: She knows beauty is power and yet she struggles with that very idea. In this podcast exclusive, she discusses growing up on camera, how she wants her daughters to approach social media, our culture’s obsession with image and beauty—and Commence, her new ha…
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Ep. 534: Multiuse Products, Cologne Boy & The Week’s Beauty News
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An eye cream that actually does something! Teenage boys buying $300 cologne! And more: The new hair-thinning clinic where Garrett got PRP therapy, prestige beauty brands on Amazon.com, a listener’s request for an all-in-one night cream for “people in their 30s,” and a review of Makeup by Mario’s new Multi-use Bronzing & Shaping Serum. Products ment…
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How Makeup Brushes Are Made with Anisa Telwar Kaicker
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Consider this podcast a masterclass in makeup brushes—even if you’re a makeup artist, we promise you’ll learn something new! Anisa Telwar Kaicker’s company, Anisa International, has been manufacturing brushes for top beauty brands since 1992, and its innovations in cruelty-free fibers have helped to make the industry more ethical. Anisa is also the…
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Ep. 533: Jess is Back & The Week’s Beauty News
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We’re kicking off summer with Jess, who's back from her “sabbatical” to tell us about her beauty adventures with Moda Operandi and discuss the latest: Grown Alchemist bumps Kiehl’s out of Equinox gyms; fragrances of the future (will they smell like butter or body odor?); the blush boom; a listener’s discovery of GirlCult cosmetics; a solid shampoo …
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48 - Grounding Yourself: How to Overcome Other People's Opinions
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In today's solo episode of A Way of Thinking, the focus is on how to handle and filter external opinions, especially when making significant life changes such as transitioning from a traditional and "safe" corporate job to following your passion. As someone who had to navigate the advice of many family members and friends when quitting my finance j…
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Hairstylist Jawara is one of the most in-demand creatives in fashion today. He’s worked with artists like Beyoncé, Rihanna, Dua Lipa, and his longtime collaborator Solange, and created images for Off-White, Gucci, Hermès, Vogue, and i-D (he’s currently their senior beauty editor at large). We met Jawara in 2018 (when this interview originally aired…
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What Skin Cancer Looks Like & The New Ways to Find and Treat It
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In honor of Skin Cancer Awareness Month, we’re replaying this interview with dermatologist Orit Markowitz, MD, a skin-cancer specialist and the founder of OptiSkin. She’ll explain why regular skin checks are more important than monitoring your moles and age spots, the latest ways to treat skin cancer without scarring, and how to protect your skin f…
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Culture Through a Girl Gaze with Amanda de Cadenet
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Photographer and host Amanda de Cadenet has made a career of passing the figurative and literal mic to women, letting them share their stories and shape their own images. Now, it's her turn: The founder of The Conversation and GirlGaze talks about why women's stories are often minimized, our culture's endless obsession with youth, and the taboo top…
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Ep. 532: Discontinued Product Dupes & The Week’s Beauty News
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Erica Metzger—founder of the Beauty Loop and Virtual Beauty Closet—is here to play Beauty Detective for listeners, tracking down replacements for products that have been discontinued, including a Clinique mascara, Urban Decay perfume, and RMS Beauty nail polish. Erica also has tips for how you can find a replacement for products you still miss. Plu…
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47 - The Art of Belonging: Poetry, Immigration, and Purpose with Renzo del Castillo
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I'm thrilled to be joined in this episode by Renzo del Castillo, a poet, author, and healthcare executive, to discuss his poetry collection 'Still' and the themes it encapsulates, including immigration, love, and personal growth. Renzo shares his journey from a corporate world to finding solace in poetry, emphasizing the importance of vulnerability…
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How to Prep Your Skin for a Big Event with Shani Darden
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Aesthetician Shani Darden stopped by the morning after the Met Gala to talk about all the celebrities she prepped for the red carpet—and chat with Jenn about fashion’s biggest night. After the celebrity gossip, Shani shares her suggestions for getting your skin in its best shape ever for a big event (wedding, reunion, vacation, etc.). She explains …
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Ep. 531: Youthforia’s Foundation Fail, A Perfume for More Sex & The Week’s Beauty News
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Who remembers Intern Tiff? Tiffany Sukhnandan is no longer our intern (she’s a marketing manager in the beauty industry!), but she’s back to hang out with Jenn and talk about sun visors; what she’s learned being behind the scenes at a dermatologist skincare brand; how badly Youthforia missed the mark expanding its range of skin tints; Charlotte Til…
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How Hormones Affect Your Appearance with OB/GYN Dr. Shieva Ghofrany
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Board-certified OB/GYN Dr. Shieva Ghofrany is here to talk about all the ways hormones affect a woman’s appearance throughout her life, from acne and hair growth to dry skin and vulva changes. We discuss pregnancy-safe skincare and what cosmetic treatments are safe for pregnant women; why you may look different during different times in your cycle;…
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Ep. 530: Eye Color Surgery, HomeGoods Finds & The Week’s Beauty News
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Please welcome writer Brennan Kilbane (Air Mail, Allure, etc.) to the virtual studio! He’s here to chat with Jenn about keratopigmentation, a procedure to change your eye color (!!); beauty newsletters; self-tanning peptides and the “Barbie” drug; bad Google reviews of haircuts; beauty brands funding TV shows and movies; a perfect summertime founda…
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46 - Celebrating Two Years of the A Way of Thinking Podcast
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Join me in this celebratory episode as we mark the two-year anniversary of the 'A Way of Thinking' podcast. Today, I reflect on the invaluable lessons we've gathered along the way, with a particular focus on the significance of embracing change and innovation. In this episode, I share personal insights into the practice of non-attachment, the excit…
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Best of FM: How to Self-Tan Like a Celebrity with Nichola Joss
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What is the absolute best way to get a self-tan that looks natural? Celebrity skincare, self-tanning, and nail expert Nichola Joss (creator of the Inner Facial) is here to tell us…in detail. In this interview, which originally aired in 2017, she covers everything from the prep to the technique to the right products. Plus, she explains how Kate Moss…
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Ep. 529: Summer Daddies, Sensory-Inclusive Salons & The Week’s Beauty News
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Lots of you asked to hear more from guest co-host Garrett Munce, so he’s back! We’re talking about the surprising skin and hair products one woman found in her date’s bathroom; counterfeit Botox; the movie version of Cat Marnell’s book, How to Murder Your Life; salons for people with autism spectrum disorder, sensory-processing disorder, and relate…
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How to Make Beauty More Sustainable with Carly Snider
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How do you shop for eco-friendlier beauty products? What are high-value plastics? How can beauty brands make their components better for the environment? We’re going to tackle all those questions with sustainable operations expert Carly Snider, the executive director of Pact Collective, a nonprofit that’s uniting the beauty industry to work toward …
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Ep. 528: Boob Lifts, Beauty Awards & The Week’s Beauty News
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Jenn welcomes Julee Wilson back to the co-host seat so they can talk about Rihanna admitting that she’s considered getting a breast lift (and other post-motherhood changes). Plus: how we judge beauty awards; magnetic lashes; the rise of medical tourism for cosmetic surgery; and—in Science Corner!—a new study finds that applying makeup may help with…
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45 - Healing Through Art: From Self-Criticism to Self-Discovery with Rukmini Poddar
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In this episode of A Way of Thinking, I have the privilege of diving into a profound conversation with the multi-talented Rukmini Poddar. As an artist, designer, educator, and author, Rukmini shares her inspiring journey of uncovering purpose through the lens of creativity. We delve into the heart of her artistic endeavors, particularly focusing on…
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Acupuncture for Cosmetic Benefits & Allergy Relief with Gudrun Wu Snyder
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Gudrun Wu Snyder, the founder of Moon Rabbit Acupuncture, explains how acupuncture works—scientifically and philosophically. We discuss how this modality of Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) can help with allergy symptoms, collagen boosting, complexion brightening, constipation, and more. Plus: ear seeding, how acupuncture plays into cancer treatm…
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Ep. 527: Hypochlorous Acid (Take Two), Trump Perfume & The Week’s Beauty News
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Jenn welcomes guest co-host Angelo Landriscina, MD (aka @dermangelo), to talk about junk science, Andrew Huberman, dermfluencers, the “Wild West” of cosmetic surgery, perfumes that smell like sunscreen, the difference between retinol and retinal, and whether or not she will actually receive the $99 Trump Victory47 cologne she ordered. Plus, Angelo …
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Makeup artist Dick Page has been playing with color and painting faces (Bella Hadid, Christy Turlington, and so many others!) for more than 30 years. In this interview—one of our most popular episodes from 2022—he talks to Jess about his career, the disappearing art of subtlety, how the way we view images today has changed the way we think about be…
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Ep. 526: Skincare Age Restrictions, Butt Wellness & The Latest Beauty News
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Guest co-host Alexandra Pauly, the beauty editor of Highsnobiety, chats with Jenn about retailers that are banning sales of anti-aging skincare to children, a new line of products for butts, and the state of fragrance today. Plus: why toddlers smell like flowers and teens smell like goats; a perfume for horse girls; the best places to shop for beau…
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44 - Embracing the Wild Within: A Journey of Spiritual Entrepreneurship with Lisa Francisco
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In today's unique episode of A Way of Thinking, I'm thrilled to have Lisa Francisco join me as a guest host. Lisa is a Sacred Feminine Mentor, guiding women to tap into their inner divinity and embrace their wildness. Our conversation dives into our spiritual journeys, sharing personal stories of growth, the rollercoaster of entrepreneurship, and t…
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Nostalgic Fragrances & Olfactive Experiences with Carlos Huber
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Fragrance developer Carlos Huber chats with Jess and Jenn about how perfume can be a way to experience a specific moment in time. He shares the history of patchouli; why fragrances after World War II smelled like smoke and flowers; how his brand, Arquiste Parfumeur, captures evocative moments and historical sites; and how he works with perfumers an…
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Ep. 525: Hypochlorous Acid, Broccoli Freckles & The Week’s Beauty News
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Charisse Kenion, host of BeautyMe podcast, joins Jenn to talk about supermodels, changes at British Vogue, YouTube AI disclosures, France’s proposed “sin tax” on fast fashion, more diversity in dermatology photos, and broccoli freckles, the latest ridiculous micro-trend on TikTok. Listen until the end for our revelation: Hypochlorous acid is a wond…
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Legendary hairstylist Guido Palau, who developed the new Zara Hair line and worked on Edward Enninful’s final cover for British Vogue, has done runway hair for pretty much every fashion label (Prada, Valentino, Marc Jacobs) and cut the hair of all the top models (Kaia Gerber included). He’s here to tell us about his career path in the fashion indus…
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Ep. 524: Cosmetic Injectables, David Beckham’s Nipples & The Week’s Beauty News
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Guest co-host Garrett Munce, author of Self-Care for Men, gives Jenn his honest opinion on her Botox and filler, and then there’s much more to cover: why men want David Beckham’s nipples; the popularity of facelifts; how people would rather look healthy than be healthy; the success of Black-founded beauty brands; which beauty companies do the best …
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43 - Mushrooms, Destiny, and Self-Determination with Rainbo CEO Tonya Papanikolov
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In today’s episode, I engage in a profound conversation with Tonya Papanikolov, the visionary founder and CEO of Rainbo, a company at the forefront of medicinal mushroom innovation. Our discussion revolves around the intriguing notion that destiny is not merely a path laid out for us but a choice that aligns with our soul's unique journey. This epi…
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Smell & Tell with Perfume Room's Emma Vernon
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In honor of Fragrance Day, we joined up with Emma Vernon, host of the podcast Perfume Room, to talk about fragrance trends, the language we use to discuss perfume, and the scents of everything from orris and carnations to egg creams and dust bunnies. Listen in as we work our way through a “smell & tell” session featuring some of Emma’s favorite sce…
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Ep. 523: Ugly Standards, Influencer Trips & The Week’s Beauty News
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Guest co-host Anita Bhagwandas, author of Ugly: Giving Us Back our Beauty Standards and the Substack newsletter The Powder Room, joins Jenn to talk about pretty privilege, whether influencer trips are still a smart marketing tactic, if wearing makeup while you exercise is really that bad, discontinued products, and why Anita likes to decant her mak…
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Why Sunscreen Regulation Is So Messy with Dr. Julian Sass
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Are you breaking the law when you buy sunscreen from other countries? Why is U.S. sunscreen innovation so slow? What are the real differences between chemical and mineral sunscreens? Which sunscreens have been tested on animals and why? We get into all of it with Julian Sass, PhD, a cosmetic formulator, industry consultant, and creator of an extens…
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Ep. 522: Big Hair, Boba, Dry Brushing & The Beauty News
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Guest co-host Courtney Shields, the founder of DIBS Beauty and host of the Courtside with Courtney podcast, joins Jenn to talk about the Texas/NYC aesthetic, men getting makeovers before their Lunar New Year blind dates, the resurgence of big hair, children’s eyeglasses that are supposed to ward off head lice, dry-brushing your body, Dyson tools, D…
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42 - Embracing Change: How to Pivot Your Path and Find Success Beyond the Comfort Zone
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In this episode of A Way of Thinking, I'm excited to guide you through a journey of reconsidering comfort zones and taking bold steps toward the creative career you've always desired. Drawing from my own experiences, I delve into the concept of 'sunk cost fallacy', urging you to view past experiences as stepping stones rather than wasted time. I of…
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The Everything Guide to Lasers with Dr. Yoon-Soo Cindy Bae
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Dermatologist Yoon-Soo Cindy Bae, MD, explains all the ways lasers can improve your skin. We talk about AviClear, Fraxel, and the latest laser and light advancements; how to prevent and reduce scars; lasers that treat acne, rosacea, tattoos, and unsightly veins; and laser hair removal. Plus: How can blue LED light be beneficial if blue light from s…
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Ep. 521: Thoughts on Beyoncé’s Hair Line, Welcome to Legal Corner & The Week’s Beauty News
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Guest co-host Julee Wilson, beauty editor-at-large at Cosmopolitan, joins Jenn to offer her take on the new hair line Cécred and discuss Girl Scouts beauty collabs, fragranced offices, and the most luxurious cleansing balm. Plus, welcome to the Legal Corner (it’s new!), where we’re talking about what the National Advertising Division of the BBB Nat…
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Special Ep: Potential Has No Age (Live!) with Veronica Webb and Dr. Mamina Turegano
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Supermodel Veronica Webb and dermatologist Dr. Mamina Turegano joined us for a live version of the podcast, where we talked about taboos surrounding aging, how your skin changes in your 40s and 50s, and the skincare and habits that help you age well. This episode is brought to you by Shiseido in celebration of its new Vital Perfection Uplifting and…
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Ep. 520: Celebrity Beauty Paychecks, a Sun-In Comeback & Beauty News
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Guest co-host Emily Sundberg, author of the Substack newsletter Feed Me, joins Jenn in the studio to make sense of the Super Bowl’s beauty moment, discuss Alix Earle, talk about an introduction to perfumery course, and consider how trendy nicotine pouches could affect your skin. Plus, we have concealer help for our allergy sufferer and some new hom…
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41 - Surrendering to Life's Purpose: From the Navy to Yoga on State with Rob Mendez
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In this episode, we journey with Rob Mendez from his beginnings as a military surgical technologist to the founder of Yoga On State, a beloved yoga studio in Carlsbad, California. Rob's story is a testament to the transformative power of yoga, detailing how it guided him through health anxieties and led to significant personal transformation and he…
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Best of FM: Silicones, Sulfates & Scalp Stuff with Dr. Caroline Robinson
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If you have scalp issues, or you’re just curious why your hair “hurts” when it gets oily, this episode with Caroline Robinson, MD, is for you. In our interview (originally aired in 2022), Dr. Robinson explains how hair follicles work, how to treat conditions like dandruff and seborrheic dermatitis, and shares the truth about controversial shampoo a…
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Rachel Felder, author of Red Lipstick: Ode to a Beauty Icon, shares the fascinating story of the world's most talked-about lip color. In this interview (originally aired in 2019), she tells us about the ingredients Egyptians used to redden their mouths, how red lips and story of feminism are intertwined, the Lipstick Wars of the 20th century, and t…
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