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Marathon Talk

Deena Kastor & Martin Yelling

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Marathon Talk has returned in 2022 as part of the Abbott World Marathon Majors family. Hosted by Martin Yelling and the great Deena Kastor, every two weeks we'll bring you news, views and some amazing guest interviews from across the world of marathons and running.
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Join thousands of other committed runners listening to the most exciting run and endurance sports content on the internet. Hosted by Daren DLake (Creates) with sometimes co-host Mike Trees (aka Run.NRG on Instagram) and friends We show smart runners how to perform 1% better daily in their training, racing, careers, and lives. The truth is, most running info is repetitive. So to make your life easy, we've spent the last 52+ years reading, watching, studying, talking to experts and doing as mu ...
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Welcome to the Tip of the Law podcast, where legal insights meet practical advice. In each episode, we bring you stories, insights, and tips straight from the legal industry's brightest minds.
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Skullduggery

Michael Isikoff, Daniel Klaidman, Victoria Bassetti

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Underhandedness. Trickery. Unscrupulous behavior. Skullduggery breaks down the conduct of Washington's political class, tracks the latest in conspiracy theories and disinformation campaigns coursing through social media — and who is pushing them — and keeps you up to date on the latest investigations into misbehavior by members of Congress as well as current and former government officials. Yahoo News’ veteran investigative journalists Michael Isikoff, Editor in Chief Daniel Klaidman, and Se ...
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New York is calling… The TCS New York City Marathon is this weekend, but are Martin, Deena, and the elite field ready? One man who is, and our special guest on Marathon Talk this week, is NYC legend, 12x New York finisher and 3x Six Star Finisher, Ron Romano - he gives us the lowdown on how to nail New York! Elsewhere, Martin & Deena cover yet anot…
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Adam is a 12-year combat veteran of the Air Force with deployments to Iraq & Afghanistan as an Explosive Ordnance Disposal (EOD) team leader. In 2007, while working to disarm a roadside bomb (IED) in Afghanistan, Adam was injured by a secondary IED—resulting in the amputation of his right leg above the knee. Adam is a Purple Heart recipient, Tillma…
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It’s crunch time for Martin and Deena - they took on the 5 boroughs together, but how did they fare? They bring you a very special episode of Marathon Talk from on the streets of New York City, bringing to life the stories of those around them, and an impressive roundup of the elite field results… literally as they happened! Join us for 26.2 miles …
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In this episode of Tip of the Law, Joe Giovannoli, founder and CEO of 9Sail, interviews Domenic Romano, founder and managing partner of Romano Law. The episode covers how law firms can adopt entrepreneurial strategies to thrive in a competitive market. Romano discusses his transition from big law to building a business law firm that prioritizes cli…
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Are you too mindful on your runs? It might be time to dial it back. I dive into the surprising downside of being too mindful during your runs and how it can disrupt your flow and performance. We explore the fine line between conscious awareness and muscle memory, revealing how to harness mindfulness effectively without letting it derail your progre…
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What if running farther wasn’t about speed, but strategy? In this episode, we dive into the essential strategies to keep you running stronger and longer, without the burnout. Learn the time-tested techniques that focus on stamina over speed, including how to prevent injuries, fuel your body effectively, and make the right adjustments in your routin…
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In the latest episode of Tip of the Law, Joe Giovannoli, CEO of 9Sail, is joined by Mike Mellor, founder of 742advisors, to discuss how law firms can prevent revenue leakage and improve operational efficiency. The conversation covers topics such as inefficient processes, technology integration, and the cultural changes necessary for implementing la…
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Is it possible to run faster with a low heart rate? Here's how it works. Download the free 1% Better runner 30 day plan to run faster with a low heart rate Want to take your running to the next level while avoiding burnout? This will help you. In this episode, you'll join me on a journey through Zone 2 training—learning how to build endurance, impr…
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The new Women’s World Record wasn’t just pipped by a few seconds in Chicago… it was utterly obliterated. Take a bow, Ruth Chepng'etich. With front row seats to the first woman running sub-2:10, Chicago’s Executive Race Director Carey Pinkowski is our special guest in a stacked show on this week’s Marathon Talk! In this episode of Marathon Talk: 0:0…
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This is how 1% incremental changes and an Olympic mindset can make you a stronger runner—at any level. In this episode, we dive into what it truly takes to become a better runner, not just through physical training but by harnessing a purpose-driven mindset. Roberto shares his journey as an Olympic athlete, the key lessons he’s learned about resili…
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Watch and read this here How do you feel after this sentence; "Running isn’t a real sport because real sports require skill" Is running really just a challenging competition with yourself? Does an activity like bowling take more skill than running? Does that make it harder to do?! In this episode, we’re getting extra existential on this one and goi…
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Every runner has a story, and Rob Simmelkjaer’s unique journey gives him an inspiring focus on telling those fascinating stories. Rob is our special guest on this week’s Marathon Talk, as he runs us through his experience as a newly-minted Berlin finisher, and his insider tips for those running through the 5 boroughs of NYC next month! Elsewhere in…
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Ever wondered what the perfect running shoe feels like? Let me tell you about mine. In this episode, you’ll discover the gear that’s transforming my runs, including my favorite all-around running shoe, an unexpected heart rate monitor upgrade, and a singlet designed to stay in place no matter how fast you go. I’ll explain why the Altra Escalante 3 …
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Want to run your fastest marathon at 60? Here’s how Ron did it. In this episode, you’ll discover how a 64-year-old marathoner has completed 82 marathons by focusing on consistency, recovery, and mindset. Learn how you can apply the same principles to improve your own running performance, no matter your age. We explore why age is just a number, how …
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This was a FUN live interactive expo chat with one of my running besties Kelly Willis! Kelly is an inspiring former guest (episode 64), fellow 3X Six-Star finisher, and 4X World Age Group competitor! Kelly and I discussed what inspires us, what keeps the fire burning, the biggest challenges we've had to overcome, and how we handle race day challeng…
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Imagine a tool that could instantly upgrade your running game—here it is. As a bonus, we’ll explain Vo2 Max for running to you simply. In this episode, discover how to turn your VO2 max workouts from frustrating guesswork into precision training that delivers real results. You’ll learn how to use a simple yet powerful tool to nail your paces, avoid…
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Of all the prospects from Sydney Marathon’s ram-packed weekend, perhaps the most enticing might be its future status as a seventh Major… We’ve a huge show this week, featuring a three-time 6 Star Finisher to give us the lowdown on Sydney’s course, whether it’s likely to become that seventh star, and if not then what it could improve. Elsewhere, the…
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James expertly broke down the exciting new course, the Fan Zones that will be bringing the hype, community engagement, support from sponsors and volunteers, as well as the vision, hard work, and steps taken by the team to be on the doorstep of becoming the 7th World Marathon Major. We cover all that and so many more insights on how to have your BES…
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Watch and read this here The following African proverb is cliche, but cliche for a reason “Want to fast - go alone Want to go far - go together” In this episode, you will be convinced whether training in a group or training solo is the best thing for you. Explore the unique benefits of each training style, from the control and focus of solo runs to…
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It’s not every week that we’re joined on Marathon Talk by an OLYMPIC CHAMPION; let alone one who won gold in such a dramatic style… Cole Hocker was Paris’ 1500m Olympic Champion, and we get the scoop from him on how he trumped the titans of Kerr and Ingebritsen, the training mentality that unlocked such a performance, and the power of choosing your…
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Ever wonder how just 1% better daily can transform your running journey? In this episode, you’ll learn the art of becoming 1% better... every single day... for a decade. We dive deep into the mindsets, strategies, and core principles that transform running into a powerful tool for growth in every part of your life. You’ll discover how to pick the r…
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"At my best, I was trying to be competitive with myself to get the best out of what I could do." -Alan Ruben Alan Ruben is an icon in the NYC running community—a paragon of consistency and an inspiration to so many in the masters running world for his remarkable running resume. Alan has completed 35 straight NYCs, with 25 consecutive sub 3s from 19…
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It’s with a heavy heart that we wave au revoir to Paris for the Olympics, but what a thrilling anthology of racing stories it’s written for us. Not only do we debrief all the quintessential moments from the games on Marathon Talk this week, but off the back of THAT men’s 1500m, we speak with the agent for all three medal winners - Irish Mile Record…
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"You just have to be so grateful for the races that go according to plan and where you do set a dream goal and achieve that dream goal. Nobody's written anybody's future—it's not scripted, so you have to make the most of the moments that you have in running. That can be true in any era, at any age, at any stage, and any talent level and accomplishm…
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Watch & Read This Here Looking for a cheat code to get pretty fit without suffering? Welcome to the easiest of the hard workout sessions for runners: the 12x400 interval workout. In this episode, you'll dive into the 12x400 interval workout, a powerful tool for any runner looking to improve their speed, endurance, and overall performance. We break …
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In the latest episode of the Tip of the Law podcast, host Joe Giovannoli, CEO and founder of 9Sail, interviews Charley Mann, founder of Law Firm Alchemy. Charley specializes in coaching law firm owners to maximize their practice’s potential as a business. Their conversation ranges over essential strategies for law firm leaders, focusing on self-man…
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We are right in the thick of Olympic athletics action and on the eve of the Olympic Marathon in Paris. In this week’s episode of Marathon Talk, Martin & Deena take a look at their favourite Olympic moments so far, including the swimming, cycling, triathlons and track races. They review the upcoming marathon’s key contenders and the heartbreaking wi…
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In this episode of the "Tip of the Law" podcast, Joe Giovannoli, founder and CEO of 9Sail, discusses effective legal marketing strategies with Ron Latz from LegalFenix. They talk about setting clear expectations for marketing goals, managing client relationships, and the importance of personal branding for attorneys. Here’s a detailed recap of thei…
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Watch and Read This Episode Here This is the toolkit that you need to understand everything about strength training so you can perform your best. Strength training like most things in life is super confusing and nuanced. Information is everywhere and with so many options and variations depending on each person. It’s no wonder why us runners tend to…
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March 2024 saw barriers broken at the Tokyo Marathon by a man whose dedication to being 1% better every day is utterly inspiring - Chris Nikic. The first to complete the 6 Abbott Majors as an athlete with Down’s Syndrome, his outlook on resilience, progress and motivation should rouse us all, so it’s a joy for Chris and his father Nik to join us on…
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In this episode of the Tip of the Law podcast, host Joe Giovannoli, founder and CEO of 9Sail, talks with Lynn Tellefsen-Stehle, an experienced legal marketer and business development expert. Lynn shares her unique journey in the legal industry and offers practical insights into effective legal marketing and business development strategies. Key Take…
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It was a HUGE honor to host and share this live convo from Grandma's with rockstar Olympian and 2X Grandma's Champ, Dakotah Lindwurm! We discussed Dakotah manifesting her Paris Olympic dream, what it means to be called an Olympian, her buildup for Orlando & plan for Paris, and why Grandma's is so special and will ALWAYS be on her race calendar! Dak…
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In this episode of the Tip of the Law podcast, host Joe Giovannoli, founder and CEO of 9Sail, sits down with Howard Matalon, an employment law expert and partner at OlenderFeldman. Howard shares his journey into employment law, his passion for working with wolfdogs, and practical strategies for effective employee onboarding and engagement. Key Take…
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Curious if you're using the best method for your training? Find out now! At some point or another, you've been told by your training plan, smartwatch or coach to train by effort, pace and or heart rate. But have you stopped to consider if one is better than the other? If so, does the situation matter when you use the one or the other? Is there anot…
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Running is for everyone, and there are few flying the flag higher for that than the incredible Marcus Brown. From 4:55 finishes to Co-Founding his own running club championing diverse backgrounds in the running community, his is a voice worth amplifying as he joins us on this week’s episode of Marathon Talk! Also on the show, Martin recalls his rec…
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It was a HUGE honor to host and share this live convo from Grandma's with marathon LEGEND, Dick Beardsley! We discussed his iconic 1982 'Duel In the Sun' with Alberto Salazar, his co-win in the 1981 inaugural London Marathon with Inge Simonsen, and his 2:09:36 course record at Grandma's in 1981 that stood for a remarkable 33 years! Dick is a great …
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The what, why, when and how of tempo runs so you can beast out on your next race (or just run comfortably faster and get better at it… sometimes) Tempo runs are essential for boosting your race times and daily running routine. They are a critical bridge between aerobic endurance efforts (80% easy running) and high-intensity training (20% hard runni…
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The Marathon Des Sables in the Sahara Desert is among the toughest feats any runner can achieve, and fresh from a Top 50 finish is the remarkable Chris Slater. It’s a privilege and a pleasure to speak with him on this week’s Marathon Talk - his recovery from addiction has led him on an endurance running journey from which we can’t help but be inspi…
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In this episode of Tip of the Law, host Joe Giovannoli, founder & CEO of 9Sail, discusses innovative legal practices with Eric Gros-Dubois, founder of EPGD Business Law in Miami. Eric shares insights into his unique approach to the business of law, emphasizing direct client relationships and innovative billing practices.…
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Watch and Read This Episode Here Ever wondered how the pros manage running injuries? Find out in this episode! Picture this - you’re a runner and you got hurt. You’re searching the internet for quick hacks and fixes so you can keep running but you just get more confused and don’t know who to trust. In this article, we’ll hopefully cut through the s…
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In this episode of the Tip of the Law podcast, host and founder/CEO of 9Sail, Joe Giovannoli, speaks with Jennifer Cona, a leading elder law and estate planning attorney based in New York. As founder of Cona Elder Law, Jennifer shares her professional trajectory in the field, her approach to client service, and the fundamental role of core values i…
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The AbbottWMM MTT Age Group World Championships are nearly upon us - are you ready for the blazing fast field lining up in Sydney? This week’s Marathon Talk is your chance to put that to the test, as Danny Coyle returns to the podcast as quizmaster, bringing us the stellar stats for those toeing the line in September. Elsewhere in the running world…
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In a recent episode of the Tip of the Law podcast, host Joe Giovannoli, founder and CEO of 9Sail, engages in a compelling conversation with Elise Holtzman, former practicing attorney, founder of The Lawyer’s Edge and the Ignite Women's Business Development Accelerator, and host of the Lawyer’s Edge podcast. Elise shares her unique journey into lega…
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Watch & Read it all here Unpopular opinion. I love running in hot weather, extremely hot weather. It feels amazing. I know I'm the minority, but maybe, just maybe, there is some science and merit to training in the heat, the extreme heat versus the extreme cold. Or maybe I'm just crazy. In this episode, my goal is to slightly convince you of whatev…
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In this episode of the Tip of the Law podcast, host Joe Giovannoli, founder and CEO of 9Sail, engages in an insightful conversation with Roy Sexton, Director of Marketing at Clark Hill and past president of the International Legal Marketing Association board. Roy shares his journey into legal marketing, his strategic insights, and the importance of…
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When LA saw the first ever Olympic women’s marathon champion, it was none other than this week’s Marathon Talk guest who crossed the line first - Joan Benoit Samuelson. An icon in the sport and Deena’s greatest mentor, she joins us on the podcast this week to share her remarkable relationship with the sport, and the power of storytelling within it.…
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Watch and read this here. The ultimate showdown: Mike Trees takes on AI to create the perfect training plan! In the world of run training, the battle lines between old-school human coaching and high-tech AI guidance are drawn. While AI brings the big guns with its data-crunching skills, delivering precision and convenience, it can't quite replicate…
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What better time to exhibit the extraordinary mental benefits of running than during Mental Health Awareness Week. That’s been a huge focus for this week’s Marathon Talk guest, Runner’s World’s Mallory Creveling, who’s been working on a must-read piece of work on wellness - ‘The Runner’s World Guide to Mental Health’. Learn more on this week’s podc…
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In this episode of the Tip of the Law podcast, host Joe Giovannoli, CEO and founder of 9Sail, sat down with Jacob Eidinger, a seasoned legal marketing professional and the new Marketing and Communications Manager at Outten & Golden LLP, the largest plaintiff-side employment litigation firm in the U.S. Jacob shared a variety of insights from his car…
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In this episode of the Tip of the Law podcast, Angela Pandolfo Roy, Chief Marketing Officer at Gibbons P.C., joins forces with Joe Giovannoli, founder of 9Sail, to explore cross-selling strategies for law firms. Discover Angela's insights on boosting referrals, understanding client needs, and the importance of strong internal relationships. From se…
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