449: Jeremy Lent on the Integration of Science and Traditional Wisdom in Life


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Jeremy Lent is an author and speaker whose work investigates the patterns of thought that have led our civilization to its current crisis of sustainability.

Today Jeremy and Eric discuss his new book, The Web of Meaning: Integrating Science and Traditional Wisdom to Find Our Place in the Universe

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In This Interview, Jeremy Lent and I Discuss the Integration of Science and Traditional Wisdom in Life and …

  • His book, The Web of Meaning: Integrating Science and Traditional Wisdom to Find Our Place in the Universe
  • The difference between want and intention
  • Understanding the power of kindness toward the “negative” parts of us
  • His character, “Uncle Bob,” who represents the dominant worldview
  • Worldview is the lens through which we see and make sense of everything
  • How humans pattern meaning into the world based on what our culture tells us
  • Cultural mindfulness frees us to open up to other possibilities
  • The idea that humans are selfish or have a “selfish gene” and how science refutes this
  • The self-organization of life: the different parts make the whole and the whole relates to the different parts
  • Human nature and how cooperation, not competition has led to the abundance of life on earth
  • Differences between Eastern and Western traditional beliefs in regard to human nature
  • The negative aspects of humans’ ability to cooperate
  • The Taoist notion of Wu-Wei (effortless action) and Yu-Wei (purposive action)
  • Integrating two elements of human consciousness; conceptual (left brain) and animate (right brain)
  • The most important relationship in life is the “I’ and the “self”
  • Chi is translated to matter and energy that make up the universe
  • Li is how Chi is organized
  • How the deep spiritual traditions from the past add richness to what modern science reveals
  • The realization that deep human intuitions are our internal validation of what science tells us about how the universe really is
  • Fractals and the holarchy or structure of life’s interconnectedness

Jeremy Lent Links:

Jeremy’s Website

Jeremy’s Blog



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