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We are Doctors of Physical Therapy who specialize in rehabilitation, performance, and injury risk reduction. Our mission is simple: empower YOU to overcome your setbacks and crush your goals using evidence-based education. Check out our YouTube, Blog, Podcast, and Rehab Programs!
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Insights from the greatest minds in sport with Lewis Hatchett. Including guests like Tom Curry, Jofra Archer, Dale Steyn, Will Greenwood, Dr Gordon Flett, Dr Jim Loehr, James Kerr, Dame Tanni-Grey Thompson, Rhiannan Iffland, Eric Cressey, Michael Klim, Michelle Carter, Helen Richardson-Walsh, Dr Mustafa Sarkar, and many more. The game doesn’t get any easier. This podcast will help you play it better.
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Movement Logic: Strong Opinions, Loosely Held

Dr. Sarah Court, PT, DPT and Laurel Beversdorf

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Welcome to the Movement Logic Podcast, with yoga teacher and strength coach Laurel Beversdorf, and physical therapist Dr. Sarah Court. With over 30 years combined experience in the yoga, movement and physical therapy worlds, we believe in strong ideas, loosely held – which means we’re not hyping outdated movement concepts. Instead, we’re here with up-to-date and cutting-edge tools, evidence and ideas to help you as a mover and a teacher. Music: Makani by Scandinavianz & AXM
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If you're wanting to improve and optimise your training, performance, rehabilitation, recovery and health without the BS, this podcast is for you. I blend my experience training elite level athletes with the principles of exercise physiology, anatomy, biomechanics and sports science into bite-sized episodes so that you can understand the way things actually work, without having to sit down for hours on end.
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Welcome to Episode 69 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this episode, Laurel and Sarah are joined by Adam Meakins, also known as The Sports Physio, to discuss his recent co-authored paper, “A modern way to teach and practice manual therapy.” Adam highlights the major issues in current manual therapy practice and education, as detailed in this exten…
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Welcome to Episode 72 of the Movement Logic Podcast! In this inbetweenisode, Laurel poses a thought-provoking question: “Are you trying to spend the least on exercise?” We delve into how we prioritize spending on exercise compared to other essential health needs like diet and sleep and ask, “if investing more in exercise could give us access to bet…
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Chris Hughen sat down with Jon Hodges to discuss hip arthroscopy rehab. We dive into pre-operative considerations, managing patient expectations, early post-op priorities, determining when to progress, objective testing, and much more. Watch the full episode: https://youtu.be/eTMNxW3_Pg4 More about Jon and NevPT: NevPT Website Instagram Updated Hip…
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Geir Jordet holds a PhD. in soccer and psychology and teaches and conducts research on psychology and elite performance at the Norwegian School of Sport Sciences. Expect to learn; the fundamentals to a good penalty taker, are different personalities are suited to penalities, why the style of the kick doesn’t matter, why teams should have enforcers …
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Welcome to Episode 71 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this inbetweenisode, Sarah analyzes a recent NY Times article about exercise and bone density. How much do they get right, and how much do they get wrong? You’ll have to listen to find out! Sign up here to get on the Wait List for our next Bone Density Course in October 2024! It’s the only pla…
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Chris Hughen sat down with Austin Jochum to discuss all things movement, exploration, and play. We dive into the importance of incorporating games and play into training, embracing failure, breaking free from constraints, the power of words, creating a positive environment, and much more. Watch the full episode: https://youtu.be/OfuG7tuP-zI More ab…
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To celebrate 200 episodes of Raising Your Game I break down some of the lessons I've learnt form the past 100 episodes. Expect to learn; how the support/challenge matrix helps build resilience, the difference between failure and mistakes, why not all self talk is created equal, why to strive for excellence and not perfection, why your emotions aren…
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Welcome to Episode 70 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this inbetweenisode, Laurel answers the question, “Do you need a deload week?” In strength training, a deload week is a planned, periodic reduction in training intensity and/or volume. Spoiler: you probably don't need to plan deload weeks into your training, but listen more to find out! Sign u…
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Chris Hughen sat down with Alec Blenis to discuss all things hybrid training. We dive into common mistakes runners and lifters make when introducing hybrid training, challenging misconceptions and fears, lifting and running form, making training fun, and much more. We hope you enjoy! Watch the full episode: https://youtu.be/BaRfhrXZFkM More about A…
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Dr Julie Johnston is a Senior Lecturer in Sport & Exercise Psychology at Nottingham Trent University who also competed in international swimming for Ireland and Northern Ireland for ten years, participating in three Commonwealth Games and three World Championships. Her research focuses on behavioural, social and environmental influences on children…
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Chris Hughen sat down with Quinn Henoch to discuss the concept of “Defining Done” in the context of rehabilitation. We dive into why this is an important topic to broach with patients early on, the value of circling back to this topic throughout the plan of care, recommendations on how to initiate these conversations, and much more. Watch the full …
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Peter Hurley is an elite sailor for the US and portrait photographer who is regarded as the industry leader in headshot photography having shot world wide athletes and celebrities. Expect to learn; how to find your drive, how to avoid complacency, the importance of character and effort in sports, the impact of social media on self-image, embracing …
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Chris Hughen sat down with Jason Tuori and Chris Juneau to discuss all things dynamometer testing. We dive into: the value of dynamometry testing, practical strategies for both testing and training, upper and lower extremity case studies, and much more. Watch the full episode: https://youtu.be/1SxXXujooP0 More about Chris and Jason: Dungeons and Dy…
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Chris Hughen sat down with Adam Meakins to chat about all things manual therapy. We discuss the new paper Adam co-authored, “A modern way to teach and practice manual therapy.” We dive into the value of updating outdated views and beliefs, Adam’s disagreement with parts of this piece, why he does not perform manual therapy, and much more. Watch the…
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Adam Meakins a Specialist Physiotherapist, Sports Scientist, and Strength & Conditioning Coach.Expect to learn why bad posture doesn’t causes back pain, deadlifting won’t get you injured, your weak core doesn’t cause your pain / injury, why muscle imbalances are normal, why how you move or do exercises doesn’t always predict your injury risk, and m…
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Welcome to Episode 68 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this episode, Sarah is joined by soon to be Doctor of Physical Therapy Adam McAtee, founder of Evidence-Based Pilates, a continuing education platform for Pilates instructors. Sarah and Adam discuss long and lean, whether Pilates can contribute to bone density improvement, and why the hundred …
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Chris Hughen sat down with Q Willey to discuss all things hamstring strain rehabilitation. We dive into: initial testing and training priorities, early introduction to pre-run drills, focusing on objective criteria, the importance of high velocity sprinting, and much more. Watch the full episode: https://youtu.be/6FnheswhRcU More about Q: Q’s Insta…
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Patrick Gaudreau is a professor of psychology at the University of Ottawa. Patrick’s work has spanned form achievement, motivation, performance, and perfectionism into the realm of excellencism. Expect to learn, why we have a desire for perfection, why perfectionists make good cheats, what excellencism is, the difference between excellencism and pe…
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Chris Hughen sat down with Josh Zadro to talk about High vs Low Value Care in musculoskeletal rehab and medicine. We dive into a variety of topics including high and low value care in the context of imaging, injections, surgery, and physical therapy. Watch the full episode: https://youtu.be/7dyTQNOHbXA Helpful Papers: Zadro et al, 2020 Overcoming O…
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Ben O'Keeffe is an international rugby referee.Expect to learn: what some misunderstood qualities of rugby referees are, how to deal with criticism, how to not let mistakes stop you from making decisions, how to trust your intuition, why respecting referees is so important, how football's new blue card is a good thing, and much more.Instagram - htt…
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Welcome to Episode 67 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this episode, Laurel and Sarah discuss what current science, versus outdated advice and conventional wisdom, have to say about the causes and solutions for sacroiliac joint (SIJ) pain. Learn what research says about whether or not the SIJ is an inherently robust or fragile structure, whether t…
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Chris Hughen sat down with Diego Hidalgo to discuss the value of skepticism. We dive into a variety of topics including: the challenges and benefits of seeing 60 patients per day, questioning anatomical possibilism, encouraging skepticism in clinicians and students, balancing learning and clinical practice, and much more. Watch the full episode: ht…
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Chris Hughen sat down with Peter O’Sullivan to discuss Elon Musk’s recent tweet on disc replacement surgery. We dive into the current evidence on disc replacements and alternative surgeries for neck and back pain, when a surgical consult might be warranted, primary treatment strategies and recommendations for managing neck and back pain, and much m…
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Adam Meakins has had a big impact on me in the past year with his strong belief in a practical and pragmatic approach. He's passionate about educating on not only the evidence but the effectiveness, or lack of it, for many treatments in the industry. We touch on big topics such as recoverying from herniated disc, spine flexion, SI joint disfunction…
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Welcome to Episode 66 of the Movement Logic podcast! This episode is Part 3 of our Dismantling Long and Lean series. In this episode, Sarah and Laurel discuss the origins of Pilates, Barre, and yoga, and the connections between each movement method’s origins and the concept of a Pilates body, a Barre body, and a yoga body. In this episode you will …
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Chris Hughen sat down with Jim Eubanks to discuss all things lumbar spinal stenosis. We dive into a variety of topics including: differential diagnosis, base rates, when to consider imaging, treatment options, team-based care, and much more. Watch the full episode: https://youtu.be/46DVJQu5n-8 More about Jim: Jim’s Twitter Jim’s ResearchGate --- Fo…
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Joe Welstead is a former commonwealth swimmer turned entrepreneur and creative. Expect to learn, why athletes make good employees in business, how to set unbreakable goals and rules, why others should set your goals for you, how his new brand Oshun simplifies hydration, how to learn to delegate and let go of control, why swimming can be made more e…
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Chris Hughen sat down with Terrance Sgroi to discuss all things Rotator Cuff Repair Rehab. We dive into early rehab priorities, addressing persistent pain and complications, range of motion goals, when and how to introduce isometrics, the importance of going slow and the value of a conservative approach, and much more. Watch the full episode: https…
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Welcome to Episode 65 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this episode, Sarah is delving into the topic of exercising while injured. Should you? Shouldn’t you? How do you know when, how much, and what kind to do? She takes you through a decision making strategy that will make this an easier question to tackle next time you are injured. Sarah also mad…
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Dr Duncan Simpson is Director of Personal Development at IMG Academy, Mental Performance Coach, and a podcaster. IMG Academy is one of the largest and most well regarded sports facilities on the planet, with 1500 athletes coming through every year, it’s a place where some of the very best have made it in college and professional sports in the US an…
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Chris sat down with Jared Powell to discuss all things Rotator Cuff-Related Shoulder Pain. We dive into a variety of topics including: contextual factors, developing a strong therapeutic relationship, acknowledging the uncertainty surrounding exercise therapy, combating misinformation, and much more. Paper’s Discussed: Powell, 2024 Powell, 2023 Mor…
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Chris sat down with Marc Surdyka to discuss the benefits and drawbacks of a test-retest approach, reactive versus proactive approaches to treatment and clinical decision making, setting realistic patient expectations, and much more. Watch the full episode: https://youtu.be/4W7ZMFWqn_0 Paper’s Discussed: Runge et al, 2019 Tuttle, 2009 Natural Histor…
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Welcome to Episode 64 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this episode, Laurel is joined by non-diet kettlebell coach Damali Fraiser to talk about what it means to be an inclusive kettlebell coach. We also discuss why a coach's life experience and skills (and not their body) are their real business card. Finally, we get into silly certification tests…
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Chris sat down with Brady Green to discuss all things Calf Muscle Strain Injuries. We dive into a variety of topics including: a detailed subjective and objective examination, rehabilitation stages and principles, return to sport, injury risk reduction, and much more. Papers: Green at el. 2022 Green and Pizzari, 2017 More about Brady: Brady’s Twitt…
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Jack Green. Jack is a former two-time Olympian, coach, and mentor. Jack has been one of my favourite sources of content on LinkedIn, especially having been an elite athlete, with his insights into mental health, performance, and wellbeing. Expect to learn, the dangers of having potential, why you should have a comfort zone, the value of clarity, ov…
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Chris and Marc sat down with Stu McGill for part two of their discussion. Stu adds more context to a host of topics that were discussed during his podcast recording with Peter Attia. Stu also addresses our disagreements with some of his statements made within that specific episode. We dive into a variety of topics including: Epidemiology, the McGil…
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Welcome to Season 4 and Episode 63 of the Movement Logic podcast! This is part 2 of a much requested series titled Dismantling Long & Lean. In part 2, Laurel and Sarah discuss the phrase "long and lean" from a science-based, as well as sociological and racial perspective. They cover whether or not you can actually make anyone’s body “longer” and/or…
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Chris sat down with Filip Struyf to discuss all things Frozen Shoulder. We dive into a variety of topics including: the most common signs and symptoms of frozen shoulder, identifying specific risk factors, differential diagnosis, prognosis, and treatment options. Watch the full episode: https://youtu.be/xJr04IZO7eY More about Filip: Frozen Shoulder…
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Sam Ward is a professional hockey player for England and Great Britain. Sam is known as one of the most prolific goal scorers in British hockey, as well as having overcome some of the most horrific injuries that threatened his career. No one enjoys being injured. But what if you could turn the setback into an opportunity? How can you stop comparing…
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In this episode, Chris sat down with Stu McGill and Marc Surdyka. Stu provided more context surrounding his previous podcast interview with Peter Attia in addition to our recent episode discussing some of Stu’s claims during his conversation with Peter. We dove into a variety of topics including: deadlifting in older adults, promoting resilience, d…
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Welcome to episode 62 of the Movement Logic Podcast. In this episode, Sarah and Laurel discuss the recent interview of Dr. Stu McGill on Dr. Peter Attia’s podcast, The Drive. This interview has sparked a lot of internet commentary, so we’re breaking it down for you into what we’re calling Make McGill Make Sense. You will learn: Who are McGill and A…
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Chris sat down with Brittany Kim to discuss Complex Regional Pain Syndrome (CRPS). Brittany outlines the diagnostic criteria, prognosis, communication recommendations, treatment pathways, rehabilitation management strategies, and major misconceptions involving CRPS. Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/Adcd9FNJZfY More about Brittany: Brit…
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Chris sat down with Marc Surdyka to discuss Stu McGill’s most recent podcast episode with Peter Attia. We dive into a variety of Stu’s claims throughout that podcast including: deadlifting in older adults, the McGill Big 3, vacuuming disc bulges, non-specific low back pain, and much more. Watch the full episode: https://youtu.be/2uycvTuFHbQ Podcast…
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Richard Cheetham is a senior fellow in Sports Coaching at the University of Winchester. He received an MBE for his contribution to education and community sport in the 2017 New Years honours list Richard is both nationally and internationally recognised within the world of coach education, having worked with the likes of Sarcens, British Fencing, B…
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Welcome to Season 4, Episode 61 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this episode, Laurel explores whether strength training alone suffices for health and longevity. She compares training stress, intensity, and adaptations of strength training versus high intensity interval training (HIIT) versus cardiorespiratory endurance training. Discover how both…
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Chris sat down with Myles Murphy to discuss all things tendons. Myles describes the difference in structure, function, and adaptation of tendons compared to other tissues, tendon rehabilitation, exciting new areas of tendon research, and much more. Watch the full episode: https://youtu.be/qCbGE8d9SnE Papers Discussed: The Tendinopathy Games Changer…
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Martin Offiah is a former professional rugby player who scored 500 tries during his rugby league career, making him the third-highest try scorer of all time. Expect to learn: how you can use storytelling for resilience, how to blend adversity and support for your kids, why you should be setting a good example for your kids, and much more Instagram:…
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Chris sat down with Aaron Kubal to discuss all things neurodynamics. We dive into Aaron’s questioning of the narratives, proposed mechanisms, and research surrounding neurodynamics, differentiating between radicular pain and radiculopathy, alternative strategies for managing nerve pain, the importance of setting realistic expectations, and much mor…
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Welcome to Season 4 and Episode 60 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this much requested first part of a three-part episode series, Laurel and Sarah discuss the phrase long and lean from a historical and sociological perspective. They cover the idealized image of women through art with a historical gaze, then unpick the narrative around becoming lo…
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